Rams reaping rewards from Griffin trade

[SonnyCID]

Oh...so you believe the NFL will tell a team before it drops the hammer on them??? Really??


So before all the Bounty gate stuff...how much notice did the Saints get knwoing that the shit was gonna be hitting the fan??

The NFL doesnt run anything by anyone....The NFL makes a decesion and acts...those affected will find out after the NFL reacts......I dont think they had any indication this was coming down the line...


You are posative they knew.....HOW???? I would love to know who you ahve on the inside give you your info...... Or maybe it is just your uneducated, Biased opinion??

NFLPA agreed to Cowboys/Redskins salary cap sanctions | ProFootballTalk

Here is one from the 12th.

Of course they knew that the NFL was investigating it. Bountygate was a story before that investigation was completed and sanctions came down too.

On March 12th, the final decision was made because that was when the NFLPA agreed with the NFL on the sanctions. So you really believe that these two entities were working this out and the Skins and Cowboys were just babes in the woods through the whole process? Please... The RG3 trade was a desperation move by a team that knew that they couldn't splurge like usual for a few years.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I'm not sure the Rickey Williams trade wasn't a lesser price than RGIII - only Walker is worse.

And, for the 'but RGIII is pretty good' arguments: I agree, he looks like he could be pretty good. Herschel Walker was pretty good I Minnesota too, but the team had traded away all of the other decent players in order to get him and it didn't matter.

This one was basically banking on Washington instantly becoming and staying as a top-10 team to make the other two #1 picks reasonable. Based on history, especially with the franchise under Danny, on the stupid side of optimistic. Figuring you would need a year or two to develop your QB and you were trading away two more top-15 picks was much more realistic.

And, #6, two more top-15 picks, and #39 is waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much for anything but a future Hall of Famer. After all, two low #1 picks is the price of Jay ****ler, so if you just want a 10-year starter at QB who is a bit above average, go trade for him or his equivalent instead of gutting the team's future on a roll of the dice.

The 6th and 1st cancel out...the trade really starts with #39 and beyond...I do agree with you that '13 & '14 1st rounders WAS thought would be in the 20s somewhere...they were correct on '13, obviously not '14.

You're correct that WAS erred by thinking the team would immediately be a playoff caliber with a young QB. But looking at PIT & SEA (won SBs with a 2nd yr QB), IND b-t-b playoffs with Luck...I understand some of this happened after the trade, but was it totally out of the realm for them to think that way?

In hindsight...if WAS knew they would be handing over the #2 pick of this '14 draft in addition to #39, and #22 in '13...would they do this deal? Mostly likely they would not. If they knew on the front end they would be swapping 6 for 1, and giving up 39, 22, & 2...yes, you want a PB caliber player at the very least.

Conclusion...imo 10 yr starters @ QB are very rare in the NFL and they are normally better than "a bit above average". Given it's the most important position in team sports, that would justify the trade in my mind.

 

[Naughtymax]

The 6th and 1st cancel out...the trade really starts with #39 and beyond...I do agree with you that '13 & '14 1st rounders WAS thought would be in the 20s somewhere...they were correct on '13, obviously not '14.

You're correct that WAS erred by thinking the team would immediately be a playoff caliber with a young QB. But looking at PIT & SEA (won SBs with a 2nd yr QB), IND b-t-b playoffs with Luck...I understand some of this happened after the trade, but was it totally out of the realm for them to think that way?

In hindsight...if WAS knew they would be handing over the #2 pick of this '14 draft in addition to #39, and #22 in '13...would they do this deal? Mostly likely they would not. If they knew on the front end they would be swapping 6 for 1, and giving up 39, 22, & 2...yes, you want a PB caliber player at the very least.

Conclusion...imo 10 yr starters @ QB are very rare in the NFL and they are normally better than "a bit above average". Given it's the most important position in team sports, that would justify the trade in my mind.

Straight up, I gotta say: The Steelers have 6 Superbowls because they don't make bonehead trades like this to try for the quick fix.

AND, no starter short of a HOF QB is worth 3 high picks and a second-rounder. I MIGHT have considered mortgaging the farm for Andrew Luck (the only QB since Peyton Manning who has looked like a future HOF player coming out of college), but RGIII was and still is much more of a roll of the dice. For that, trade the two #1 picks and get the Cutler-type QB.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Straight up, I gotta say: The Steelers have 6 Superbowls because they don't make bonehead trades like this to try for the quick fix.

AND, no starter short of a HOF QB is worth 3 high picks and a second-rounder. I MIGHT have considered mortgaging the farm for Andrew Luck (the only QB since Peyton Manning who has looked like a future HOF player coming out of college), but RGIII was and still is much more of a roll of the dice. For that, trade the two #1 picks and get the Cutler-type QB.

Was it a quick fix, or do you think they were just desperate for some stability at the position? Keep in mind you have to go back to the early 90s (20+ yrs) to find a QB (Rypien) that started for more than 3 seasons in WAS, they've had a lot of QBs start games there since '91.

RG3 was definitely more of a project than Luck...more downside risk etc. but he also offered a lot of upside potential, and to date we've seen a bit of both. Same thing with Luck really...this was not a great year for him , only he's been taking all the snaps and they did make the playoffs b-t-b years.

We're on the same page here I think...WAS made a huge investment to get one player, and that is always risky in the ultimate team sport...the difference I think is you have more of a hindsight view than I do...if RG3 doesn't get hurt and they have another 10-6 type season we're probably not looking at this in the same light. But, he did get hurt, season went bust and it's a bigger deal because STL has a super high pick.