SI piece on Peyton Manning and cold weather

[Nipsey]

ANOTHER Excerpt:

Manning’s teams had lost seven of the 10 regular-season and postseason games in which the temperature was 32 degrees or colder. He had thrown 12 interceptions in those games to 11 touchdowns, his completion percentage was 59.4 in those games.


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[mcro_rave_2001]

ANOTHER Excerpt:

Manning’s teams had lost seven of the 10 regular-season and postseason games in which the temperature was 32 degrees or colder. He had thrown 12 interceptions in those games to 11 touchdowns, his completion percentage was 59.4 in those games.


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30% winning percentage is GOAT territory.

 

[TDs3nOut]

ANOTHER Excerpt:

Manning’s teams had lost seven of the 10 regular-season and postseason games in which the temperature was 32 degrees or colder. He had thrown 12 interceptions in those games to 11 touchdowns, his completion percentage was 59.4 in those games.


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I simply posted an article that described a game in which Peyton played very well in cold weather. Critics of Manning sometimes claim that he's not capable of doing that. Not really sure how the thread fails.

 

[Broncos6482]

You know, this whole Peyton Manning can't play in the cold narrative reminds me a lot of the narrative before the Broncos played the Colts in the playoffs a few years ago (I think it was 2003). Anyway, the story then was that Peyton couldn't get it done in the playoffs. He hadn't won a playoff game at that point. So going into that game I was feeling pretty good that the Broncos would win.

What happened was that Manning and the Colts set out to destroy that theory. They absolutely obliterated us, I think it was 41-10.

Now he's told his critics that they can stick the can't play when it's cold story where the sun don't shine. But I hope people keep harping on it. It was pretty clear to me on Sunday that the Broncos were out to prove that they could throw it all over the field, cold weather be damned. Even though they ran the ball with ease, Manning put up the most pass attempts of his career. They were making a point. And if people keep saying that he can't play when it's cold, can't win in the playoffs, etc., well if that kind of talk will motivate him into playing like he did on Sunday, by all means keep harping on it.

 

[Broncos6482]

30% winning percentage is GOAT territory.

At least two of those losses he barely played.

 

[HammerDown]

Like I've said 100 times, give Peyton half the talent Brady had for a decade and there would have been a dynasty in Indy. Those receivers with that OL and stifling D? Dynasty!

 

[Broncos6482]

Here's one more excerpt from the article.

The only Broncos who seemed to be affected by the weather were Manning’s receivers, whose seven drops accounted for a decent percentage of his 20 incompletions.

Now I certainly can't remember, but isn't it possible that some of Manning's cold weather woes were team issues, and not just Manning issues? Because on Sunday Manning looked a lot better than his receivers did at times. So poor play by his teammates in the cold could also account for some of his cold weather struggles.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

Like I've said 100 times, give Peyton half the talent Brady had for a decade and there would have been a dynasty in Indy. Those receivers with that OL and stifling D? Dynasty!

Absolutely agree

Manning played without a D or a Coach in his time in Indy

 

[molsaniceman]

Absolutely agree

Manning played without a D or a Coach in his time in Indy

If the colts had no D how did they stop the other team from scoring

 

[redseat]

Like I've said 100 times, give Peyton half the talent Brady had for a decade and there would have been a dynasty in Indy. Those receivers with that OL and stifling D? Dynasty!

SO Brady had better talent than Manning now? Really?

 

[redseat]

Also I bring this up in every thread "comparing these two" WHY are people using the Super Bowl wins, appearances in regards to who is better... Thats just a stupid argument period!

 

[TDs3nOut]

Also I bring this up in every thread "comparing these two" WHY are people using the Super Bowl wins, appearances in regards to who is better... Thats just a stupid argument period!

Agreed. And when I posted the article I wasn't trying to start another Brady v. Manning thread. Rather, I just think it's worth noting when Manning does play well in the cold that he's capable of doing so, since a lot of people say he's not. Same with the playoffs.

 

[redseat]

Agreed. And when I posted the article I wasn't trying to start another Brady v. Manning thread. Rather, I just think it's worth noting when Manning does play well in the cold that he's capable of doing so, since a lot of people say he's not. Same with the playoffs.

He has the capability to play well in cold weather games (since he is extremely talented) but I think people are just going by the overwhelming number of games he has been so so in those types of games. People just like to keep this "debate" going.... Bottom line both are GREAT QBs... Can't we just leave it at that?

 

[rmilia1]

Im torn on the " Manning struggles in cold weather" thought. Peyton is in fact 10-11 in games played where the weather was under 40 degrees. That said all but 2 of those games were road games so its natural to assume its tougher to win on the road than at home. He is actually improving in this area too as in his last 8 games he is completing 72% of his passes, has thrown 17 TD/10 INT, has a QB rating of 105.5 and his teams are scoring 26.5 ppg which is generally good enough to win. I keep going back to the fact that MOST of these are road games though and it sways me to believe that while he certainly isnt as good in bad weather ( who is BTW ) he may be getting unfairly judged on games that are FAR tougher to win than a regular home game. Critics will always point out the record in said games without looking at the circumstances which for the most part have been road/playoff games. Always tough to win those.

 

[Dude]

Agreed. And when I posted the article I wasn't trying to start another Brady v. Manning thread. Rather, I just think it's worth noting when Manning does play well in the cold that he's capable of doing so, since a lot of people say he's not. Same with the playoffs.

Good read. It's insane how some fans have the Brady-Manning debate so ingrained in their head that they can't talk about anything else. Those are some pretty impressive stats, kudos to Peyton from a die-hard Pats fan. If Denver makes it to the big game and the weather is nasty, he will have a golden opportunity to bury the cold-weather BS for good.

 

[Nooone]

Here's one more excerpt from the article.



Now I certainly can't remember, but isn't it possible that some of Manning's cold weather woes were team issues, and not just Manning issues? Because on Sunday Manning looked a lot better than his receivers did at times. So poor play by his teammates in the cold could also account for some of his cold weather struggles.

As someone who watched almost all the colts games. YES. the receivers did and awful job in the cold. and EDGE had a tendency to be unproductive in cold weather games

 

[Nooone]

Im torn on the " Manning struggles in cold weather" thought. Peyton is in fact 10-11 in games played where the weather was under 40 degrees. That said all but 2 of those games were road games so its natural to assume its tougher to win on the road than at home. He is actually improving in this area too as in his last 8 games he is completing 72% of his passes, has thrown 17 TD/10 INT, has a QB rating of 105.5 and his teams are scoring 26.5 ppg which is generally good enough to win. I keep going back to the fact that MOST of these are road games though and it sways me to believe that while he certainly isnt as good in bad weather ( who is BTW ) he may be getting unfairly judged on games that are FAR tougher to win than a regular home game. Critics will always point out the record in said games without looking at the circumstances which for the most part have been road/playoff games. Always tough to win those.

Exactly.... I've been saying for a long time now, peyton struggled EARLY in his career with cold weather. Two of his losses are in games he started but didn't finish because he was "resting" (fuck you Polian). This Peyton can't play in the cold narrative is a load of crap that people spew without actually looking into the details. Last year Peyton was a fluky hail mary from winning a cold weather game against the team that won the superbowl. If Rahim Moore has half a brain that is an easy win.

 

[depraved]

This is one of my favorite arguments, especially living in Indiana. Brady and Manning are both great QB's, no one will debate that. They have done some amazing things and put up crazy numbers, and damn near defined this era of football as the Manning-Brady era. However, they are both good in their own ways and they both suck in their own ways.

I'd take Manning any day over anyone in the regular season. no doubt about it. I'd be a little nervous about how well he is going to do on cold, rainy and windy days, but I feel like he could get it done.

However, come playoff time I'm benching Manning for Brady. Regardless of the rings argument I want the best player on the field given the current conditions, which may include, high pressure situations throughout the game, and unattainable expectations in the last 2 minutes of a close game. Cold games, snowy games, and in general if the weather sucks, I'm going with Brady.

With Manning have to come out and try to "prove" something to the media/fans that is he just as good in snow, cold and ice, is a little worrisome. He needs to ignore what people say and work on the problem not just cast it off and say "no I'm great always." He did that in Indy by always blaming others for his mistakes. If he admit is then his players can rally around his weakness. Its not a new idea, some people are just too stuck up to admit they may have a problem. Sadly for him this will probably come back to bit him in the ass again in the playoffs. Also to brag so much after beating the titans, you'd think manning just won the Superbowl in the arctic tundra with frost bitten hands.

 

[wingsauce7]

In the last 2 "cold weather" losses suffered by the Broncos, the Manning led offense scored 38 and 31 points. Hard to blame these 2 losses on Peyton Manning.

 

[TDs3nOut]

In the last 2 "cold weather" losses suffered by the Broncos, the Manning led offense scored 38 and 31 points. Hard to blame these 2 losses on Peyton Manning.

Definitely a fair point, in my opinion, and it exemplifies why I dislike attributing too much credit or blame to QBs for team wins or losses. Still, Manning did make some mistakes in both those losses, so those intent on undermining him by saying he can't play well in cold weather will selectively dissect his performances in those games.