Remember when people said Penn State's punishment was worse than the Death Penalty?

[TexasExes98]

Even having the top classes at signing day doesnt always mean anything just ask programs like Tennessee, Miami, Texas.

Quick trivia question: What do those 3 programs have in the BCS era that Oregon doesn't have?

 

[Codaxx]

Even having the top classes at signing day doesnt always mean anything just ask programs like Tennessee, Miami, Texas.

There is that little stat that no team has won a BCS chanmp without a 4 yr recruiting ranking in the top 10 and only 2 have played in the game (VT and Oregon).

Odds to be All-American by star:
25% 5 star
6.25% 4 star
1.78% 3 star
.78% 2 star

I am thinking I would rather have 25 5 stars than 25 2 stars, but that is just me.

 

[jonvi]

Good for Penn State. It is a fine educational institution. And they will ensure the pain Sandusky caused will never happen again within their borders.

Here's to moving forward and learning from mistakes.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Quick trivia question: What do those 3 programs have in the BCS era that Oregon doesn't have?

Wait a second I think I know this one.....

 

[Innermind]

The next Penn State official NCAA review conducted by George Mitchell is almost upon us. Mitchell's report on Penn State's progress is due in August.

Penn State has two more years of post season bans remaining....however, Mitchell could recommend to the NCAA that those sanctions be lifted. So, there's a chance Penn State could be Bowl eligible this season.

Remember...last year Mitchell's recommendations for reduced scholarship sanctions against PSU be gradually lifted was approved by the NCAA.


Source:

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pennstate/6195925-74/ncaa-penn-state#axzz34Ggdv3Bo

 

[WizardHawk]

I hope that review goes in their favor. My son actually just left the Navy this month and is right now as we speak on the campus of Penn State. He is about to use his GI bill to get his 4 year ride there. Would love for him to get to see some great football while he's there.

Same with every other student and the athletes that play for them. None of them had anything to do with this so why keep up their suffering.

 

[963BUSC]

Worse than death - Penn State alums react to harsh NCAA penalties | www.ajc.com

Tate: Punishment worse than 'death penalty' | News-Gazette.com

Penn State punished worse than the Death Penalty | S.H.E.D.AVENUE

Report: Penn State Will Receive ?Unprecedented Penalties? From The NCAA (UPDATE) | SportsGrid

What NCAA Penalties Mean for Penn State Athletes, Recruits - Schooled in Sports - Education Week

Along with the postseason ban comes a four-year reduction in athletic scholarships for football players, starting with the 2013-14 school year. Penn State will only be allowed to grant 15 new scholarships each season (compared to the maximum of 25) through 2016-17.
Starting in 2014-15 and going through 2017-18, Penn State can only have a total of 65 football players on scholarships, compared to the typical maximum of 85, under the penalties.

The penalties you are linking to are no longer in effect. The links don't really relate to the penalties Penn State is recruiting under.
NCAA modifies sanctions against Penn State, restoring scholarships; may consider lifting bowl ban | Jerry Sandusky Scandal | CentreDaily.com

 

[Olyduck]

Quick trivia question: What do those 3 programs have in the BCS era that Oregon doesn't have?

I wasnt taking digs its just facts. Taking shots at Oregon doesnt disprove the fact that top ranked classes dont mean programs will be good.
tennessee has the first BCS NC continued to bring in top classes and has fallen off the national scene.
Miami may have been a stretch they have had top 15 classes and 1 top 10 lately to the returns of 9-4, 7-5, 6-6, 7-6.
Texas has had top 5 classes up until about 2 years ago and havent had a double digit win season since 2009.

 

[Olyduck]

There is that little stat that no team has won a BCS chanmp without a 4 yr recruiting ranking in the top 10 and only 2 have played in the game (VT and Oregon).

Odds to be All-American by star:
25% 5 star
6.25% 4 star
1.78% 3 star
.78% 2 star

I am thinking I would rather have 25 5 stars than 25 2 stars, but that is just me.

Oregon had a top 10 in 2007 played for the title in the 2010 season.

 

[Codaxx]

Oregon had a top 10 in 2007 played for the title in the 2010 season.

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There is that little stat that no team has won a BCS champ without a 4 yr recruiting ranking in the top 10 and only 2 have played in the game (VT and Oregon).

Notice I mentioned Oregon is one of 2 to play for the title. Evidence is pretty clear that there is a correlation between stars and winning. Team with the higher recruiting class wins 2/3rds of the time. You need coaching and talent to win titles.

 

[bigred472]

The football program should have never been punished anyways. Not surprising the NCAA realized this and gave back scholarships. I'll never forget dumbass Mark Emmert said they, "put football ahead of academic integrity" yet PSU in most years is in the top 10 in graduation rates and the NCAA did next to nothing with UNC when they blatantly put athletics ahead of academic integrity. Surprised the bowl ban hasn't been lifted yet.

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Agreed. The sins of the few are being paid by the innocent. The chancellor, twoof the asst. chancellors, the AD, and maybe the HC. Instead they initially chose to damn any and everything PSU.

 

[Olyduck]

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There is that little stat that no team has won a BCS champ without a 4 yr recruiting ranking in the top 10 and only 2 have played in the game (VT and Oregon).

Notice I mentioned Oregon is one of 2 to play for the title. Evidence is pretty clear that there is a correlation between stars and winning. Team with the higher recruiting class wins 2/3rds of the time. You need coaching and talent to win titles.

Oh sorry I read it wrong.

but out of the teams that played for it with out winning it there are really only about 3 anyway right?

 

[pennstatenut]

 

[Codaxx]

Oh sorry I read it wrong.

but out of the teams that played for it with out winning it there are really only about 3 anyway right?

BCS was 15 years or something like that. That means 28 of the 30. It is a significant number. Remember it is 4 year average, do that doesn't mean you need 4 classes better than top 10 to get there. Eventually someone will beat the odds and break that streak, but I would rather bet with the numbers

 

[MarkOU]

Colt McCoy's wife said on the radio that Texas players were getting paid, not Colt but other players were.

How did I miss that!

Did Colt McCoy?s wife just blow a hole in Texas football? - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports


I've always knew they were cheating mother fuckers, they just have enough money and lawyers to shut people up.

 

[BTHOtu]

I don't ever remember anybody comparing what PSU received from the NCAA to what SMU received. No sanctions will ever trump what SMU received; EVER! The NCAA handed SMU the death penalty in 1986 and immediately shut down their program for the 1987 season. SMU then decided to not play in '88 as well. They were banned from bowl games till '89 and banned from television til '89 (once SMU received the DP, this was the beginning of the end of the SWC). They lost 55 new schollies over 4 years. They couldn't conduct any off campus recruiting until '88. Once they started playing in '89 again, all of their players were walk ons (every single starter was a walk on; think about that one). I remember Houston tried to drop 100 pts on the Ponies that year, beating them 96-21 and Cougar High called a timeout before the game ended to try and score 100. This totally destroyed the SMU football program for 25 years. Ponies didn't make a bowl game until 2009. So no, what PSU received from the NCAA doesn't come close to comparing what SMU received.

...and Andre Ware got on his soap box last year about a certain team and their Heisman QB running up the score having no class...Didn't he win the Heisman that year while Houston beat every team they played by 40-60 points with their 'chuck and duck' offense?

Well, every team except the Pigs and the Ags

Sorry...That dude annoys me.