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KS4GM’s Final 2021 WFT 53-Man Roster

Well, that final pre-season game was a total stinker, but at least it solidifies pretty clearly the direction that the roster will be headed. Below are my projections for the Washington Football...

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I agree with this roster. No need to keep 3 QB's b/c K. Allen will be protected on the practice squad. This opened up a spot on offense which will be the 7th WR.

 

[skinsdad62]

i wouldnt try to sneek allen past past the jags , they traded minshew so they might grab him . . if i get allen on the PS for debates sake i would let go of montez

 

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Kyle Allen could still be the QB of the future unless the team starts drafting, trading or signing QBs.

 

[deanpet21]

i wouldnt try to sneek allen past past the jags , they traded minshew so they might grab him . . if i get allen on the PS for debates sake i would let go of montez

I agree Montez should go. I forgot teams can pickup players before we name our practice squad. I bet someone picks up AGG if he is cut.

 

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I agree Montez should go. I forgot teams can pickup players before we name our practice squad. I bet someone picks up AGG if he is cut.

i am not sure anyone picks up agg

 

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he took the rap

 

[deanpet21]

i am not sure anyone picks up agg

Some other team had to have a 4th round draft grade on this guy.

 

[skinsdad62]

Some other team had to have a 4th round draft grade on this guy.

most of the time players slide through to the PS . teams value their guys who have been in camp

 

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Washington Football Team: Roster bubble watch leading up to 53-man deadline

With the 53-man roster deadline less than one week away, let's take a look at the roster bubble for the Washington Football Team.

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i think the 2 lbs are gone and we claim 2 on cuts

 

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I am hearing rumors barber is cut, can’t prove it yet though it may have come out on his burner acct

 

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Ron Rivera wasn’t interested in outcomes in the Washington Football Team’s preseason finale against the visiting Baltimore Ravens. Would it have been nice for the team to close out its three-game stretch with a win, and in the process break the Ravens’ 19-game preseason winning streak?

Sure, and Chase Young smiled from ear to ear at the thought of wreaking havoc on the streak, but it was all wishful thinking. Rivera said after the 37-3 loss Saturday that he and the coaches decided earlier in the week that the starters and key contributors wouldn’t play to avoid risking injuries after a good camp.

The final game was all about the process. It was about the process of getting enough evidence before trimming the roster to 53 players by Tuesday. It was about the process of players like kicker Dustin Hopkins ensuring their mechanics looked good instead of worrying about making a field goal. It was about a process of elimination for players who are on the roster bubble.

The loss was inconsequential. Rivera said some players “flashed” and made a strong case for inclusion. With the preseason wrapped up, we present our final Washington roster projection. We agreed on some units but in others we disagreed on who stays and who goes.

Quarterbacks​

In: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen
Out: Steven Montez
Contested: None

Ben: The only potential quarterback competition this summer never materialized, and that was Allen challenging Heinicke to be the primary backup. Blame an ankle injury on the final day in Richmond, Va., just when Allen started to close the gap. He didn’t change the forecast while facing Baltimore’s first-team defense. As for the starter, Fitzpatrick lived up to his roller-coaster hype during practices and his two preseason appearances. Whether Washington’s offense effectively complements a potentially elite defense is the major question entering the season. We’ll see soon enough.

Rhiannon: No surprises here. Fitzpatrick always held the first-team reps. Heinicke followed suit with the second group, and any challenge Allen planned to put up for the primary backup spot went up in flames when he lost a week and a half with the sprained ankle. Montez never seriously pushed for the third quarterback spot because as soon as Allen was healthy enough to go, he returned.

Running backs​

In: Antonio Gibson, J.D. McKissic, Jaret Patterson
Out: Peyton Barber, Jonathan Williams
Contested: None

Ben: Patterson looked a bit shaky against Baltimore — the undrafted rookie dropped two passes — but he sizzled in the first two preseason games to secure a spot. Barber’s short-yardage skills helped last season, and Gibson hasn’t proven adept in that role, but going with four running backs for that reason is a bit much. It’s not like teams are clamoring for a player like Barber, whose yards-per-carry average has dropped every year since his rookie season. Gibson is poised for a monster season. What happens on early downs if he misses time? Let’s table that. McKissic’s value as a receiver remains underrated even though he caught 80 passes last season.

Rhiannon: The only question was who the final running back would be. From the jump, running backs coach Randy Jordan indicated the team had the intention of only keeping three. Barber, who was the short-yardage back, had a loose hold on the final spot heading into July and slimmed down to give himself a better chance of doing more when he was on the field. Then camp and the preseason happened and Patterson stole the show. Neither did much in the finale, so if we’re basing the decision on what we saw all summer, I’m giving the nod to the younger, less-expensive running back. At every turn, Patterson helped his case. He led Washington in rushing and receiving yards in the opener and paced the offense against the Bengals while returning a kickoff 37 yards. He did everything the coaching staff wanted to see and gives it flexibility more than Barber does.

Wide receivers​

In: Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel, Dyami Brown, Adam Humphries, Cam Sims, Antonio Gandy-Golden, DeAndre Carter
Out: Dax Milne, Isaiah Wright, Tony Brown
Contested: None

Ben: Gandy-Golden didn’t run away with a roster spot, but there’s enough to like between his potential, red zone size and fourth-round draft status. Carter sneaks onto the roster over Milne as the punt returner based on experience and the likelihood the rookie goes unclaimed on waivers. That’s no knock on Milne, who popped in camp and could be a slot option next year as Humphries is on a one-year deal. There are enough free-agent wide receivers to think Milne makes Washington’s practice squad. Wright, another special teams performer, will be clipped by the numbers.

Rhiannon: Given that Milne started seeing increased time with the first-team offense in the past two weeks, and coupled with the release of Steven Sims Jr., I had my questions. Milne appears to be a long-term project, and as such, I foresaw him spending time on the practice squad. But with Gandy-Golden taking time to warm up, as well as Samuel missing all of training camp, Milne received extra looks and did the most with them. Ultimately, Gandy-Golden showed signs of life in the final two preseason games and practice, and he also saw time with the starters. Carter, who nearly played exclusively with the second unit, didn’t play much in the finale, which gives me the impression Washington saw more than enough from him. Since Washington has Humphries, Carter and Samuel, who can play in the slot, if it is keeping seven wide receivers, the last should be a bigger player.

Tight ends​

In: Logan Thomas, John Bates, Sammis Reyes
Out: Caleb Wilson
Contested: Ricky Seals-Jones (Rhiannon has him in, Ben has him out)

Ben: Maybe Reyes doesn’t offer significant help this season, though his blocking stands out. Washington invested in the truly raw prospect for more than just this season, and the former college basketball player has done enough to warrant a longer look. He’s also unlikely to clear waivers. Maybe Reyes somehow (coughs) lands on injured reserve for more seasoning once rosters are set and Seals-Jones goes from the practice squad to the active roster.

Rhiannon: Seals-Jones, who has eight career touchdown catches, is the best receiving option behind Thomas, whereas Reyes is a willing and physical blocker. Seals-Jones played with the first team more consistently over the final weeks of training camp and Reyes lost some time and a preseason game due to a knee injury. Long term, Reyes is a player who has great potential, and the coaching staff would like to keep him so it can give him a longer look — and more time to develop. Right now, Seals-Jones gives the team the most immediate impact.

Offensive linemen​

In: Charles Leno Jr., Ereck Flowers, Chase Roullier, Brandon Scherff, Sam Cosmi, Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen
Out: Keith Ismael, David Sharpe, Wes Martin, David Steinmetz, Beau Benzschawel, Jon Toth
Contested: None

Ben: Ismael becomes the first member of the 2020 draft class to be cut. Larsen played ahead of the fifth-round pick for much of the summer, and it’s hard seeing how both make the team. Sharpe is the better option as a 10th lineman considering the positional value — and Washington traded for him last year — but he missed a chunk of camp while on the reserve/COVID-19 list. There are questions about the starters entering the season, particularly with two new tackles, and they should receive more attention over the next two weeks.

Rhiannon: Flowers overtaking Schweitzer to start at left guard was probably the most exciting thing to happen on the offensive line. There was never any competition at right tackle between Cosmi, a rookie, and Lucas once camp started because Lucas spent several days on the reserve/COVID-19 list. During that time, Cosmi took his lumps, but he started to stand his ground better after the “Friday Night Lights” practice and never relinquished his hold on the starting role. Behind them, there wasn’t any turnover of significance.

 

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Defensive linemen​

In: Montez Sweat, Jonathan Allen, Daron Payne, Chase Young, Matt Ioannidis, James Smith-Williams, Tim Settle
Out: Daniel Wise, Devaroe Lawrence, Gabe Wright, Bunmi Rotimi
Contested: William Bradley-King and Casey Toohill (Ben has them in, Rhiannon has them out); Shaka Toney and David Bada (Rhiannon has them in, Ben has them out)

Ben: Surprise. Toohill missed all three preseason games and most of camp with a toe injury, but the third-year end whom Washington claimed off waivers last season had solid moments early in camp. Either he’s close to practicing or Washington places him on IR on Wednesday so he can return later in the season. Of the two defensive ends drafted in the seventh round in April, Bradley-King had the better camp and Toney is a practice squad candidate. The same is true for Wise, Lawrence and maybe Rotimi. Let’s give some love to Bada, who had a sack and blocked an extra point against the Ravens. As an international pathway player, Washington can keep him without needing to make a roster decision, so there’s no need to have him on the Week 1 roster unless they see him helping immediately.

Rhiannon: Washington’s strongest group is back and with reinforcements as Ioannidis returns after a torn biceps cut last season short. He adds more muscle — get it? — to a group that helped Washington finish tied for fifth in sacks last season. Settle is the other backup defensive and Smith-Williams replaces Ryan Kerrigan as Sweat and Young’s primary backup. Opposite him is where the question lies. Toohill was getting reps with the second unit before his toe injury and several linemen had strong performances in the preseason. Bada went off in the finale, Wise and Bradley-King played big against the Bengals and Rotimi had a half sack against the Patriotsand a sack against the Ravens.

Linebackers​

In: Cole Holcomb, Jon Bostic, Jamin Davis, Khaleke Hudson
Out: Jared Norris, Joe Walker
Contested: David Mayo (Ben has him in, Rhiannon has him out); Jordan Kunaszyk(Rhiannon has him in, Ben has him out)

Ben: Washington will have a sixth linebacker around eventually. Kunaszyk (my pick if one stays) and Norris are special teams stalwarts, though Mayo outpaces both in that department. It’s a worthy risk to see if one or both clear waivers so a player at another position can stay. Overall, there’s a three-down depth question behind Holcomb, Bostic and Davis. The rookie is reading more than reacting to date, but his athletic traits have popped. What happens if any of the top three misses time is a mystery.

Rhiannon: The top three are set and there are no questions regarding them. Behind them? Whew. There’s a lot to be desired. At various points, Hudson, Kunaszyk, Norris and Mayo made plays. Kunaszyk stood out the most by making interceptions in practice and a few plays that stood out during the preseason and Hudson can play special teams.

Cornerbacks​

In: William Jackson III, Kendall Fuller, Benjamin St-Juste, Jimmy Moreland, Torry McTyer
Out: Danny Johnson, Darryl Roberts, Linden Stephens
Contested: Troy Apke (Ben has him in, Rhiannon has him out)

Ben: This was probably the toughest position debate even before McTyer left Saturday’s game to be evaluated for a concussion. Apke’s special teams work puts him on the roster by a hair over Johnson. Roberts, the more proven cornerback of the three, could stay if McTyer’s issue is worrisome. The wild card is Moreland. He played Saturday, unlike those who were considered safe. His role is diminished with Fuller playing more in the slot and the use of safety Kam Curl as the buffalo nickel. Other teams need corners, so maybe there’s a trade available if Washington seeks a way to keep some combination of Apke, Johnson and Roberts.

Rhiannon: The starting rotation was never in question but the intrigue rested with the supporting cast. It was truly a fun battle to watch. McTyer was a showstopper at camp. He could be counted upon to make at least one or two solid defensive plays a day and joined the first-team defense once Jackson began missing time with an injury. Moreland, who had the first interception of training camp, also got some looks in the slot with the first team. Apke, try as he might, made things interesting but never moved off the second and third teams. In the season finale, he was burned for a touchdown.

Safeties​

In: Landon Collins, Kam Curl, Bobby McCain, Deshazor Everett
Out: Cole Luke
Contested: Darrick Forrest (Ben has him in, Rhiannon has him out); Jeremy Reaves(Rhiannon has him in, Ben has him out)

Ben: Reaves being on the outside says more about depth than anything. Forrest missed the final two practices last week and Saturday’s game with a hamstring injury. He stays unless it’s significant, at which point Washington would need to keep Reaves unless Everett is surprisingly cut. The good news is Washington’s top options were sharp this summer. The trio of Collins, Curl and McCain should play plenty regardless of the workload.

Rhiannon: Tell me if you’ve heard this before, but the compelling story — you guessed it — was what the bottom of the depth chart would look like. Collins looked fantastic in his return from a torn Achilles. He appears lighter and faster and has been moving like he used to. McCain and Curl traded snaps as the top free safety. Everett and Reaves are special teams veterans, though Reaves had the more spectacular camp. Forrest was working on the side to end training camp and Luke never graduated to either of the top two units.

Specialists​

In: Dustin Hopkins, Tress Way, Camaron Cheeseman
Out: None
Contested: None

Ben: Hopkins nailed a 48-yard field goal Saturday, but his attempt from 55 was ruled to have been blocked. Regardless, he hasn’t exactly quieted his doubters with a 4-for-7 performance in the preseason. Rivera remains in his corner, which is all that matters.

Rhiannon: Rivera has reiterated that Hopkins is the kicker and stood by him last season. The only other question is whether the specialists can come together to have fewer issues in the regular season.

 

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[deanpet21]

I am hearing rumors barber is cut, can’t prove it yet though it may have come out on his burner acct

Look for Gibson to get a heavy load in short yardage. I cant see JD or Patterson getting the ball when its 3rd and 2 or 4th and inches and we are running the ball.

 

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Hard to cut him playing like that