screw the players

[nj_cup]

Shows how much I've been following this. But listening to xm nhl home ice which btw is a must for hockey fans. i didn't realize the players havemt sent a counter offer to the nhl after their initial offer a month ago? Then fher has the balls to call out tje owners saying we should start the season and negotiate in good faith while playing?

After a month and no counter offer?


Also the more players that go there means we arent startimg for a long time. People wouldn't be leaving and signing deals going there this week if they expected to be playing in two weeks

 

[MCDevils]

It's been this way the whole process. The players want to keep making the exact same amount of money, and force the 6-7 teams that actually make a decent profit to support everyone else.

But yes, it's kind of a lot of bull, especially Barch who was trying to lament how he's working class and shit making $600K, I mean in three seasons, he'll make more than the average US citizen will make in their entire lifetime.

 

[MCDevils]

My Proposal to immediately fix as many things as possible:

1. All current salaries stay the same
2. Revenue (57% now) goes to 57 (This year), 54, 52, 50, 50, 50 (6 year deal) (Cap will go down accordingly.
3. Teams making $10M+ in PROFIT will share 10% of profits over $10M. This will get another 2.5M per team not included.
4. Raise minimum salary to $800K, give back to players.
5. Teams making $20M+ do not get money from NBC deal (yes, I know they're the reason the NHL got it). Should add $6M to each team. (8.5M if including new revenue sharing).
6. Lower cap floor by $5M immediately, however, it does not go down again unless salary cap ceiling drops enough to equal current gap.

Closing summary: This would immediately help floor teams recover $14M in revenue IMMEDIATELY. It would help teams like the Devils as well. Helps everybody. Except Toronto, Montreal, and the NYR.

 

[MCDevils]

One final note. Fehr has been planning and prepping the players for this for over a year. I'm sure he told them to save, I'm sure he told them to go nuts on twitter, and frankly, people are listening to the players about how "the man" is screwing them over. If you want to believe the Forbes ratings, look how many teams aren't making money right now. I don't care if revenue went up by 50% since the last lockout, players salaries went up by way more, closer to 65%

Fehr says let the owners grow their way out, well guess what nashville, NJ, Phoenix, Columbus, Carolina, Dallas, SJ, WAS, NYI, STL, Colorado, Florida, Tampa, are already leveraged to the MAX.

MOST IMPORTANT THING: Remember how the cap went up by like 5M every year? Well that was the players enacting a 5% inflation clause that forced the cap up even if it wasn't supposed to be going up. AND THE CAP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTLY TIED TO REVENUES>

 

[nj_cup]

Wow mc I'm turned on!

 

[Nasty_Magician]

My Proposal to immediately fix as many things as possible:

1. All current salaries stay the same
2. Revenue (57% now) goes to 57 (This year), 54, 52, 50, 50, 50 (6 year deal) (Cap will go down accordingly.
3. Teams making $10M+ in PROFIT will share 10% of profits over $10M. This will get another 2.5M per team not included.
4. Raise minimum salary to $800K, give back to players.
5. Teams making $20M+ do not get money from NBC deal (yes, I know they're the reason the NHL got it). Should add $6M to each team. (8.5M if including new revenue sharing).
6. Lower cap floor by $5M immediately, however, it does not go down again unless salary cap ceiling drops enough to equal current gap.

Closing summary: This would immediately help floor teams recover $14M in revenue IMMEDIATELY. It would help teams like the Devils as well. Helps everybody. Except Toronto, Montreal, and the NYR.

These two would be pretty tough to sell. 10% is a bit high, but I like the thought behind it. As for the most profitable teams not getting any NBC money, I don't think teams should be punished for being successful. The bulk of teams that are making $20+ Million in profits are the ones playing on NBC anyway so that would be a very tough selling point.

Number 2 is the key. I've seen it thrown out there a bunch lately and as far as I can tell it's not even a talking point in the CBA meetings. It makes so much sense and everybody gets what they want, just not immediately.

 

[MCDevils]

These two would be pretty tough to sell. 10% is a bit high, but I like the thought behind it. As for the most profitable teams not getting any NBC money, I don't think teams should be punished for being successful. The bulk of teams that are making $20+ Million in profits are the ones playing on NBC anyway so that would be a very tough selling point.

Number 2 is the key. I've seen it thrown out there a bunch lately and as far as I can tell it's not even a talking point in the CBA meetings. It makes so much sense and everybody gets what they want, just not immediately.

It's not as much as you would think RE the NBC teams.

6 teams would be doing the revenue sharing.

1. Toronto: $82M $8.2M
2. Montreal: $48M --> 4.8M
3. Rangers: 41.5M --> 4.1M
4. Vancouver: 23.5M --> 2.35M
5. Edmonton: 17.3M --> 1.73M
6. Detroit 16.3M --> 1.63M

I mean that's essentially half of Wade Redden's AHL salary. The rangers can afford it. Also, there's only 2 American teams on that list, so although they're heavy hitters for NBC, they're not Buffalo (does staggering ratings apparently) Boston, Chicago, Pitt, etc, etc.

Anyway, the NBC thing isn't all that crazy huge. Right now each team should be seeing 1/30th of $200M which is $6.66M each. With my plan that number would only go to 1/24th $8.33M. Not the biggest of jumps.

Now only the bottom 10 teams get that extra revenue which is equal to about 2.2M per team (The 10% from above). If you combine that money with 6.66M in NBC $ you get $9M in extra money per team immediately.

That gets every single team besides CBJ and Phoenix into the black immediately based on Forbes operating incomes last season.

Frankly, If you get right down to it, I'm not sure if 10% is even enough.

Maybe you do 10% on the teams making over $10M and then 15% on teams making over $20M.

 

[MCDevils]

Also, the NHL needs to do some serious policing of teams "revenue" our NJD had a revenue of $100M last season, somehow the Flyers were only at $111M and Pitt was at $110M. That sounds like some creative accounting to me. That's for sure.

Or somehow the Winnipeg Jets which have sold out every game for the next 5 years only brought in 71M in revenue whereas the CBJ had 80M. Something seems off there.

Philly is averaging 107.4% sellouts. yeah One hundred and seven percent.

That's 20,433 seats sold per game.

5,000 more sold per game than NJ.

If you assume the average price of a ticket is $60

That should be an additional 12.3M all by itself, and that assumes that the average ticket price is the same. I'm sure the Flyers is higher than Devils tickets.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

The numbers don't seem too staggering for the teams giving up the money, however I'm not sure owners are going to be in favor of giving up money for no reason. It's one thing if there was a luxury tax and teams had to cough up more money because they went over a certain salary threshold. It's quite another thing to ask owners to give up money simply because they are more successful than others.

 

[DevFan60]

Sounds like socialism: take up from rich and give it to poor.

 

[nj_cup]

I agree they would need a reason to give up the money. But that's the last thing the nhl needs is teams like yankees sox driving up prices. Also they would need to make sure the bottom teams spend the money for thr better of their teams unlike the royals and pirates

 

[rp2five]

Good posts. I see all over internet everybody is bashing the owners and Bettman while siding with the players. Bettman works for the owners, so not sure why he's to blame for the lockout. Yes, the owners should be blamed because yes they dug themselves into the mess.
But in the end, the owners will win, players will cave in because their fake union will start to crack.
Fehr and the players are idiots for not even submitting a counter offer. I blame them here more. They will not win!

Also yea read emotional piece by Barch. He must have been drunk I think.
Working class.
600k for playing a game for a living. Poor bastard.
I would trade for his job in a split second.

 

[MCDevils]

Sounds like socialism: take up from rich and give it to poor.

All sports are a variation of socialist, you can't play yourself.

 

[MCDevils]

The numbers don't seem too staggering for the teams giving up the money, however I'm not sure owners are going to be in favor of giving up money for no reason. It's one thing if there was a luxury tax and teams had to cough up more money because they went over a certain salary threshold. It's quite another thing to ask owners to give up money simply because they are more successful than others.

If the owners had their way they they would get their 24% rollback and have no revenue sharing. This is BY FAR THE BEST OPTION FOR THE TEAMS. The revenue sharing is actually a giveback. Because it let's the league slowly scale down to 50/50.

My entire plan revolves around keeping current player salaries where they are. Otherwise we're going to see WAY WAY more missed time. Frankly, the league's GMs signed these guys to contracts, and if the players want to fight to keep the contracts they earned I'm fine with that.

 

[MCDevils]

Also a LUXURY TAX is the worst thing that could possibly happen to this league. Look how amazing the current state of competition is. Every single team in the league made the playoffs since the last lockout except the one making the most money.

You had teams go from lottery pick to SCF the next year two different times. Flyers (the year they drafted JVR) and Devils (year after Larsson). You have a system in place where even the shittiest team, (Edmonton, Pens from 04-05, Hawks before they won the cup) can be competent and recover and compete legitimately within only a few years. Everything is working correctly regarding competition for a healthy league. Look how shitty the NBA is where everyone can predict the playoffs correctly 95% of the time before they even start.

How many people thought LA would go 16-3 in the playoffs?

Hell, how many people thought our Devils would be able to beat the flyers and Rangers?

 

[MCDevils]

If you want to get even angrier at the players, Darren Dreger from TSN whose word is second only to Bob MacKenzie in terms of clout in the NHL said that the players are currently sitting on an offer because they're concerned the timing will make them appear weak.

Darren Dreger said on TSN he believes NHLPA working on a proposal, but the question now is the timing on presenting it. Suggests concern is on presenting a proposal too early could be seen as a "sign of weakness".

 

[MCDevils]

One other thing, regarding it being the owners fault, I disagree a little:

1. I challenge anyone to make a thousand page document governing all aspects of a major sports league that will not eventually have some loop holes exposed and abused.

2. The owners in their wildest dreams couldn't have hoped for a 3.2B revenue at the end of this thing.

3. The CBA worked initially because revenue wasn't as high. TOTAL revenue for the league going up DOES NOT affect all teams the same.

4. RE Gm's giving away huge contracts, it's a GM's job to use everything in their power to get a player signed. Can you imagine if Lou said that he didn't want to sign Parise because he didn't believe that a player should be allowed to front load a contract, and he wouldn't sign him to one because of the sake of the league and the spirit of the CBA? We'd be killing him on this board.

 

[nj_cup]

Lol rp I didn't even know barch was on our team! How does he have a Twitter account still? First cam and now this guy? Can Lou lay off the goons!

But your right he's playing a sport and getting paid well to do it. He's mentioning broken bones amd all that? He knew full well what his role would be when he signed up to play hockey.


Mc I do agree a lux tax is bad but I kinda think some parity is bad too. Who really cares if Edmonton and Winnipeg have a shot at the cup? I'm a diehard hockey fan and that doesn't excite me one bit!

 

[DevilishWon]

I am getting a little worried in that I have been agreeing with cup occasionally lately.

I'll chime in with a WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT BARCH THINKS, that's all I got.

 

[MCDevils]

Lol rp I didn't even know barch was on our team! How does he have a Twitter account still? First cam and now this guy? Can Lou lay off the goons!

But your right he's playing a sport and getting paid well to do it. He's mentioning broken bones amd all that? He knew full well what his role would be when he signed up to play hockey.


Mc I do agree a lux tax is bad but I kinda think some parity is bad too. Who really cares if Edmonton and Winnipeg have a shot at the cup? I'm a diehard hockey fan and that doesn't excite me one bit!

Folks in Edmonton probably don't care if the Devils have a shot at the cup.