Random FF Thoughts

[TREFF]

I'm not wishing any ill will on anyone, but I avoided Richardson deliberately. How can a guy connect on 43% of his passes in a non-NFL environment and expect to be better in the NFL?

I'm pretty much with ya Joe. It's a HUGE leap of faith to assume this kid is a viable NFL starter. Just because Lamar gets by without being a plus passer, just because Justin Fields does just good enough and runs around like crazy, just because Hurts figured it out and became a better passer..is not guarantee that you go get a great athlete and turn him into an NFL QB. This dude will make all three of those guys look like Tom Brady in comparison as far as passing skills go. He has a TON of work to do, and in the meantime, the Colts will have to build a system very similar to, but to an even greater degree, to what the Ravens did with Lamar, what the Eagles did with Hurts as a rook, and what the Bears showed with Fields last year.

Now that doesn't mean that in the meantime, he won't put up nice fantasy stats..cuz he'll probably have plenty of 100+ yard rushing games, and rushing scores galore, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a QB, or at least one that'll be around for long

 

[averagejoe]

I'm pretty much with ya Joe. It's a HUGE leap of faith to assume this kid is a viable NFL starter. Just because Lamar gets by without being a plus passer, just because Justin Fields does just good enough and runs around like crazy, just because Hurts figured it out and became a better passer..is not guarantee that you go get a great athlete and turn him into an NFL QB. This dude will make all three of those guys look like Tom Brady in comparison as far as passing skills go. He has a TON of work to do, and in the meantime, the Colts will have to build a system very similar to, but to an even greater degree, to what the Ravens did with Lamar, what the Eagles did with Hurts as a rook, and what the Bears showed with Fields last year.

Now that doesn't mean that in the meantime, he won't put up nice fantasy stats..cuz he'll probably have plenty of 100+ yard rushing games, and rushing scores galore, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a QB, or at least one that'll be around for long

Its a good argument.
But 43% dude.
How many negative -2 fantasy points will he rack up when those other 57% of his passes end up in the defense's hands?

 

[TKOSpikes]

I'm not wishing any ill will on anyone, but I avoided Richardson deliberately. How can a guy connect on 43% of his passes in a non-NFL environment and expect to be better in the NFL?

Practice (and coaching… and o line)

Same was said of Josh (not 43%, but still).

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Its a good argument.
But 43% dude.
How many negative -2 fantasy points will he rack up when those other 57% of his passes end up in the defense's hands?

It's 53% Joe, not 43%. Mahomes first year in college was 56.8%, Lamar 54.7%.

 

[broncosmitty]

It's 53% Joe, not 43%. Mahomes first year in college was 56.8%, Lamar 54.7%.

Burrow was 57.8.

Stafford was 52.7.

 

[TREFF]

Its a good argument.
But 43% dude.
How many negative -2 fantasy points will he rack up when those other 57% of his passes end up in the defense's hands?

well be it 43 or 53..one POV could be, that if your THAT bad, accuracy-wise, that there may not be defenders in the general area either

 

[TREFF]

Practice (and coaching… and o line)

Same was said of Josh (not 43%, but still).

Josh Allen was 56 and 56.3 -- and yes that was his big knock.

and your dead on right. If the kid has the heart, desire, and work ethic...fixing footwork, throwing motion, release, and having a strong grasp on not just your playbook and the offense, but also having the ability to be confident in reading a defense, knowing what route is going to be open once your plant foot hits the ground so you can step back 1, 2, 3, cock and fire without needing to see it first, that's all coachable. That'll all do wonders for accuracy.

And that's why QB's are such a nightmare to project. Does the kid have that sort of work ethic, and if he does, does he have the mental capacity to retain and execute it all? Stuff that just can't be measured or projected

 

[eaglesnut]

Obviously I need to see this show..but I refuse to give anything from Apple a single penny

I made my wife get it. My money is for blow and hookers.

 

[eaglesnut]

I dunno, I really liked Seasons 1 and 2, and the first two episodes of Season 3 were so boring and predictable I can barely remember what happened. And as you can tell I haven't exactly leaped to watch the next episode (as I always did before).

I've heard it gets better.

Last night's was pretty entertaining, and i posted earlier about being meh on season 3

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

I’m not taking a QB at #3 overall- not this year anyway.

None of those guys have “stud” written all over them, like a P. Manning or Luck, etc.

And I have Hurts, so I would only play him on the bye week. That would be a waste of the #3 pick. This isn’t a super flex league where you need another stud QB.

So, really it comes down to which RB do you guys think is worth #3, or which WR do you feel has the best situation to be drafted before the others?

Other option is to try and trade, but like someone mentioned, without that clear cut #3 guy, who is going to want to trade for it?

 

[eaglesnut]

I’m not taking a QB at #3 overall- not this year anyway.

None of those guys have “stud” written all over them, like a P. Manning or Luck, etc.

And I have Hurts, so I would only play him on the bye week. That would be a waste of the #3 pick. This isn’t a super flex league where you need another stud QB.

So, really it comes down to which RB do you guys think is worth #3, or which WR do you feel has the best situation to be drafted before the others?

Other option is to try and trade, but like someone mentioned, without that clear cut #3 guy, who is going to want to trade for it?

Take Addison. He could light it up right away. Opening at starting WR on a good passing offense with a ton of attention to the #1. He has a high ceiling right out of the gate.

You won't use Richardson (could be good trade bait later in the year though) and you can use 5 WRs in your lineup.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I’m not taking a QB at #3 overall- not this year anyway.

None of those guys have “stud” written all over them, like a P. Manning or Luck, etc.

And I have Hurts, so I would only play him on the bye week. That would be a waste of the #3 pick. This isn’t a super flex league where you need another stud QB.

So, really it comes down to which RB do you guys think is worth #3, or which WR do you feel has the best situation to be drafted before the others?

Other option is to try and trade, but like someone mentioned, without that clear cut #3 guy, who is going to want to trade for it?

Addison has the opportunity to start across from Jefferson. JSN will play as a slot WR but with Lockett and Metcalf playing he may not get the targets Addison could. None of the RB are worth the #3, they all are going to be backups/depth for the NFL team that drafted them and will need an injury or something to really get the touches needed IMO.

 

[TREFF]

I’m not taking a QB at #3 overall- not this year anyway.

None of those guys have “stud” written all over them, like a P. Manning or Luck, etc.

And I have Hurts, so I would only play him on the bye week. That would be a waste of the #3 pick. This isn’t a super flex league where you need another stud QB.

So, really it comes down to which RB do you guys think is worth #3, or which WR do you feel has the best situation to be drafted before the others?

Other option is to try and trade, but like someone mentioned, without that clear cut #3 guy, who is going to want to trade for it?

Well to my eyes, the third best RB in this class was Tajae Spears, without question, but he landed behind Henry. Then, Kendre Miller, but that's dependant on the whole Kamara situation, plus J. Williams new to town. Then, it was R. Johnson in Chicago, he'll be behind Herbert and Foreman. Then I had Kenny McIntosh, who somehow landed behind Kenny Walker and Zach Charbonnet- who is a garden slug, how the F he has everyone fooled is beyond me. And then it was virtually everyone else in a 12 way tie for second to last, then it was Charbonnet.


None of the above currently have a great path to touches anytime soon. I wouldn't draft any of them before I would take Ngiba, Johnston or Addison..or Richardson.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Well to my eyes, the third best RB in this class was Tajae Spears, without question, but he landed behind Henry. Then, Kendre Miller, but that's dependant on the whole Kamara situation, plus J. Williams new to town. Then, it was R. Johnson in Chicago, he'll be behind Herbert and Foreman. Then I had Kenny McIntosh, who somehow landed behind Kenny Walker and Zach Charbonnet- who is a garden slug, how the F he has everyone fooled is beyond me. And then it was virtually everyone else in a 12 way tie for second to last, then it was Charbonnet.


None of the above currently have a great path to touches anytime soon. I wouldn't draft any of them before I would take Ngiba, Johnston or Addison..or Richardson.

I actually really like Johnson, but being behind Foreman and Herbert is not good, at least for this season.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

A lot of players went to situations that aren’t great ( at least for this year ).

JSN was the best WR in the class, but he goes to a team with 2 good WR’s already and a QB that’s had 1 decent season since being drafted.

Outside of the first 2 RB’s, same thing occurred.

It makes the #3 pick very tricky.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Well to my eyes, the third best RB in this class was Tajae Spears, without question, but he landed behind Henry.

I try to steer away from "injury prone" tags on players, as it isn't statistically accurate or predictable, but tearing the same ACL 2x in college feels like an injury waiting to happen in the NFL. Maybe science and medicine have fixed that, but seems scary. Without looking up any data, I feel like we've seen an increase in non-contact injuries over the last 5-10yrs too, but that could just be memory bias.

 

[averagejoe]

I actually really like Johnson, but being behind Foreman and Herbert is not good, at least for this season.

The word locally is that the Bears will use the committee and hot hand approach.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

The word locally is that the Bears will use the committee and hot hand approach.

I think they were looking for a compliment to Herbert to keep him fresh and take the short yardage grind off his plate and took a shot in FA and the draft to find that guy. Anyone with eyes saw that Herbert has some pop in his game, and the data/stats back it up, so I'm guessing he'll get first crack but Foreman/Johnson could easily steal the GL work.

Incumbent: 5'9", 212lbs
FA acquisition: 6'0", 235lbs
Rookie: 6'1", 225lbs

 

[averagejoe]

If we're speculating on RB, to me the guy to watch is Devon Achane in Miami.
He has 31-year old Mostert, and 27-year old Jeff Wilson ahead of him, not to mention a host of do-nothings as depth.

 

[TREFF]

I try to steer away from "injury prone" tags on players, as it isn't statistically accurate or predictable, but tearing the same ACL 2x in college feels like an injury waiting to happen in the NFL. Maybe science and medicine have fixed that, but seems scary. Without looking up any data, I feel like we've seen an increase in non-contact injuries over the last 5-10yrs too, but that could just be memory bias.

I'm more concerned with the whisper of him not actually having an ACL. If true, imagine what he could do if he had one?. But, if it ain't there, he's not gonna tear it again, right?
Injury prone? I'm a believer in the term, in general. But it's more about the soft tissue stuff for me when that comes up. The hammy strains/tears, turf toe, strained/torn quad, stuff like that. When the same dude continously has something like that going on (KJ Hamler), those dudes I consider to be injury prone. When it's broken bones, or torn ACL/MCL's, a torn achillies, I usually just go with, 'shit happens'. No idea if that's accurate for me to do, but it helps me sleep at night