RG3 thread

[Blunt8384]

I’m looking forward to a new year and building this team back to where we know it should be.”
~Robert Griffin

News flash...YOU do not build the team...you need to develop as a player and keep your mouth shut until you can play well enough to lead by example. Lead by backing up your coaches and teamates instead of whining about what YOU want and hyping yourself non stop. JUST SHUT UP!

 

[Sharkinva]

Will Robert Griffin III help or hurt the next Washington Redskins coach? - The Washington Post

Those who think he is picked on too much.... Dont read.

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Will Robert Griffin III help or hurt the next Washington Redskins coach? - The Washington Post

Those who think he is picked on too much.... Dont read.

Seems like a bunch of hot garbage to me.

RG3 goes from unassuming, "wide open to collaboration," qb during his first year as a pro to flat out diva in his second year?!

After recovering from major surgery?!?!

Ummmmmm, no. No, I don't think so.

A MAJOR reach from Sally Jenkins who, in my opinion, is usually pretty spot on.

Rg3 needs some growing up to do, but not nearly as badly as this POS article makes him out to be.

 

[j_y19]

As I've said many times, I don't put a whole lot of stock in these type of reports, one way or another. The truth of this situation probably lies somewhere in the middle. Did RG3 get a bit big headed after year 1? Probably, and some of that was fueled by Snyder, but some was the national adoration he was receiving. Did he subvert his coaches? Somewhat, but much of that I attribute to youth and inexperience. Was there a rift between him and his WRs? I don't think so, but I do think they, as well as much of the team, got tired of the overexposure of RG3 and became a bit perturbed my some of his statements. Did he brag to his teammates about the special treatment he got? I highly doubt it.

Is RG3 at primary fault in the shanahan downfall? No. This falls on Shanahan. He mishandled the situation, he didn't act like the 30 year NFL Vet he is, but a petulant child that got pissed because he wasn't in the group. He began to perceive everything as a slight and everyone was against him. He probably started rumors.....some based on truth, some not, as a way to deflect his poor performance in coaching. At the end of the day, his performance on the field alone alone speaks for itself.

But lets not forget the Owner. At the end of the day, when all the dust is cleared, he is the constant over the last 15 years of failure of this franchise. He fosters a work environment that is not conducive to success in the NFL. That's the bottom line. Wether its meddling, hiring bad employees, instilling fear and backstabbing as motivation techniques, whatever, he controls this. As long as this environment runs through Redskins Park, success will be fleeting.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

First of all RG3 nor just about anything else regarding the Redskins situation is going to deter most candidates. I see that they have long list of candidates lined up for interviews & I am sure that they will hire a solid candidate. The media always hypes up these type of things - it is comical.

Secondly - I seem to recall that John Elway was the biggest punk on the planet in his first few years with the Broncos. Remember - this is the guy who refused to play for the Colts. His attitude at the time was much worse than anything we have seen from RG3 (& he turned it around & played his way into the HOF).

Please - chalk up part of this to youth & inexperience. Let's just wait & see how RG3 acts over the next several years before making any judgements. There is a good chance that he will learn & have us once again viewing him primarily in a positive light. Time will tell.

 

[enkay21]

Seems like a bunch of hot garbage to me.

RG3 goes from unassuming, "wide open to collaboration," qb during his first year as a pro to flat out diva in his second year?!

After recovering from major surgery?!?!

Ummmmmm, no. No, I don't think so.

A MAJOR reach from Sally Jenkins who, in my opinion, is usually pretty spot on.

Rg3 needs some growing up to do, but not nearly as badly as this POS article makes him out to be.

You're insane if you think Sally Jenkins is ever spot on. Washington Post has 4 reporters that all just try to one-up each other. She has been on an RG3 hate trip since August in her reporting, always citing "unnamed sources" and never with names or quotes attached.

 

[Blunt8384]

As I've said many times, I don't put a whole lot of stock in these type of reports, one way or another. The truth of this situation probably lies somewhere in the middle. Did RG3 get a bit big headed after year 1? Probably, and some of that was fueled by Snyder, but some was the national adoration he was receiving. Did he subvert his coaches? Somewhat, but much of that I attribute to youth and inexperience. Was there a rift between him and his WRs? I don't think so, but I do think they, as well as much of the team, got tired of the overexposure of RG3 and became a bit perturbed my some of his statements. Did he brag to his teammates about the special treatment he got? I highly doubt it.

Is RG3 at primary fault in the shanahan downfall? No. This falls on Shanahan. He mishandled the situation, he didn't act like the 30 year NFL Vet he is, but a petulant child that got pissed because he wasn't in the group. He began to perceive everything as a slight and everyone was against him. He probably started rumors.....some based on truth, some not, as a way to deflect his poor performance in coaching. At the end of the day, his performance on the field alone alone speaks for itself.

But lets not forget the Owner. At the end of the day, when all the dust is cleared, he is the constant over the last 15 years of failure of this franchise. He fosters a work environment that is not conducive to success in the NFL. That's the bottom line. Wether its meddling, hiring bad employees, instilling fear and backstabbing as motivation techniques, whatever, he controls this. As long as this environment runs through Redskins Park, success will be fleeting.

Only time will tell but I put 90% of this past seasons failures on the RG3/ Snyder relationship. If RG3 had not been so empowered and put so much pressure on the coaching staff to cater to him there is no way the team only wins 3 games. It was a very TOXIC environment because Snyder allowed it to be toxic by empowering RG3. Wait and see, see if they get Art Briles. None of this is good and I can't be a blind homer any more. As soon as things go wrong RG3 will blame everyone else and roll out via free agency. Leaving the skins with a mess again. But its not RG3's fault really. He's just a punk kid. Snyder is the one who empowers him. And ufortunately Snyder isn't going anywhere..

 

[skinsdad62]

You're insane if you think Sally Jenkins is ever spot on. Washington Post has 4 reporters that all just try to one-up each other. She has been on an RG3 hate trip since August in her reporting, always citing "unnamed sources" and never with names or quotes attached.

what facts does sally jenkins and the anti redskins WP have to support this garbage? briles isnt comimng to Dc and is staying at Baylor would be the 1st thing a i see as wrong

this is what gets me about some of you . RG3 has dinner with an owner and by god he back doors the coach

yet manning can do it with the irsays and nary a word . you morons dont think tom brady and kraft dont see each other at socials ? you dont think football is discussed ? all you csi'ers would jump on that here

and lets go to elway for a hot minute . you think he got his job because he climbed the corporate ladder ? come on he had a relationship with bowlen and under shanny's watch at denver developed durings elways playing days

so i have to listen to unnamed source guy and that is truth ? this is horrible reporting by a blogger . same as the blogs i post with the other view point that are dismissed as "just a blogger " reid , jenkins wise and damn near the hole lot at the WP hate snyder and the skins . shoot one is leading the name change charge

the fact is this hole situation blew up when we were losing and how we were losing . it has nothing to do with RG3 having dinner with an owner and everything to do with the worst coaching staff in the NFL and having about 9 to 10 above avg guys on the team and the rest being also rans

all this other stuff is mostly trying to sell newspapers

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... the whole situation blew up when we started losing and Griffin started pointing fingers and publicly making an issue of it. Manning and Brady would never publicly throw their OC under the bus with comments like, well it just seemed like the defense knew what we were doing. They would never make a comment like well the WRs just couldn't get ope on that play so I had to make a bad throw. Fact is, Griffin did make alot of statements to assert control over the situation over the past season, so you cant blame people for seeing it that way now and suspecting that he did in fact want the coaches fired and might in fact have a slight ego problem. The truth lays some where in the middle, but Griffin does have alot of work to do to restore his own credibility with a portion of the fan base. And after last year he should be questioned to a degree.

 

[j_y19]

Skinsdad... the whole situation blew up when we started losing and Griffin started pointing fingers and publicly making an issue of it. Manning and Brady would never publicly throw their OC under the bus with comments like, well it just seemed like the defense knew what we were doing. They would never make a comment like well the WRs just couldn't get ope on that play so I had to make a bad throw. Fact is, Griffin did make alot of statements to assert control over the situation over the past season, so you cant blame people for seeing it that way now and suspecting that he did in fact want the coaches fired and might in fact have a slight ego problem. The truth lays some where in the middle, but Griffin does have alot of work to do to restore his own credibility with a portion of the fan base. And after last year he should be questioned to a degree.

I have to agree. Dad, you seem to overlook what RG3 actually did and said. He's too smart to make such pointed statements. This is what I base my judgment on, not what some reporter or blogger writes about. You want to sweep his actions under the rug (as well as Snyders). They can't be. They are integral into the disintegration of the relationship. This is not to absolve Shanahan. He took a difficult situation and completely mishandled it due to his huge ego. We can only judge the guy by what he did and said. To me, he made statements that were self protecting while placing blame else where. Now, I do give him a slight benefit of the doubt because he is still a kid. Hopefully he will learn. But in order to learn, he has to realize he made serious gaffes and needs to atone for those mistakes with his teammates and the fans.

 

[Sportster 72]

what facts does sally jenkins and the anti redskins WP have to support this garbage? briles isnt comimng to Dc and is staying at Baylor would be the 1st thing a i see as wrong

this is what gets me about some of you . RG3 has dinner with an owner and by god he back doors the coach

yet manning can do it with the irsays and nary a word . you morons dont think tom brady and kraft dont see each other at socials ? you dont think football is discussed ? all you csi'ers would jump on that here

and lets go to elway for a hot minute . you think he got his job because he climbed the corporate ladder ? come on he had a relationship with bowlen and under shanny's watch at denver developed durings elways playing days

so i have to listen to unnamed source guy and that is truth ? this is horrible reporting by a blogger . same as the blogs i post with the other view point that are dismissed as "just a blogger " reid , jenkins wise and damn near the hole lot at the WP hate snyder and the skins . shoot one is leading the name change charge

the fact is this hole situation blew up when we were losing and how we were losing . it has nothing to do with RG3 having dinner with an owner and everything to do with the worst coaching staff in the NFL and having about 9 to 10 above avg guys on the team and the rest being also rans

all this other stuff is mostly trying to sell newspapers

WOW!!! "you morons" ... really??? From the guy who is supposed to be policing the board. That is pretty sad.

 

[j_y19]

WOW!!! "you morons" ... really??? From the guy who is supposed to be policing the board. That is pretty sad.

I'm OK with it.....Ii am a moron a lot of times

 

[skinsdad62]

I have to agree. Dad, you seem to overlook what RG3 actually did and said. He's too smart to make such pointed statements. This is what I base my judgment on, not what some reporter or blogger writes about. You want to sweep his actions under the rug (as well as Snyders). They can't be. They are integral into the disintegration of the relationship. This is not to absolve Shanahan. He took a difficult situation and completely mishandled it due to his huge ego. We can only judge the guy by what he did and said. To me, he made statements that were self protecting while placing blame else where. Now, I do give him a slight benefit of the doubt because he is still a kid. Hopefully he will learn. But in order to learn, he has to realize he made serious gaffes and needs to atone for those mistakes with his teammates and the fans.

that wasnt the argument you were making earlier . you were saying a player and owner should never socialize

but please tell me what statements did RG3 make that threw his OC under the bus ? that philly KNEW what was coming ? he said that as a compliment to Philly ? That he didnt like running read option plays after he got hurt vs the seahawks in the 2nd half of that game ?

you all think he needs to be some kind of robot and do what is called without question . lets be real here every qb questions some play calls

again i will refer you to the chargers and rivers . if he doesnt feel comfortable with a play whisenhunt pulls it from the playbook seems to me we should jam plays down a guys throat if he doesnt like them

some of you need to look at the formations we had when Rg3 was in . 75% were from tight formations with no spreading of the field at baylor they spread the field more

some of you feel that running the read option was made for Rg3 . it is when he is healthy and explosive , not so much when he wears a knee brace

before our 5 game streak of allowing 25 sacks all i heard was how bad our o/line was . i was ridiculed for saying its was better then we thought by you guys . now my question is how can he throw from the pocket without protection ? why didnt we call boots ? or moving pockets ? all should have suited his skill set very well

i saw games last season when he was given time , he did pass very well from the pocket and went thru progressions . he does need more work at this

lastly i shouldnt have called anyone morons . it gets frustrating sometimes to have blogs that support your positions come off as gospel but when i post others that have a different view its dismissed as "just another blogger " but i shouldnt have called anyone names .

i think the washington sports press corp are some of the worst i have seen in the NFL . just look at when things are released by the press, they are released when they do the MOST damage to the team . i dont see that much from other organizations .

how about Mike Wise people ? when does he ever post anything positive ? i dont expect blind homerism but i dont feel like they should openly root for the teams failure because things arent done the way they feel it should . geez the guy doesnt even like the team name and is purely interested in only being famous

sally jenkins ? when has she researched an article and put real facts on the table ? every single article is from the Unnamed source area . how can you take a story as credible from an "unnamed source" do we the reader know if the guy has an ax to grind ? he could be the janitor for all we know . but instead of verifying anything she just prints it has fact

jason reid . i hate his attitude just looking at him . he hates snyder so no matter what the team does its wrong or we are lucky or some other line of BS that comes from his mouth or written hand

tandler , some times you can swallow him but didnt he block krush because he couldnt win a debate with him ?

how many times do i get to read a splashy headline only to find out its false and you find a retraction on page 19 after they lambasted the person publicly for weeks ?

you wait , i bet no matter what coach we hire it will be wrong . the next player move we make will be a snyder move

if we hire a "name " guy it will be a snyder headline grabber

if we hire an NFL assistant or college coach he will be a snyder lapdog

i see this coming so stay tuned

 

[j_y19]

We've pointed out the statements, tweets, and texts from RG3 and his camp numerous times. I'm not going over them again. As far as questioning plays, that is fine if it is done behind closed doors, not through the press. He knows that. He, and his Dad, made his public statements to make a STATEMENT. He was unhappy with the way he was being used and he wanted to make it known to the public. I guess it was his attempt to pressure Shanahan, kinda like he used the press to pressure him into starting him week 1. Shame on shanahan for succumbing to that pressure. For that, he was wrong and thats when he lost his job.

As for the WAPO reporters, none of them are worth a lick. Don't follow them and don't respect them. In fact, I cancelled my 30+ year subscription primarily due to Wise. Couldn't stand paying that company any money to read that drivel.

 

[skinsdad62]

RG3 voted Redskins' Ed Block Courage Award recipient | Comcast SportsNet Washington

funny the undermining RG3 must be real clever to have his teammates vote for him and this award. his teammates must really hate him for having dinner with snyder and for his father spouting off about his son's use and how Rg3 went to the press to voice displeasure with play calling

 

[skinsdad62]

We've pointed out the statements, tweets, and texts from RG3 and his camp numerous times. I'm not going over them again. As far as questioning plays, that is fine if it is done behind closed doors, not through the press. He knows that. He, and his Dad, made his public statements to make a STATEMENT. He was unhappy with the way he was being used and he wanted to make it known to the public. I guess it was his attempt to pressure Shanahan, kinda like he used the press to pressure him into starting him week 1. Shame on shanahan for succumbing to that pressure. For that, he was wrong and thats when he lost his job.

As for the WAPO reporters, none of them are worth a lick. Don't follow them and don't respect them. In fact, I cancelled my 30+ year subscription primarily due to Wise. Couldn't stand paying that company any money to read that drivel.

you took them one way i took them another . what does that mean ? we have a different point of view . both are just as valid but you hear something one way and i hear it another

 

[j_y19]

you took them one way i took them another . what does that mean ? we have a different point of view . both are just as valid but you hear something one way and i hear it another

I'm fine with that Infact, I hope you are right.

 

[Krusheasy]

The WaPo has quite a few writers.

For every Jenkins article with unnamed sources (Mike Shanahan), there is a Maske article with unnamed sources (Dan Snyder)

It all evens out. Like a large dysfunctional, often psychotic, family.

While we all despise Mike Wise, some of his NBA stuff is actually pretty good.

 

[j_y19]

The WaPo has quite a few writers.

For every Jenkins article with unnamed sources (Mike Shanahan), there is a Maske article with unnamed sources (Dan Snyder)

It all evens out. Like a large dysfunctional, often psychotic, family.

While we all despise Mike Wise, some of his NBA stuff is actually pretty good.

NBA? What's that?

WAPO has an agenda. They've had a war with Snyder since the first few years of his ownership. In my opinion, it skews all of their reporting on the Skins.

 

[skinsdad62]

The Character Assassination of Robert Griffin III

here is the counter to miss jenkins . i hope you read it and read it well . pay particular attention to his level of play .

the alleged power he had

how he isnt in interviews with potential HCs like some of his peers are

how the beloved tannehill got his OC fired

the comparison to cam newton

and most of all , how he wasnt allowed to defend himself against these charges

now i am accused of being a naive rose colored glasses wearing homer with his head buried in the sand but some of you fall into the other category

the category that buys the media BS without looking at all the facts . i bet most of you i can weed out by this simpls statement . you are mad at RG3 because he didnt walk on water and carry the skins on his injured back to the promised land . your expectations were so distorted that you are into the character assassination game . you arent bashing his play nearly as much as you are assaulting his character .