Sherman vs. Peterson

[gowazzu02]

Link ??

Jason la confora tweeted it recently. Google it do your own research loll

 

[CaptainStubing]

Well, "best player at a certain position" debates in football never work. Football is too much of a team game, unlike basketball or baseball. Every player plays in different schemes, has different responsibilities, and is affected greatly by the team around him. Its an impossible discussion.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Absolute joke that Timmons isn't on the ILB list...

 

[Naughtymax]

Interestingly enough, Pro Football Reference lists Sherman as tied for third overall in 2012 and first overall this year with Peyton Manning in Approximate Value (comparing all positions).


PFF appears to have shit the bed in its analysis. Peterson is also very, very good, but Honey Badger over Sherman makes PFF a joke and it's embarrassing that anyone who has seen a football before would post it.

 

[Wolvie]

Hawks have 3 of the top OLBs? And the highest ranked one is our backup at #5 best OLB in the league??

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

At least they got Robert Quinn right.

 

[WizardHawk]

The problem with evaluating CB's on stats alone is the oddity of some of those. Giving credit for number of PD's doesn't allow those who draw the respect of QB's to not throw at them as much to be listed. Sherman leads the league in the INT/passes thrown at ratio by a country mile, but that alone isn't all a CB is required to do.

I'm fine with simply saying Revis, Peterson, Sheman, and even Bailey are all great at doing what their team asks of them for the roles they set for them and say they are all playing at a high enough level to not need to define one as the best. I don't think QB's really take any of them lightly.

 

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ESPN:

Patrick Peterson puts on show at Pro Bowl
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Arizona Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson put on a Prime Time-esque performance in Sunday's Pro Bowl... He allowed just one completion for a yard...He had an interception (picked off a pass intended for Chicago's Brandon Marshall), two passes defended and a tackle. ... Peterson is becoming the current-day (Deion) Sanders.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Those rankings are a joke really?

Von Miller is graded as the best olb this year??? Bruce Irvin is a top 10 olb????? DRC and Grimes better than Sherman?

LOL agreed. Grimes was good as a Falcon, but #2? Seriously. Revis has taken a step back. Not even in the top 5.

 

[WizardHawk]

ESPN:

Patrick Peterson puts on show at Pro Bowl
...
Arizona Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson put on a Prime Time-esque performance in Sunday's Pro Bowl... He allowed just one completion for a yard...He had an interception (picked off a pass intended for Chicago's Brandon Marshall), two passes defended and a tackle. ... Peterson is becoming the current-day (Deion) Sanders.

I'm not sure that anything done in the pro bowl counts as any type of great play by anyone. None of the players give a shit and expecting timing between QB's and receivers they don't normally play with is nuts. This is why most people want to see that game abolished. It really doesn't mean a thing. How can you take an all-star game seriously when no players from the top two teams in football are playing in it?

Peterson is awesome, but using the pro bowl as proof of his status?

 

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I'm not sure that anything done in the pro bowl counts as any type of great play by anyone. None of the players give a shit and expecting timing between QB's and receivers they don't normally play with is nuts. This is why most people want to see that game abolished. It really doesn't mean a thing. How can you take an all-star game seriously when no players from the top two teams in football are playing in it?

Peterson is awesome, but using the pro bowl as proof of his status?

team that won the Pro Bowl won $27,000 per player. teammates were going after teammate like brother on brother civil war stuff (most notably Derrick Johnson's hit on teammate Jamaal Charles and T.J. Ward's hit on teammate Josh Gordon). there were a lot of great plays.

 

[ram29jackson]

Well, "best player at a certain position" debates in football never work. Football is too much of a team game, unlike basketball or baseball. Every player plays in different schemes, has different responsibilities, and is affected greatly by the team around him. Its an impossible discussion.

Deion Sanders > everyone else on earth

 

[WizardHawk]

team that won the Pro Bowl won $27,000 per player. teammates were going after teammate like brother on brother civil war stuff (most notably Derrick Johnson's hit on teammate Jamaal Charles and T.J. Ward's hit on teammate Josh Gordon). there were a lot of great plays.

I watched pieces of it and saw several interceptions going both ways and the receivers kind of gave up and didn't go for them. There were a few good tackles, but to say there was anything resembling pro football passing and pass defense says you didn't watch the game.

 

[STBR 27]

I watched pieces of it and saw several interceptions going both ways and the receivers kind of gave up and didn't go for them. There were a few good tackles, but to say there was anything resembling pro football passing and pass defense says you didn't watch the game.

It looked to me like all the receivers didn't want to even be there, not sure exactly what the problem was? Overall, once again the game was

 

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I watched pieces of it and saw several interceptions going both ways and the receivers kind of gave up and didn't go for them. There were a few good tackles, but to say there was anything resembling pro football passing and pass defense says you didn't watch the game.

One could just as easily convince themselves that every Sherman INT they saw was because the receiver kind of gave up and anybody who says otherwise didn't watch. A lot of people were saying Crabtree messed up by not stopping and going up for the ball Sherman got his hand on at the end of the NFC CG

 

[WizardHawk]

One could just as easily convince themselves that every Sherman INT they saw was because the receiver kind of gave up and anybody who says otherwise didn't watch. A lot of people were saying Crabtree messed up by not stopping and going up for the ball Sherman got his hand on at the end of the NFC CG

Are you going to seriously tell us that receivers giving up in an exhibition game is the same as players doing so in a regular season game? Really?

In pro bowls none of the receivers has much time with each of the QB's that plays in the game. They don't know their breaks and tenancies in routes. That leaves most timing routes either suspect to major failure or just off the playbook. It has a greater impact on the passing game than the defense.

You just cannot seriously be telling anyone that performance in a pro bowl means anything at all. But to compare it to a regular season game makes me wonder what your history with the sport is.

 

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Are you going to seriously tell us that receivers giving up in an exhibition game is the same as players doing so in a regular season game? Really?

In pro bowls none of the receivers has much time with each of the QB's that plays in the game. They don't know their breaks and tenancies in routes. That leaves most timing routes either suspect to major failure or just off the playbook. It has a greater impact on the passing game than the defense.

You just cannot seriously be telling anyone that performance in a pro bowl means anything at all. But to compare it to a regular season game makes me wonder what your history with the sport is.

??? The Pro Bowl QBs threw for a combined 493 passing yards Of that, only 1 yard was given up by Patrick Peterson. Trying to denigrate Peterson's Pro Bowl performance just makes you come across as a petty and insecure fan of Sherman who can't take any other CB sharing any limelight

 

[Podunkparte]

??? The Pro Bowl QBs threw for a combined 493 passing yards Of that, only 1 yard was given up by Patrick Peterson. Trying to denigrate Peterson's Pro Bowl performance just makes you come across as a petty and insecure fan of Sherman who can't take any other CB sharing any limelight

It was the Pro Bowl. Trying to garner any statistics from a Pro Bowl is certifiably insane. Maybe you should stick to the endless picture threads.

 

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It was the Pro Bowl. Trying to garner any statistics from a Pro Bowl is certifiably insane. Maybe you should stick to the endless picture threads.

at least give Peterson props for playing against top WRs that Sherman didn't play against this season.

the WRs that Peterson's team went up against in the Pro Bowl:
WR Josh Gordon (1,646 yds receiving this season) -- Sherman didn't even face him this season
WR Alshon Jeffery (1,421 yds receiving this season) -- Sherman didn't even face him this season
WR Brandon Marshall (1,295 yds receiving this season) -- Sherman didn't even face him this season
WR Larry Fitzgerald (954 yds receiving this season)

 

[WizardHawk]

ok, I don't know why you are :bj: Peterson, but I said I think there are 3-4 CB's that can all claim to be at the top of their game and included him. I'm not obsessed with naming Sherman #1. I really don't care about ranks. As long as he does what the team needs him to do in his role what more can one ask?

I'm just laughing at you HARD for taking anything in a pro bowl seriously. Say anything you want about the rest of his season when it actually counts. There were 6 INT's thrown in that game and yet you want to believe that's because Peterson is the second coming of christ, not because the game was a joke. Foles was the only QB in the game (out of 6) that didn't throw a pick and Peterson only had one of them. Just look at the facts and stop being a tool.