Robinson Cano is over-rated

[BigDDude]

If we are going to compare cano to other second baseman he is still the best, and not very close... Its just that we dont compare him to other second baseman...

Who is this "we" you are speaking of? I ask, as I feel it is wise only to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges, if you follow me.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Who is this "we" you are speaking of? I ask, as I feel it is wise only to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges, if you follow me.

I feel like there are 2 parts of baseball that need to be compared separately... Defense and offense... Robinson Cano is the best offensive second baseman, but he is used in the lineup like an elite offensive player... so he should be compared to the rest of the elite offensive players... If he is a middle of the order guy, he needs to be compared to other middle of the order guys no matter what position he plays... So just because he is the best second baseman, that means shit to a tree...

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I for one do not think he's overrated. Whether or not he is a clutch player is a different argument.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

and as a middle of the lineup guy, who is responsible for getting RBIs, a player who hits .037 lower with scoring position than their career average is definitely over-rated...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

dont get me wrong, i am not saying get rid of the guy... I like cano, but just because i like him does not mean i can not say what i see...

 

[Swangin]

I feel like there are 2 parts of baseball that need to be compared separately... Defense and offense... Robinson Cano is the best offensive second baseman, but he is used in the lineup like an elite offensive player... so he should be compared to the rest of the elite offensive players... If he is a middle of the order guy, he needs to be compared to other middle of the order guys no matter what position he plays... So just because he is the best second baseman, that means shit to a tree...

30 HRs and slugging .540 on a 3 year avg doesn't count as being an elite hitter in the game?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Once again, he is an under achiever, and therefore he is over-rated... he is just another one of those players whose skills are better than they are...

 

[BigDDude]

I feel like there are 2 parts of baseball that need to be compared separately... Defense and offense... Robinson Cano is the best offensive second baseman, but he is used in the lineup like an elite offensive player... so he should be compared to the rest of the elite offensive players... If he is a middle of the order guy, he needs to be compared to other middle of the order guys no matter what position he plays... So just because he is the best second baseman, that means shit to a tree...

Instead of arguing this point further, I think I will just agree to disagree with how you see and assess Cano. The funny thing is, is that I see the main point that you are making, and I agree with it in general. After that, not so much.

 

[Swangin]

Once again, he is an under achiever, and therefore he is over-rated... he is just another one of those players whose skills are better than they are...

Well I think he over achieves by playing 160 games a season and being the best 2B in the league

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Instead of arguing this point further, I think I will just agree to disagree with how you see and assess Cano. The funny thing is, is that I see the main point that you are making, and I agree with it in general. After that, not so much.

Better to do some friendly arguing about baseball than to join the daily threads, so dont be afraid to continue debating... in fact i urge it, i am only speaking this strongly against Cano, because there is nothing better to talk about on these boards yet... it seems like new boards old story...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

BigD, just wondering what do u disagree with about what i said?? and why...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Swangin, i agree that he is the best second baseman in baseball, never said he wasnt... I just dont believe that just because you are the best that automatically says that you can not be overrated... Maybe its just my definition of overrated that you understand...

 

[Swangin]

Swangin, i agree that he is the best second baseman in baseball, never said he wasnt... I just dont believe that just because you are the best that automatically says that you can not be overrated... Maybe its just my definition of overrated that you understand...

To me I really value a pitcher that throws a lot of innings, and an every day player that plays every day, especially if they are one of the best at their position. And i could never call the best Catcher, SS, CF, or 2B in the league overrated. Just my opinion.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

To me I really value a pitcher that throws a lot of innings, and an every day player that plays every day, especially if they are one of the best at their position. And i could never call the best Catcher, SS, CF, or 2B in the league overrated. Just my opinion.

What if the best player at the weak position should be better than he is?? Look at how every site projects his numbers... he almost never surpasses it... I know projected stats mean nothing but still, his skills and talent are just better than he is... Biggest example of this is that his career BA with RISP is .037 lower than his career BA...

 

[BigDDude]

BigD, just wondering what do u disagree with about what i said?? and why...

The part about you bringing up about their being 2 parts of the game, offense and defense. You then went on about how Cano is the best offensive 2B in the game, which I agree on. However, you then spoke nothing of defense after that, instead going the route about how he is an elite MLB hitter, which I also agree.

Maybe I like my discussions to be more and better compartmentalized, as I think it would be fine to speak of who is the best offensive 2B, who is the best defensive 2B, and who the better hitters are, but to mix them all together makes for a muddle discussion going forward.

JMO.

 

[Swangin]

What if the best player at the weak position should be better than he is?? Look at how every site projects his numbers... he almost never surpasses it... I know projected stats mean nothing but still, his skills and talent are just better than he is... Biggest example of this is that his career BA with RISP is .037 lower than his career BA...

I guess I would have to know what kind of expectations you have for him? They seem to be almost unrealistic. I would understand if he was good one year, bad the next, good the next. But since 2008 all his numbers have shot up. He has like a 140 OPs+ the last 4 seasons at 2B. I guess I'm just having a hard time seeing what you expect from him except a higher BA with RISP. To me, asking him to be a lot better than he is would be very unrealistic

 

[BigDDude]

What if the best player at the weak position should be better than he is?? Look at how every site projects his numbers... he almost never surpasses it... I know projected stats mean nothing but still, his skills and talent are just better than he is... Biggest example of this is that his career BA with RISP is .037 lower than his career BA...

Now we are just splitting hairs. Until we can get a final final on whether players not living up to the number projected of and for them by others absolutly = over-rated, then we are not going to end up at any definitive conclusion here. As such, I think I will just keep thinking that he is a great 2B, one that I want on a fantasy team, and would love to have on my real team. Other than that, I guess I just don't care to speculate, but that is just me.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

BigD. I have been attempting to compare him with other elite hitters and forget about defensive position. This thread was supposed to just be an offensive thread. I feel like most people compare players who play the same position. But when we are talking about offense then position should not be taken into account. And if u are used as a middle of the lineup guy then u should be compared to the other middle of the lineup guys. And there I don't think cano is top 10.

 

[Chef99]

BigD. I have been attempting to compare him with other elite hitters and forget about defensive position. This thread was supposed to just be an offensive thread. I feel like most people compare players who play the same position. But when we are talking about offense then position should not be taken into account. And if u are used as a middle of the lineup guy then u should be compared to the other middle of the lineup guys. And there I don't think cano is top 10.

Well, if it's supposed to be an offensive thread, I think it worked with Swangin!

 

[Swangin]

BigD. I have been attempting to compare him with other elite hitters and forget about defensive position. This thread was supposed to just be an offensive thread. I feel like most people compare players who play the same position. But when we are talking about offense then position should not be taken into account. And if u are used as a middle of the lineup guy then u should be compared to the other middle of the lineup guys. And there I don't think cano is top 10.

Well, I believe he has avg more doubles than any player in baseball over the last 3 seasons and as mentioned before, 30 Hrs and .540 slg. I'd take that every day of the week in the middle of a line up.