Roy Halladay Retires

[HammerDown]

Way more than a solid career - he was the best pitcher in his era, quite frankly - the innings he threw, the dominance he had, in a tough AL East for so many years, and then what he did in his first two seasons with the Phillies, without a doubt it was an unbelievably amazing career

That's debatable but he was dominant for a long time. I can't think of anyone more exciting to watch than him when he was at the top of his game.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Let the HOF debate begin. I'd vote for him

There's no debate. He is a hall of famer.

 

[BigDDude]

There's no debate. He is a hall of famer.

Then make a spot for Kevin Brown in the hall, he of the "one and done" H.O.F ballot experience. My check of their career numbers finds them to be very similar. In fact, the folks at Baseball Reference have Brown 1 spot ahead of Halladay as far as whom they consider to be better.

Let the "it's different, and you just have to understand" debates on this begin.......

 

[StanMarsh51]

I should have been more clear on what my definition of a HOF season... I counted 6 HOF seasons- 2006 was not one for me...

A HOF season in my book is if you start 30+ games, 200+ innings and have 1 of these 3 things:
1. 20 or more wins
2. below 3.00 ERA
3. Below 1.09 WHIP

1. While no 20 wins, he had the best W-L% in the AL (16-5 record).
2. He was 2nd in the AL in ERA
3. He was 2nd in the AL in WHIP

So 1st in win %, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP in a 220 inning season and that's not a HOF caliber season? He was easily the 2nd best pitcher in the AL that year after Santana, who had an incredible year.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Then make a spot for Kevin Brown in the hall, he of the "one and done" H.O.F ballot experience. My check of their career numbers finds them to be very similar. In fact, the folks at Baseball Reference have Brown 1 spot ahead of Halladay as far as whom they consider to be better.

Let the "it's different, and you just have to understand" debates on this begin.......

67 complete games, 20 shutouts, 2 Cy Youngs, a lifetime ERA of 3.38, 203 wins, WHIP of 1.18, pitched a perfect game and a post season no hitter...I think that's hall of fame territory.

 

[StanMarsh51]

That's debatable but he was dominant for a long time. I can't think of anyone more exciting to watch than him when he was at the top of his game.

Who was really better in that span?

The only one with rate stats as good or better than Halladay was Santana, but he threw 400 less total innings from 2002-2011.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Then make a spot for Kevin Brown in the hall, he of the "one and done" H.O.F ballot experience. My check of their career numbers finds them to be very similar. In fact, the folks at Baseball Reference have Brown 1 spot ahead of Halladay as far as whom they consider to be better.

Let the "it's different, and you just have to understand" debates on this begin.......

1. Brown has a solid HOF case, the fact that he was one and done was ridiculous and a reflection of the incompetence of the voters, not Brown.

2. Where does baseball-reference have Brown ahead of Halladay?

 

[BigDDude]

1. Brown has a solid HOF case, the fact that he was one and done was ridiculous and a reflection of the incompetence of the voters, not Brown.

2. Where does baseball-reference have Brown ahead of Halladay?

Check the all time ranks, just above the first pitching stats.

Roy Halladay Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

 

[raptorlife4]

Halladay had so much respect for the game and no pitcher worked harder then him in between starts.

He was a joy to watch and I'm proud he retired a Jay. And yes he is a hall of famer

 

[Darkstone42]

I can't see any truly reasonable argument against Halladay getting into the Hall. His dominance can't even be fully measured by the numbers he posted. He controlled a game more absolutely than any pitcher in his era. When Halladay pitched, it felt like he was dictating the entire game. He was incredible.

 

[The Derski]

Surprised me. I thought he had more in the tank. Seems like just yesterday he was the best of the best.

 

[gunnarthor]

Brown deserved more consideration for the Hall than he got but he was also linked to PEDs, which some voters would clearly have used against him.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I can't see any truly reasonable argument against Halladay getting into the Hall. His dominance can't even be fully measured by the numbers he posted. He controlled a game more absolutely than any pitcher in his era. When Halladay pitched, it felt like he was dictating the entire game. He was incredible.

I have him making the HOF, but it is much closet than you would think... He just barely makes it... The clincher is his perfect game and his postseason no hitter...

 

[navamind]

Not before Jack Morris.

LOL. Just no.

 

[navamind]

Halladay led the league in WAR for pitchers 4 times and was top 5 eight times. Morris never led the league and was top 5 twice.

Halladay was top 5 in ERA 7 times. Morris was top 5 in ERA twice.

Halladay was top 5 in WHIP 6 times. Morris was top 5 in WHIP twice.

Halladay led the league in IP twice, top 5 eight times. Morris led the league in IP once, top 5 seven times.

Halladay was top 5 in strikeouts 5 times. Morris was top 5 in strikeouts 4 times.

Halladay led the league in K/BB 5 times. Morris was top 5 once.

Halladay was top 5 in ERA+ seven times, led the league once. Morris was top 5 in ERA+ once.

Comparing Halladay to Morris is idiotic. Morris shouldn't be in, Halladay should.

Halladay has a much lower ERA, and that's not even accounting for the differences in their respective eras.

It's absurd. Morris is easily the most overrated pitcher of all-time. I wish people would stop even suggesting him in HOF discussions.

 

[Darkstone42]

I have him making the HOF, but it is much closet than you would think... He just barely makes it... The clincher is his perfect game and his postseason no hitter...

I don't think you can hold the lack of counting stat milestones against a guy who dealt with some injuries later in his career, but for the decade in which the bulk of his work fell, was the best pitcher in the game, or very close to.

Isn't that what the Hall of Fame is for? The best guys at their positions in their era. Halladay was indisputably that. His era was about a decade, which, in my opinion, is a sufficiently large era to make him a lock.

 

[navamind]

I should have been more clear on what my definition of a HOF season... I counted 6 HOF seasons- 2006 was not one for me...

A HOF season in my book is if you start 30+ games, 200+ innings and have 1 of these 3 things:
1. 20 or more wins
2. below 3.00 ERA
3. Below 1.09 WHIP

If you're going by that, then there were a lot of "HOF seasons", especially in the 1960s/early 1970s.

 

[navamind]

I should have been more clear on what my definition of a HOF season... I counted 6 HOF seasons- 2006 was not one for me...

A HOF season in my book is if you start 30+ games, 200+ innings and have 1 of these 3 things:
1. 20 or more wins
2. below 3.00 ERA
3. Below 1.09 WHIP

If you're going by that, then there were a lot of "HOF seasons", especially in the 1960s/early 1970s.

You have to account for run environments.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Not even close in my eyes. Top three SP of my generation, with Pedro and Randy, IMO. The Doctor was very surgical and was a horse on the mound. If he's not a HOF pitcher, then I will not care about the HOF in the future, as it's been creeping down my "to watch list" lately anyway... (as some of you mentioned, it is probably a littler cluttered already)

 

[navamind]

Surprised me. I thought he had more in the tank. Seems like just yesterday he was the best of the best.

Pitchers' arms are ticking time bombs. Him and Brandon Webb are two unfortunate examples.

I thought his best days were behind him, but I thought he'd be able to adapt to the loss in velocity and put together a few more solid years. Guess not.