Schefter Reports Contract Talks with Cousins Broken Off

[j_y19]

I have answered this before & will here. Let's compare this to 2012/2013. Big difference at this time.

The 2012 team was primarily based on RG3. He ended his season w/ a major injury & there were doubts about whether he could rebound quickly enough to start the 2013 season. He was also operating under a gimmick offense & several folks had their doubts whether it was sustainable (turns out they were correct). Beyond that you had question marks across the board on both offense and defense for that team.

The Redskins were also looking at having no # 1 picks for the following 2 seasons due to the RG3 trade, and they had numerous holes to fill. Their GM/personnel role was primarily being performed by Shanahan & history shows that the dual coach/GM role rarely works. Bottom line - the Redskins achieved their success mainly through smoke & mirrors & were looking at huge question marks moving forward. Ultimately it all came crashing down.

Compare that to the current time. They have a separate coach & GM & their GM is very highly respected & just about everything that he has done to date with the Redskins has worked out pretty well (no guarantee I realize). They also have finally started to put together the makings of a very good O line. They have youth in just about all areas and are actually developing talent and depth across the board. They have just about all of their draft picks moving forward & have already shown that they advocate the sensible approach towards free agency.

Again - this is no guarantee, but if you can't see the difference between this offseason and the ones in 2013 & the other years then I don't know what to tell you.

cmon, socal. The body is different, but the head of the snake is still attached. It Snyder that people don't yet trust. That's why you see some say that they expect the skins to fuck it up. Because we have been trained to believe that snyder still is behind the curtain pulling levers and mucking every thing up. This may be unrational as he might have taken a step back, but 15 years of bone headed mismanagement from the top doesn't get erased easily. Its human nature.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree with you but this is SM's only play. Unless we use the franchise tag.

 

[j_y19]

The only play SM has is to let KC hit unrestricted FA and see what his true market value is worth. But if you do that a team with more money than us could steal him away. Then the fan base would really go nuts.


Do you guys agree with this?

No. He has the tag he can apply. Its not ideal, but its better than losing KC as a FA. Contrary to the rumors that we might not use the tag, KC will get tagged if no deal is in place by March 9th.

 

[deanpet21]

So KC wins either way. But you have to ask yourself this. Would KC get 18-20 million in FA from another team? I dont think so. I know its a huge risk but his true value is in FA. I agree SM would not roll the dice. He would just tag him.

 

[j_y19]

So KC wins either way. But you have to ask yourself this. Would KC get 18-20 million in FA from another team? I dont think so. I know its a huge risk but his true value is in FA. I agree SM would not roll the dice. He would just tag him.

Not necessarily. KC does not want to play under the tag. Its way too risky for him. He could be injured or his play might regress. If so, his value for 2017 and beyond goes way down. No player wants to be tagged.

 

[deanpet21]

Why not get tagged? You get 20 mil for that year. If Garcon and jax come back and upgrades to the interior line and RB happen, KC should have a similar year. The only way he losses is if he get hurt. I think KC's agent is giving SM crazy offers so they force SM to tag him. IF SM calls his bluff and lets him hit FA then KC get a lot less money on the open market.

 

[Breed]

What ehb5 said.

 

[Breed]

Not necessarily. KC does not want to play under the tag. Its way too risky for him. He could be injured or his play might regress. If so, his value for 2017 and beyond goes way down. No player wants to be tagged.

Darelle Revis has made it work for him. I think more players should opt for it personally.

 

[gkekoa]

I'm not sure how much interest is out there at whatever price he wants. There are times a fan base creates greater demand than exists.

 

[ehb5]

I'm not sure how much interest is out there at whatever price he wants. There are times a fan base creates greater demand than exists.

This is a good point. I think sometimes fans here dont realize how much higher they are on players here than the rest of the world. That said it only takes one team to screw everything up and there are some dumb teams.

 

[chillerdab]

Depending on what is happening go behind closed doors, I don't think that KC necessarily holds all the cards.

afew things work in GMSM's favor:

The teams looking for a qb, generally are awful (Texans not included) - Jets, Browns, Rams, Niners, possibly, Eagles, possibly.
It would be learning a new system, moving to a new city.
You'd be competing with RG3 for a contract again.
None of those teams have anywhere near the offensive talent that the Redskins have (Texans have Hopkins, and?!?!, jets have no rb's or TE, no cap space, aging online, Rams have Gurley, Tavon Austin, and?!?!).
It's unlikely that GMSM would just let KC walk, which means that at the worst, the team that signs KC will have to sacrifice 2 first round picks for ten games worth of greatness. Does that seem likely?

Redskins should offer more money than what other clubs pay him, but demand team options after a few years. Take the deal, KC, (there'd skins should say), or we'll put you out on non exclusive franchise tag on you, see what you're worth to other teams, watch you go to a shifty year, take the two first round picks we get for you, and win without you.

Essentially GMSM should bet on himself if he can't get KC to sign.

 

[ehb5]

Depending on what is happening go behind closed doors, I don't think that KC necessarily holds all the cards.

afew things work in GMSM's favor:

The teams looking for a qb, generally are awful (Texans not included) - Jets, Browns, Rams, Niners, possibly, Eagles, possibly.
It would be learning a new system, moving to a new city.
You'd be competing with RG3 for a contract again.
None of those teams have anywhere near the offensive talent that the Redskins have (Texans have Hopkins, and?!?!, jets have no rb's or TE, no cap space, aging online, Rams have Gurley, Tavon Austin, and?!?!).
It's unlikely that GMSM would just let KC walk, which means that at the worst, the team that signs KC will have to sacrifice 2 first round picks for ten games worth of greatness. Does that seem likely?

Redskins should offer more money than what other clubs pay him, but demand team options after a few years. Take the deal, KC, (there'd skins should say), or we'll put you out on non exclusive franchise tag on you, see what you're worth to other teams, watch you go to a shifty year, take the two first round picks we get for you, and win without you.

Essentially GMSM should bet on himself if he can't get KC to sign.

The Jets were probably better than us last year. I do get your point but HOU and NYJ would not be bad destinations at all IMO. And you never know, he could just chase the money anyway.

 

[Muto_has_a_posse]

Agree. Why do people (especially Redskins fans) want to keep lumping the current Redskins organization in with the incompetent ones from the past?

Look I have a ton of faith in Scot but the one thing just about all Skins fans have said the last 20 years is, "This time it's different." We said it when Gibbs came back, when we grabbed Sahanahan, etc.

The front office still went through the train wreck of the qb competition this pre season. RG3 is our starter, let's get him mauled, Kirk is our starter.

This front office was happy to throw in a blow jobs for tips scandal at the beginning of the season. Have we ever heard from any other GM's wife on any team?

We snatched up Gillette who had huge character issues.

I love what Scot has done and believe he'll turn it around but the fact the Skins ended up winning eliminated a lot of negative press.

 

[redskinsfan]

Trust may not be the right word, but the Redskins have a right to be hesitant to commit large chunks of guaranteed money. Cousins really didn't turn it around until game 7, so he really only played well over 10 games. Now he definitely made strides, and all signs point to continued growth, but there is still a possibility that he flames out. The sample size is just too small. But it is still way too early to be worried that they won't get a deal. This dance just started. The deal will happen, its good for both sides for it to happen. But it will be right up against the deadline. It almost always is.

Cousins' rejoinder will be that he wasn't given the reins to fully open up the passing attack until then and had to rely on an offense without any running attack or D-Jax. That rejoinder has some merit to it, but it doesn't take into account other stuff such as his play against higher caliber teams. Nonetheless, his last 10 games weren't just good -- they were the stuff of historical proportions. While he didn't beat teams with winning records, those that he did beat down the stretch involved some routs. And a lot of those games were those where the coaching staff ordered him to take his foot off the gas. Otherwise, his numbers would've been much better.

 

[Breed]

The Jets were better than the Skins last year, were 10th in the league in rushing with Ivory looking beastly at times and the duo of Marshall and Decker could ease not having a TE significantly.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

cmon, socal. The body is different, but the head of the snake is still attached. It Snyder that people don't yet trust. That's why you see some say that they expect the skins to fuck it up. Because we have been trained to believe that snyder still is behind the curtain pulling levers and mucking every thing up. This may be unrational as he might have taken a step back, but 15 years of bone headed mismanagement from the top doesn't get erased easily. Its human nature.

I totally agree with the reluctance of any fan in being hesitant. However - I disagree about Snyder having any role whatsoever in current personnel matters. There is absolutely no evidence for this in the recent past, and if even a hint of this was true the media would be all over this matter. I also believe that if Snyder was anything more than marginally involved in personnel matters that SM would walk.

Let folks expect the team to screw things up. I am only asking that we wait and see & just don't expect things to go poorly. Time will tell.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Look I have a ton of faith in Scot but the one thing just about all Skins fans have said the last 20 years is, "This time it's different." We said it when Gibbs came back, when we grabbed Sahanahan, etc.

The front office still went through the train wreck of the qb competition this pre season. RG3 is our starter, let's get him mauled, Kirk is our starter.

This front office was happy to throw in a blow jobs for tips scandal at the beginning of the season. Have we ever heard from any other GM's wife on any team?

We snatched up Gillette who had huge character issues.

I love what Scot has done and believe he'll turn it around but the fact the Skins ended up winning eliminated a lot of negative press.

First of all - who gives a shit about the GM's wife - that is media fodder that proved to be total nonsense. That is a fault with the media - not the Redskins. Notice how ridiculous stories like this disappeared as the season progressed - nice for a change.

The difference between the current time and the past 20 years or so is that the Redskins finally have an actual competent GM. Who have they had as GM during the rest of Snyder's tenure? The only one who is close was Allen, but he proved to more of a money guy. Otherwise you had pseudo GMs like Gibbs & Shanahan (who weren't really qualified & certainly not equipped to have the dual coach/GM type role) & complete moron in Cerrato.

So yes I would say that "this time is different". Read my post on specifically why this offseason is different than 2013 or other successful Redskins seasons. Again - no guarantee but certainly signs that we should not be as pessimistic as in seasons past.

 

[j_y19]

I totally agree with the reluctance of any fan in being hesitant. However - I disagree about Snyder having any role whatsoever in current personnel matters. There is absolutely no evidence for this in the recent past, and if even a hint of this was true the media would be all over this matter. I also believe that if Snyder was anything more than marginally involved in personnel matters that SM would walk.

Let folks expect the team to screw things up. I am only asking that we wait and see & just don't expect things to go poorly. Time will tell.[/QUOTE

Really? Guess it depends on what you mean by recent past. Many (if not most) believe he is the reason why RG3 is still on the roster.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agree. Why do people (especially Redskins fans) want to keep lumping the current Redskins organization in with the incompetent ones from the past?

One season of semi-competence does not a track record make. As i said before, until they dont fuck this up... I will expect them to fuck this up. Too many moving parts and the solution is too obvious. Therefore the Redskins organization is genetically predisposed to at least make this more difficult than it needs to be, and likely fuck it up in the process. Scot might be the voice of reason and the champion of common sense, but we are still owned by a rich kid with a fixation on star players. Dan would rather do something stupid and sexy, than smart and boring.

And the whole concept of the proverbial "WE" having any input on matters will always make me expect the worst and be shocked from any other result. Now eventually they might build up a track record. But at present, a not fuckup is the exception.. not the rule.

 

[chillerdab]

No, in fact Breed is wrong: the Jets were about the same as us last year, with a better defense and worse offense.

Ivory got his yards bc teams focused on stopping Marshall.

In any case, the oline is aging, they dont have much cap space, and run a different system than the Redskins.