Shefter reporting

[shopson67]

You can't see how Gurley's prime years are being wasted there? I thought it was a good pick for them at the time. I thought it would help them develop an offensive identity, but they didn't have the rest in place. It also wasn't at 4, but the point still stands.

I'm not sure why you want me to name a player at 4. I've been around enough draft seasons now to know that #4 in early January isn't the same as #4 in late April. My point was about the RB position in general, not Cook specifically. Drafting a RB can add something, but if there is no where to run and the defense is getting blown out then it doesn't actually help the team. And they have short shelf lives so the guy ends up getting wasted.

If I were the Jags I would look to add the best defender at 4, and if there isn't one there that fits (after I've decided on what defensive front I'm going to run) I'd go for the top LT.

Nobody's holding you to a mocked pick in January lol. I guess you'd rather criticize than offer up a pick; so be it.

Of course, the Rams' offensive scheme as a whole was a joke last year. The lack of any downfield passing attack left 8 guys in the box vs Gurley behind a porous OL. The Rams offensive line is an issue. They drafted multiple options in the 2015 draft, many of whom performed decently in 2015. All regressed in 2016. Gotta think a coaching change will help with that. Players were drafted for a power blocking scheme and for some reason were being switched to a zone scheme that they didn't fit. Robinson likely gets moved inside, so they will likely need a LT in free agency or the draft, and also need an upgrade at C. G and RT should be well covered, and they may have an in-house option at LT.

Wasting Gurley? This past year was a waste, sure. However, moving forward I expect marked improvement.

 

[eaglesnut]

Nobody's holding you to a mocked pick in January lol. I guess you'd rather criticize than offer up a pick; so be it.

I don't care about that. I just don't get what it adds to the discussion. I'm talking about positions. If there isn't a player talented enough to be drafted at the greatest position of need then you move to the next one. I'm pretty sure there will end up being at least one defensive player or Olineman that shows he is talented enough to go #4. The position of RB would only improve the team in a couple situations and the Jags aren't in that situation.

Of course, the Rams' offensive scheme as a whole was a joke last year. The lack of any downfield passing attack left 8 guys in the box vs Gurley behind a porous OL. The Rams offensive line is an issue. They drafted multiple options in the 2015 draft, many of whom performed decently in 2015. All regressed in 2016. Gotta think a coaching change will help with that. Players were drafted for a power blocking scheme and for some reason were being switched to a zone scheme that they didn't fit. Robinson likely gets moved inside, so they will likely need a LT in free agency or the draft, and also need an upgrade at C. G and RT should be well covered, and they may have an in-house option at LT.

Wasting Gurley? This past year was a waste, sure. However, moving forward I expect marked improvement.

And now Gurley is 22 with 500 carries already on him. Wouldn't it have been better to add a RB after the line was built so you could maximize the value he offers? In comparison, Zeke got to flourish from day one.

 

[shopson67]

I don't care about that. I just don't get what it adds to the discussion. I'm talking about positions. If there isn't a player talented enough to be drafted at the greatest position of need then you move to the next one. I'm pretty sure there will end up being at least one defensive player or Olineman that shows he is talented enough to go #4. The position of RB would only improve the team in a couple situations and the Jags aren't in that situation.

Teams fall into chasing need in the draft at their own peril. Free agency is for need, the draft is for building overall talent level, BPA (within reason of course).

And now Gurley is 22 with 500 carries already on him. Wouldn't it have been better to add a RB after the line was built so you could maximize the value he offers? In comparison, Zeke got to flourish from day one.

Zeke is the rare case; it almost never works out that way.

 

[Red_Chaos]

I don't care about that. I just don't get what it adds to the discussion. I'm talking about positions. If there isn't a player talented enough to be drafted at the greatest position of need then you move to the next one. I'm pretty sure there will end up being at least one defensive player or Olineman that shows he is talented enough to go #4. The position of RB would only improve the team in a couple situations and the Jags aren't in that situation.



And now Gurley is 22 with 500 carries already on him. Wouldn't it have been better to add a RB after the line was built so you could maximize the value he offers? In comparison, Zeke got to flourish from day one.

Gurley had a great rookie year with a line that i thought would do crap because of all the young guys we drafted that year on the oline -minus safford and robinson. Then when i think the line would do better because of all the practice and game reps they got, they shit on themselves and Gurley couldnt do anything.

 

[eaglesnut]

Teams fall into chasing need in the draft at their own peril. Free agency is for need, the draft is for building overall talent level, BPA (within reason of course).



Zeke is the rare case; it almost never works out that way.

Usually teams with great Olines don't end up in the top 5 of the draft. Zeke isn't the rare case, the Cowboys were the rare case. When you are that bad a RB doesn't really help you. Let me simplify this discussion, if the Jags drafted Zeke it wouldn't have made them much better and his best youthful years would be wasted fighting for yards behind the line of scrimmage like Gurley.