Random FF Thoughts

[SmokingMonkey]

I mean how often do we see players of less talent outperform players with more. Puka Nacua is a perfect example. Do you think he is the best receiver in that class?? Or do you think he went to the perfect team that used him the best??

You going to bring up a stud WR falling way too far into the draft as an example of NFL GMs knowing what they are doing?

Hope you aren't a lawyer or I feel bad for your clients

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Lombardi Lenny is a free agent again - how poetic would it be if the Buc's resigned him and they shock the world? Baker could make more commercials agian!

 

[wilwhite]

I mean how often do we see players of less talent outperform players with more. Puka Nacua is a perfect example. Do you think he is the best receiver in that class?? Or do you think he went to the perfect team that used him the best??

The Rams took him as their eighth pick, though. They didn't know.

 

[averagejoe]

traded three 2nds for essentially the 6th pick of the draft (also completely unrealistically) to draft a running back which would never have happened in real life.

@TREFF would make that RB deal.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You going to bring up a stud WR falling way too far into the draft as an example of NFL GMs knowing what they are doing?

Hope you aren't a lawyer or I feel bad for your clients

maybe you missed my point... I wasn't using it to show that GMs knowing what they are doing, I was using it to show there is a difference between the right move ON DRAFT day, and how results can later on say something different... Results are actually a LIE... we look at results to answer things... but ignore that at that specific time if it was the BEST move...

its easy to say GMs don't know what they are doing... but nobody can tell the future... all their job is, is to make the best decision at the time they have to make a decision...

the problem almost always that ownership, GM,coaching, and current team strengths are not on the same page... which is really on the ownership IMO not the GMs...

If the Coaching is too stubborn to use the players correctly, is that on the GM??

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The Rams took him as their eighth pick, though. They didn't know.

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make too... and since I am 0 for 2 on people understanding my point, then that clearly means I did an awful job making my point...

I was commenting that it is not fair to say GMs know shit... and I was using the number one rookie WR as an example... because as you stated, nobody knew he was going to be good... if they did he would have been drafted earlier... but that doesn't make it WRONG that he fell so far...

 

[SteelersPride]

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make too... and since I am 0 for 2 on people understanding my point, then that clearly means I did an awful job making my point...

I was commenting that it is not fair to say GMs know shit... and I was using the number one rookie WR as an example... because as you stated, nobody knew he was going to be good... if they did he would have been drafted earlier... but that doesn't make it WRONG that he fell so far...

People forget guys are still developing. Or they werent used correctly in college and get to the nfl and new coach/scheme and boom the secret sauce is unlocked.

 

[TREFF]

traded three 2nds for essentially the 6th pick of the draft (also completely unrealistically) to draft a running back which would never have happened in real life.

Ditka... wasnt three number twos, but it was worse

@TREFF would make that RB deal.

Damn right I would, fantasy or reality. Case in point, if the Dolphins had a real RB, not a collection of track stars pretending to be RB's, perhaps the win that frozen game. If Philly had a real RB amd not a collection of scat backs, maybe they have something to lean on when their QB breaks his finger and falls apart.
Nothing wrong with having a great talent to give the ball to 25+ times and control a game, its a better plan than 'let's let Joe Flacco throw it 45 times'

Now come on SF, win the super bowl by giving CMAC 30 touches...please

 

[wilwhite]

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make too... and since I am 0 for 2 on people understanding my point, then that clearly means I did an awful job making my point...

I was commenting that it is not fair to say GMs know shit... and I was using the number one rookie WR as an example... because as you stated, nobody knew he was going to be good... if they did he would have been drafted earlier... but that doesn't make it WRONG that he fell so far...

Well, let's say that GMs really do know their shit, that they're expect fecologists. You would identify Nacua as fitting your team and make sure you got him, meaning you wouldn't take him as your eighth pick.

The fact is, GMs are generally poor at identifying talent in the draft, or poor at understanding their team, or both. They're better than I would be, but I'd be horrible. Basically if you created a dumb formula based on:

• How big a name their school is
• How big their numbers are
• How they did in the combine

and trade picks around to aim for positions of need, you'd probably do just as well.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

All GMs aren't bad but there's a ton of guys in positions due to being buddies with the owner that don't know what they're doing, and back to the movie - they make fun of the Jags for having a bad front office and dial them up to trick them or use them as leverage or whatever *I forget the exact plot line

 

[SmokingMonkey]

The Rams took him as their eighth pick, though. They didn't know.

They knew they had something, but no one could've predicted that type of success, he wasn't just the top rookie WR this season he was breaking all-time rookie WR records

 

[TREFF]

A big part of the overall issue is that, for the most part, you can still 'out athlete' in college football. These kids, many of them, often many of the ones who are putting up the big numbers, crushing the combine, are simply just better athletes than everyone else on the feild in college, but aren't great football players, especially once that playing feild is leveled out and everyone is an excellent athlete.

It's hard to get a good evaluation on guys that are just running past, through or around everyone. And you can never see into a kids mind and heart, just have to hope they haven't filled you full of shit in the interviews. And I don't think that's necessarily an indicator of a great or a horrible GM, it's just what it is.

Guys like Puka, and Kupp, they are not the best athletes on that feild, but they're damned good, and they have the mindset, the dedication and the drive to take that 'damned good athlete' and be great football players

History is littered with busts who had all the physical capabilities they'd ever need, at every position, they just didn't have the mindset, the dedication, the heart... whatever... and you simply cannot make that determination until the kid is on your roster for awhile.

 

[averagejoe]

Now come on SF, win the super bowl by giving CMAC 30 touches...please

Kinda hoping for a BUF vs DET SB.

 

[TREFF]

Kinda hoping for a BUF vs DET SB.

I can get on board with that. Detriot invested heavily in RB's ..go Lions

 

[averagejoe]

History is littered with busts who had all the physical capabilities they'd ever need, at every position, they just didn't have the mindset, the dedication, the heart... whatever...

But how come they always seem to end up on the Bears?

 

[TREFF]

But how come they always seem to end up on the Bears?

man, I wish JaMarcus Russel ended up with the Bears. Sadly, every QB in that draft ended up being terrible, so it wouldn't have been all that helpful as they would've taken one of them #1 overall anyways. Career clipboard holder Drew Stanton was probably the only notable NFL career..maybe Trent Edwards or Kevin Kolb, depending on if longevity or short spurt of success is your measuring stick.

But they could've had Megatron, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson!!! UGH!

 

[averagejoe]

man, I wish JaMarcus Russel ended up with the Bears. Sadly, every QB in that draft ended up being terrible, so it wouldn't have been all that helpful as they would've taken one of them #1 overall anyways. Career clipboard holder Drew Stanton was probably the only notable NFL career..maybe Trent Edwards or Kevin Kolb, depending on if longevity or short spurt of success is your measuring stick.

But they could've had Megatron, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson!!! UGH!

Like you said, I don't know what questions they ask, or what metrics they look at... but a lot of GM's get it wrong. Even the good ones.

Heard a blurb earlier in the season, 1 reason Stroud did not go #1 overall is because he scored horribly on that QB cognitive test (forget what it's called). Guess Young did better.

 

[Barilko]

Kinda hoping for a BUF vs DET SB.

Hey!

 

[TREFF]

Like you said, I don't know what questions they ask, or what metrics they look at... but a lot of GM's get it wrong. Even the good ones.

Heard a blurb earlier in the season, 1 reason Stroud did not go #1 overall is because he scored horribly on that QB cognitive test (forget what it's called). Guess Young did better.

The wunderlick (sp?)

SAdly, I do believe the wunderlick has a better success rate than NFL GM's, but not by much

 

[Barilko]

Like you said, I don't know what questions they ask, or what metrics they look at... but a lot of GM's get it wrong. Even the good ones.

Heard a blurb earlier in the season, 1 reason Stroud did not go #1 overall is because he scored horribly on that QB cognitive test (forget what it's called). Guess Young did better.

Well the Football Gods were so impressed with Houston hitting 2 fourth downs on their last drive against Indy in 2022 ...and then converting the 2 pt conversion to win the game ...which of course bumped The Texans to number 2....that they willed Carolina to pas on CJ