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I don't care about the resutls of one game. Believing a 14-3 team should not have to travel and play on the road against a 10-7 team is not some wild and crazy idea.
 

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I don't care about the resutls of one game. Believing a 14-3 team should not have to travel and play on the road against a 10-7 team is not some wild and crazy idea.
I can’t wrap my head around this silly little emphasis being placed on winning a division. Divisions are only 4 teams. You’re better than 3 other teams? That’s weird. The Bills were pretty good but think about this. They get to play 6 games against garbage opponents last year. How was winning the AFC East last year anything of value? It was pretty much a measure of “hey, great job on not being absolute garbage like the other 3 teams in the division.” It’s just silly to me.
 

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If winning a division doesn't mean anything there's no reason to have them. If the NFL is going to seed teams purely by record then get rid of divisions, (and divisional rivalries), and give teams a schedule based on opposing teams' records for the previous year.

I'm guessing the fans who want seeding by records over division titles won't want that.
 

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If winning a division doesn't mean anything there's no reason to have them. If the NFL is going to seed teams purely by record then get rid of divisions, (and divisional rivalries), and give teams a schedule based on opposing teams' records for the previous year.

I'm guessing the fans who want seeding by records over division titles won't want that.
No I think it still matters to be division winners. Sorry ass teams hang banners in their stadiums to acknowledge the achievement. But once the playoffs are set like the NCAA they should seed the teams based on merit and not give a team a higher seed because they won the Big Sky Conference.
 
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Technically the Chiefs traded up for the pick they used on Mahomes, so is it Draft, Trade, or both? (Similar for E. Manning & Flacco).

Interesting...

For Mahomes Chiefs traded for the pick, but still drafted Mahomes.

Eli... Chargers actually drafted him if I recall and then traded him to Giants.
 

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If winning a division doesn't mean anything there's no reason to have them. If the NFL is going to seed teams purely by record then get rid of divisions, (and divisional rivalries), and give teams a schedule based on opposing teams' records for the previous year.

I'm guessing the fans who want seeding by records over division titles won't want that.
Divisions are the best way to organize schedules. The best compromise would be to say a division winner is guaranteed to be one of the 7 playoff teams in the conference but seed according to record. I don’t think anyone said a division championship automatically has no value. Sometimes it does. It’s just not an absolute that it has value.
 

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The major advantage in the playoffs is the 1 seed and that takes record into account. If we have another rule thats just record then you might as well throw divisions away and just give everyone a more 'fair schedule'
 
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No I think it still matters to be division winners. Sorry ass teams hang banners in their stadiums to acknowledge the achievement. But once the playoffs are set like the NCAA they should seed the teams based on merit and not give a team a higher seed because they won the Big Sky Conference.

College basketball is a bit different than the NFL.... NFL strives for parity... there is no parity with Power conferences vs smaller conferences in college B-ball.

IMO if have divisions and current formula of preparing the NFL schedule... then winning the division is more important than records.

NFC North went 14-2 vs AFC South last year... exclude the Bears went 12-0 vs AFC South. That is a lot of fluff to pump up the records.
 

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The major advantage in the playoffs is the 1 seed and that takes record into account. If we have another rule thats just record then you might as well throw divisions away and just give everyone a more 'fair schedule'
Yup if you make seeding only on record, divisions become symbolic only. Chiefs for example would quit worrying about Bronco's/Chargers/ Raiders and Eagles vs Cowboys would just be another game and so on. To me those rivalries add a lot to the sport. Those promoting the change want to pretend those rivalries would continue by magic but they won't. Fixing things that aren't broke is simply a bad idea and wish folks would quit bring them up.
 

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Divisions are the best way to organize schedules. The best compromise would be to say a division winner is guaranteed to be one of the 7 playoff teams in the conference but seed according to record. I don’t think anyone said a division championship automatically has no value. Sometimes it does. It’s just not an absolute that it has value.
Why are divisions the best way to organise schedules? Why would the Eagles need to play the Cowboys twice?

The sport is run on absolutes and simple principles that most fans can understand. Subjectivity is frowned upon. It's a penalty or it isn't. Either winning a division is important or it isn't. Which team should qualify for the playoffs, the 10-7 division winner or the 10-7 team that didn't win its division and would otherwise miss the playoffs but which beat the 10-7 division winner and would therefore get the playoff spot on the next tie-breaker? Would this change if the division winner was 8-9 and the potential #8 seed that misses out is 10-7?

Basically, what happens if there are 3 division winners and 2 wild-card teams that win 11+ games but the last 2 spots are between a 8-9 division winner and 2 10-7 teams? I could understand the division winner being top of the 3, (or bottom of the 3), but it would make no sense to have them 2nd of the 3.
 

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Why are divisions the best way to organise schedules? Why would the Eagles need to play the Cowboys twice?
It presents easy scheduling pods so that you can rotate. Here is your intraleague division schedule this year. Here is your inter league division schedule.
The sport is run on absolutes and simple principles that most fans can understand. Subjectivity is frowned upon. It's a penalty or it isn't. Either winning a division is important or it isn't. Which team should qualify for the playoffs, the 10-7 division winner or the 10-7 team that didn't win its division and would otherwise miss the playoffs but which beat the 10-7 division winner and would therefore get the playoff spot on the next tie-breaker? Would this change if the division winner was 8-9 and the potential #8 seed that misses out is 10-7?
The division winner gets the spot. I was saying division winner is guaranteed a playoff spot. If they month get in at 10-7 let the head to head winner host.
Basically, what happens if there are 3 division winners and 2 wild-card teams that win 11+ games but the last 2 spots are between a 8-9 division winner and 2 10-7 teams? I could understand the division winner being top of the 3, (or bottom of the 3), but it would make no sense to have them 2nd of the 3.
 

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Yep...big step for me.
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...The division winner gets the spot. I was saying division winner is guaranteed a playoff spot. If they month get in at 10-7 let the head to head winner host.
Essentially you're saying a 8-9 division winner should get in ahead of a 10-7 non division-winning team but potentially a different 10-7 non division-winning team could end up hosting the 8-9 division winner in the wild-card round. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not consistent.
 

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I can’t wrap my head around this silly little emphasis being placed on winning a division. Divisions are only 4 teams. You’re better than 3 other teams? That’s weird. The Bills were pretty good but think about this. They get to play 6 games against garbage opponents last year. How was winning the AFC East last year anything of value? It was pretty much a measure of “hey, great job on not being absolute garbage like the other 3 teams in the division.” It’s just silly to me.

It's 6 games out of everyone's schedule. It's the biggest emphasis of every team's season. No team knows their opponent better than in a division game.

Really odd that the LIons (with the bye) are worried about other teams' seeding. Any undeserving teams should be weeded in the wildcard round anyway.

I think the single bye is an issue and that almost 1/2 the teams making the playoffs is too much, but I'm sure they'll only add, not remove.
 

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Essentially you're saying a 8-9 division winner should get in ahead of a 10-7 non division-winning team but potentially a different 10-7 non division-winning team could end up hosting the 8-9 division winner in the wild-card round. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's not consistent.
Yeah you can’t come up with any system that is fool proof. Unfortunately, you’ll have some poor teams make the field but now they’ll be seeded 7 instead of seeded 4. This ultimately gives the 5 seed an auto win and that messes up the reseed.
 

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It's 6 games out of everyone's schedule.
It’s not though. Because of the way the NFL schedules it becomes 6 division games, 4 cross over league games, and 4 cross division in the league games that rotate. The divisions are the template used to schedule 14 of the 17 games. Prior year finish impacts the other 3.
It's the biggest emphasis of every team's season. No team knows their opponent better than in a division game.
But that doesn’t mean much if the division you play in is poor.
Really odd that the LIons (with the bye) are worried about other teams' seeding. Any undeserving teams should be weeded in the wildcard round anyway.
I don’t really care who brought the proposal. I’m just trying to assess fairness and the best way of seeding playoff teams.
I think the single bye is an issue and that almost 1/2 the teams making the playoffs is too much, but I'm sure they'll only add, not remove.
Agreed. They’re more likely to add teams than to take them away. I also don’t like one bye. Would almost like to see them add another wild card to have no byes over one bye.
 

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The Rams were 10-7 and the second best team in the NFC. And the postseason showed that to be correct. Keep the way it is. Nobody ferls sorry for you if you don’t win your division. If you were really that good you would do something in the postseason.
 
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