Schneider feeling the heat?

[WizardHawk]

Are people actually arguing that Lock was a better option than Geno?

FFS Geno has issues and I doubt we have any fans that wouldn't want an upgrade at QB, but Drew Lock?

Geno isn't a franchise QB, but he's better than the other options available to us right now. Lots of teams are in need of QB upgrades. None were beating the door down to grab Lock over what they have lol.

If they fixed the issues on the line they would be a playoff contender even with him.

Schneider needs to fix the line or the team needs to find a GM who can. Claiming replacing Geno is the key to improving the team is horribly short sighted.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Well we all get being unhappy with Geno with his boneheaded interceptions, fumbles, taking to long while trying to change the play, but makes no sense to claim some other shrub is the answer (Lock is a shrub). Seahawks have to get their offensive line to play at least on a functional level with the players on the roster. A big challenge, maybe the latest moves lead to improvement. I approve that they are trying to do what they can to make it work and not just accepting poor play from the OL.
Fixing the OL is key to success here, not replacing Geno (this season), firing coaches or any other ideas thrown out in these discussions.

 

[Screamin12th]

rose colored glasses from sea to shining sea.

 

[JMR]

Are people actually arguing that Lock was a better option than Geno?

I know I'm not. I am just saying that Lock not having a good game for shitshow NYG the other day doesn't prove much. I also don't think he got much of an opportunity in Seattle. He supposedly had a chance to win a QB competition here in 2022 but got hurt in pre-season, effectively killing the competition, and then in 2023 he wasn't going to be anything other than the backup unless Geno imploded or got injured (the latter did happen briefly, and Lock did "ok"). Maybe he's just ok with being a backup.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I know I'm not. I am just saying that Lock not having a good game for shitshow NYG the other day doesn't prove much. I also don't think he got much of an opportunity in Seattle. He supposedly had a chance to win a QB competition here in 2022 but got hurt in pre-season, effectively killing the competition, and then in 2023 he wasn't going to be anything other than the backup unless Geno imploded or got injured (the latter did happen briefly, and Lock did "ok"). Maybe he's just ok with being a backup.

I watched enough of Lock at Denver and even in the games he came in for Seattle to know there's not much there - and Lock is 28, he's not 24 like Howell who could develop. He could be a late bloomer (kind of like Smith or Alex Smith) but it's doubtful. In the game where Geno was out for a bit and he had the big completion to Fant, that was all Fant. In that appearance he also missed 2 WIDE open receivers over the middle even though he had time. I mean it was as good as it gets. Then in the Philly game, he did lead a victory come from behind, but Walker rushed well that game and Philly was imploding at that point on all sides of the ball. If Hurts didn't gift us 2 INTs we lose that game.

Lock is a career backup. He's had plenty of chances to start and win the QB competition and hasn't eeked out anyone. Even Walter football had this to write in his NFL Power Rankings this week:

The Giants should teach a master class in tanking. This is how you do it: Make all the veterans angry by benching the best quarterback on the roster in favor of a third-string meme. New York has all but secured a top-two draft choice, and it should get the top pick with Trevor Lawrence returning.

We need to fix the OL first and foremost - MAYBE there is something in Howell (he's so young) but saying Lock is the answer over Smith is ridiculous.

 

[Anointed One]

I know I'm not. I am just saying that Lock not having a good game for shitshow NYG the other day doesn't prove much. I also don't think he got much of an opportunity in Seattle. He supposedly had a chance to win a QB competition here in 2022 but got hurt in pre-season, effectively killing the competition, and then in 2023 he wasn't going to be anything other than the backup unless Geno imploded or got injured (the latter did happen briefly, and Lock did "ok"). Maybe he's just ok with being a backup.

I look at it as 3 teams in 3 years, maybe he didn't deserve an opportunity... Maybe the coaches realized he's just backup, journeyman material... Who knows... I don't feel like he's done anything to warrant an opportunity to be a starter over the current QB's on the roster he was with at the time...

He could be going to his 4th team in 4 years after the season...

 

[JMR]

I look at it as 3 teams in 3 years, maybe he didn't deserve an opportunity... Maybe the coaches realized he's just backup, journeyman material... Who knows... I don't feel like he's done anything to warrant an opportunity to be a starter over the current QB's on the roster he was with at the time...

He could be going to his 4th team in 4 years after the season...

Look, all I'm saying is Drew Lock didn't really get much of a shot at anything here in Seattle. He was here 2 years. In the year where Pete said there was a competition for QB1, Lock got hurt. Then he went to NYG where they already had an established big-money starter who had recently been to the playoffs and got a W, so it was almost assuredly a backup situation there. I'm just saying we aren't really sure, and this last spot start doesn't prove much at all either way.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Because 12 TD passes and 12 INT's is SOOOO GOOD. I mean think about the fact he also has 6 fumbles and THANKFULLY lost none of those. Imagine if just 3 of those were lost. He is on par to have a worse season than Howell did his first year starting. It really cant get much worse and the fact that you think it can makes no sense. Oh wow another 4th quarter come back win for geno .. yeah uhm we wouldnt have been in that situation if it wasnt FOR Geno in the first place. This is how you play .500 ball.

Geno has been more sub par this season than average and like i said with the talent level we have in the skill positions he really shouldnt be struggling like he does. When you watch the all 22 you will break something as WR and TE are open ALL OVER THE GOD DAMN PLACE!

He obviously can't see the field or go through his progression. All that does is holds back the rest of the teams development. Got to do something or just pray your defense can hold every team they play under 20 points. Hawks have not won a game where the other team scored more than 20 points. Every NFC West team minus the Seahawks has 2 such wins when the oppenents score more than 20 points.

At this point you can't bench Geno. Teams 7-5 and if that change is made and team misses the playoffs, Mac loses the entire locker room. Next season Howell will get his shot hopefully with a better o-line in front of him.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Drew Lock is sub mediocre.

 

[JMR]

At this point you can't bench Geno. Teams 7-5 and if that change is made and team misses the playoffs, Mac loses the entire locker room. Next season Howell will get his shot hopefully with a better o-line in front of him.

Yeah, benching Geno isn't even a sliver of a thought right now for Mike Macdonald. You currently sit in 1st place, have a veteran QB who's been the starter here now going on 3 seasons, and the defense has rounded into form. The wrong thing to do at this point is create turbulence. The best thing to do is focus more on what the O is good at, and ride that has hard as you can.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah, benching Geno isn't even a sliver of a thought right now for Mike Macdonald. You currently sit in 1st place, have a veteran QB who's been the starter here now going on 3 seasons, and the defense has rounded into form. The wrong thing to do at this point is create turbulence. The best thing to do is focus more on what the O is good at, and ride that has hard as you can.

Yah, it's a 7-5 football team leading the division. It's stupid to pull the plug now, and I think everyone on this forum can admit that Grubb was not given a decent OL (which he had in Washington) to work with. Yah he's got all the skill players, but when you're working with a shit OL it makes it hard. I have to remind myself that Grubb is working with that.

Now there's other stuff... 1st and goal from the 1 yard line (half yard line for 2 downs) and you end up turning it over on 4th down due to a sack which ALSO bailed out the Jets from playing in the endzone is just ridiculous... that's the kind of stuff that you really have to wonder WTF Grubb is doing. I don't care how bad your OL is, that stuff is baffling. Olu didn't play great against the Jets but he looks better than Williams atm, so why was Conner starting? Why is Bradford still starting? Is Grubb involved in these decisions? The no huddle sideline/college crap... it's never worked in the NFL, has never been seen, is Grubb trying to be some NFL savant? I dunno...

Plenty of reasons to ditch Grubb (and Harfailure - Special Teams, Jesus Christ... shocked he isn't already fired as that was the worst special teams performance I've personally watched in NFL history) but now is not the time to shake it up. If Seattle lost the last 3 games, I'd have expected Grubb/Harbaugh's firing.

 

[Battlelyon]

Adam Schefter - Mirror (@adamschefter-mirror.bluesky.bot)

The Seattle Seahawks wanted and intended to draft both Deebo Samuel and D.K. Metcalf in the second round of the 2019 draft, and thought they had a deal in place to do it, per sources. The Seahawks nearly pulled it off before their plan fizzled late.

bsky.app

Interesting timing for John to call on Schefter as his mouthpiece. There has been a lot of noise this week about John's disastrous FA offseason, it seems like he's trying to change the narrative.

I'm hoping everyone sees through this brazenly transparent effort. I also don't really care what John might have been right about in 2019.

Deebo and Metcalf have a combined 4 receiving TDs this season and 9 drops

 

[JMR]

Now there's other stuff... 1st and goal from the 1 yard line (half yard line for 2 downs) and you end up turning it over on 4th down due to a sack which ALSO bailed out the Jets from playing in the endzone is just ridiculous... that's the kind of stuff that you really have to wonder WTF Grubb is doing. I don't care how bad your OL is, that stuff is baffling. Olu didn't play great against the Jets but he looks better than Williams atm, so why was Conner starting? Why is Bradford still starting? Is Grubb involved in these decisions? The no huddle sideline/college crap... it's never worked in the NFL, has never been seen, is Grubb trying to be some NFL savant? I dunno...

The sack was a complete disaster and defeated the purpose of going for it there instead of taking the 3.... you don't punch it in, and they are pinned deep like you say, and you may just get the ball back very quickly with great field position and nothing else really lost but a little bit of time. Instead, you come up with 0 points and they have the ball at the 20 after a bonehead penalty. Even with our OL, you should be able to run straight ahead and get 1 yard to paydirt in 4 tries.

Isn't Bradford injured? I don't think he played at all vs Jets, but maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Plenty of reasons to ditch Grubb (and Harfailure - Special Teams, Jesus Christ... shocked he isn't already fired as that was the worst special teams performance I've personally watched in NFL history) but now is not the time to shake it up. If Seattle lost the last 3 games, I'd have expected Grubb/Harbaugh's firing.

I would normally say it's a bit of a knee-jerk to fire an OC after just 1 season when it's their first time in that job at this level. ST can also be a bit flukey....not like those guys are being coached to fumble or be careless with the ball. One thing about Macdonald is that so far he seems to be pretty decisive. He's not afraid to pull the trigger on a decision if he thinks it's the right one.