Rams reaping rewards from Griffin trade

[Jakology]

Yeah, I'm not gonna count last season against RGIII. The return was rushed, because the Redskins wanted to compete, and they knew it was not gonna happen with Cousins. I feel bad for whoever ends up with Cousins. The numbers on Cousins: 8 games played. 114 of 203, 1,320 yards, 56.2%, 8 TDs, 14 Turnovers. The guy is pedestrian.

So we'll see how RGIII performs next season with the new coaching staff. There will be no excuse then. If he continues to struggle, then you guys will have every right to say that he isn't worth what they gave up for him. He should be able to work his way back to a very healthy state and be able to play at a high level again next season. I have faith in him.

 

[SonnyCID]

There will not be a talent close to RG3's level to come out in the next few years. He was not worth passing up.

Who cares? Teams have been winning championships with less "talented" QBs since the game's inception. It is a team game, you know?

And besides, it wouldn't have been "passing him up" since the pick wasn't theirs to begin with. The Rams are the ones that passed him up. The Skins gave up a lot of valuable resources that they truly needed in order to get him. If he was a guy that could take a beating while they sorted out all of the issues around him, like Luck, then I would agree that it would be the right move. But this dude is fragile and may not survive the team being built.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Who cares? Teams have been winning championships with less "talented" QBs since the game's inception. It is a team game, you know?

And besides, it wouldn't have been "passing him up" since the pick wasn't theirs to begin with. The Rams are the ones that passed him up. The Skins gave up a lot of valuable resources that they truly needed in order to get him. If he was a guy that could take a beating while they sorted out all of the issues around him, like Luck, then I would agree that it would be the right move. But this dude is fragile and may not survive the team being built.

Yes, they have, but you can probably count them on one hand. Clear to me SEA got lucky with a talent such as RW. His field savvy, awareness is unique for a 2nd yr player.

RG3 is not durable...Idk...the hit that blew his knee out likely blows out anyone's knee. But you still have a good point...RG3 got banged up imo solely because he was somewhat wreckless ( not sliding, getting out of bounds, etc.)...I don't care if you have a build like Newton or Luck, you can't keep taking full contact shots in the NFL and last more than one contract.

 

[SonnyCID]

Yes, they have, but you can probably count them on one hand. Clear to me SEA got lucky with a talent such as RW. His field savvy, awareness is unique for a 2nd yr player.

RG3 is not durable...Idk...the hit that blew his knee out likely blows out anyone's knee. But you still have a good point...RG3 got banged up imo solely because he was somewhat wreckless ( not sliding, getting out of bounds, etc.)...I don't care if you have a build like Newton or Luck, you can't keep taking full contact shots in the NFL and last more than one contract.

I meant that teams have been winning with less physically gifted QBs than RG3 forever. JDM makes it sound as if going all in on RG3's talent was the only hope for the skins.

As far as the durability, he had the same issues at Baylor. I agree with you, no QB will make a career out of getting banged around. But when you draft someone high you have to know that your team is not very well rounded and they are going to take a beating, if you forfeit a bunch of resources, the beating will likely last even longer.

 

[Lonewate44]

I meant that teams have been winning with less physically gifted QBs than RG3 forever. JDM makes it sound as if going all in on RG3's talent was the only hope for the skins.

As far as the durability, he had the same issues at Baylor. I agree with you, no QB will make a career out of getting banged around. But when you draft someone high you have to know that your team is not very well rounded and they are going to take a beating, if you forfeit a bunch of resources, the beating will likely last even longer.

I agree with that, but you keep blasting them for what they gave up and nobody is saying it wasnt alot...saying they didnt have the resources to build around him because if it, which is true...but I have said it before, and younever really seam to answer this part, or adress this part.....


I am sure they had a plan in place when they made the trade to get more players around him....and AFTER the trade...just a day before FA they got hit with a 36MIL cap hit......Dont you think that hurt their plans??? If they had that extra 18Mil a year for 2 years......that could have really put more talent around him, enough to offset the loss of those picks.....and now look....no 1st this year, but they have 30 Million to spend on FA.......I would guess they will be able to do something about getting more talent... and Proven talent at that, and not risking on an UNPROVEN rookie....

and before you say it.....this teamhas not gone hog wild for over the hill FA in a long time....

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I meant that teams have been winning with less physically gifted QBs than RG3 forever. JDM makes it sound as if going all in on RG3's talent was the only hope for the skins.

As far as the durability, he had the same issues at Baylor. I agree with you, no QB will make a career out of getting banged around. But when you draft someone high you have to know that your team is not very well rounded and they are going to take a beating, if you forfeit a bunch of resources, the beating will likely last even longer.

A lot of people have blasted the 'Skins under the ownership of Snyder...a lot of it well earned...but, after wading through McNabb, Rex Grossman, Beck, Campbell, etc. (the last guy to start more than 3 seasosn was Rypien) ...they were likely desperate for some stability at the QB position....Shanahan wanted Manning...when that fell thru they obviously targeted RG3 whom they knew CLE was interested in...WAS just beat them to the punch.

My thinking here...regardless of what happens in STL, if RG3 is a long (6 to 10 yrs) term starter in WAS...the trade worked out well for the Skins...if they're drafting, signing a FA, or trading for a new QB within 5 yrs...it didn't. I think it's that clear.

You're pretty clear in your position as well, maybe you felt this way prior to the trade, but certainly from a hindsight perspective you're right on point...I just think the judgement phase of this trade is not now.

 

[JDM]

I meant that teams have been winning with less physically gifted QBs than RG3 forever. JDM makes it sound as if going all in on RG3's talent was the only hope for the skins.

As far as the durability, he had the same issues at Baylor. I agree with you, no QB will make a career out of getting banged around. But when you draft someone high you have to know that your team is not very well rounded and they are going to take a beating, if you forfeit a bunch of resources, the beating will likely last even longer.

To be a consistent contender, you more or less need an elite QB. You can be a very good team for a couple years without one, but to do it for any length of time you have to have a top of the line QB. The position is multiple times more important than any other.

 

[Clayton]

To be a consistent contender, you more or less need an elite QB. You can be a very good team for a couple years without one, but to do it for any length of time you have to have a top of the line QB. The position is multiple times more important than any other.

By your definition of elite, though, RG3 isnt an elite QB.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

relied on his legs his first year huh??? so his arm and head had nothing to do with setting the rookie record for highest passer rating of 102.4? all his legs huh? I would say he can throw the ball accurately, if given the time, and not having to rehab the entire offseason....

I never said he can't throw but he ran WAY TO MUCH.. Took way to many hits and got injured because of it… Read option was a big player for the Skins that year…

 

[Naughtymax]

A lot of people have blasted the 'Skins under the ownership of Snyder...a lot of it well earned...but, after wading through McNabb, Rex Grossman, Beck, Campbell, etc. (the last guy to start more than 3 seasosn was Rypien) ...they were likely desperate for some stability at the QB position....Shanahan wanted Manning...when that fell thru they obviously targeted RG3 whom they knew CLE was interested in...WAS just beat them to the punch.

My thinking here...regardless of what happens in STL, if RG3 is a long (6 to 10 yrs) term starter in WAS...the trade worked out well for the Skins...if they're drafting, signing a FA, or trading for a new QB within 5 yrs...it didn't. I think it's that clear.

You're pretty clear in your position as well, maybe you felt this way prior to the trade, but certainly from a hindsight perspective you're right on point...I just think the judgement phase of this trade is not now.

Anyone who would trade away the #6 pick in the draft, a future #22, #39, and #2 for a starting QB deserves the losing they will experience. Waaaaaaaaaaaay too high a price - one extra #1 pick would have gotten it done, but Danny Boy had to bid against himself. To make the trade worthwhile, RGIII must be a Hall of Fame QB or win two SBs. Otherwise lopsided by a wide margin.

 

[cdumler7]

Anyone who would trade away the #6 pick in the draft, a future #22, #39, and #2 for a starting QB deserves the losing they will experience. Waaaaaaaaaaaay too high a price - one extra #1 pick would have gotten it done, but Danny Boy had to bid against himself. To make the trade worthwhile, RGIII must be a Hall of Fame QB or win two SBs. Otherwise lopsided by a wide margin.

Actually pretty sure that there were at least a few teams trying for that pick causing the value to keep going up. Heck there was another team that offered 3 #1 picks and a #2 just like that of the Redskins so again it wasn't like they were just bidding against themselves.

Now as for the cost. Obviously it was a steep price. Like others have said if RGIII becomes a very good starter for the next 10 years for the Redskins and say they win a Superbowl then the trade was worth it. If he is out of the league at the end of his first contract or moved onto another city then yeah it was a major bust. He got them to the playoffs his 1st year and should have won a playoff game if not for injury and because of that injury he just was never quite ready for his 2nd year. We shall see when he is finally fully healthy again what type of player he is.

As for him running too much I don't think it was that he ran too much it was just that he fought too much for those extra yards meaning he took some extra hits. He just has to learn to fight another play by just getting down. I would say some of the read option stuff should go away but I would still keep it in the playbook as it still makes teams have to prepare for it to happen at any point in the game. I would maybe only use it once or twice a game but it is still a very nice weapon to have in the bag.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I wish folks would keep in mind, he had nothing to do with what the organization gave up for him.
Also, no one can deny the Rams...as far as the deal goes regarding picks...got the better offer.
At this time IMO...there is no clear cut winner in the deal because RGIII had suffered another serious injury despite electrifying the league as rookie.
The Rams have gathered a ton of talent...but continue to suffer injuries throughout the season.
They are also in "The NEW NFC EAST" or what many consider the best division in football.
I don't care who the Rams draft, if RGIII is healthy...along with our FA additions....we will have a better season then them.

 

[Clayton]

I don't care who the Rams draft, if RGIII is healthy...along with our FA additions....we will have a better season then them.

Thats pretty much what this whole thread is about. People arguing against the trade don't believe he can stay healthy.

 

[Jakology]

I'm just saying to give him this season. If he can't play well in his 3rd season, after having another offseason to get healthy and get better, then the trade was won by the Rams. At this point, I don't think its fair to judge the trade.

 

[SonnyCID]

I agree with that, but you keep blasting them for what they gave up and nobody is saying it wasnt alot...saying they didnt have the resources to build around him because if it, which is true...but I have said it before, and younever really seam to answer this part, or adress this part.....


I am sure they had a plan in place when they made the trade to get more players around him....and AFTER the trade...just a day before FA they got hit with a 36MIL cap hit......Dont you think that hurt their plans??? If they had that extra 18Mil a year for 2 years......that could have really put more talent around him, enough to offset the loss of those picks.....and now look....no 1st this year, but they have 30 Million to spend on FA.......I would guess they will be able to do something about getting more talent... and Proven talent at that, and not risking on an UNPROVEN rookie....

and before you say it.....this teamhas not gone hog wild for over the hill FA in a long time....

Look at the dates. RG3 was traded for on March 12 and the violations came down the next day. And I'm positive that the Skins knew about the pending violations before then.

Washington Redskins acquire No. 2 overall pick from St. Louis Rams - ESPN
Sources -- Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins lose millions in cap space - ESPN

 

[JDM]

By your definition of elite, though, RG3 isnt an elite QB.

He will be very soon.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Anyone who would trade away the #6 pick in the draft, a future #22, #39, and #2 for a starting QB deserves the losing they will experience. Waaaaaaaaaaaay too high a price - one extra #1 pick would have gotten it done, but Danny Boy had to bid against himself. To make the trade worthwhile, RGIII must be a Hall of Fame QB or win two SBs. Otherwise lopsided by a wide margin.

You have a crystal ball or something? I'm not following...the only known picks WAS traded was #6, and #39.

Waaaaaaaay too much? Who are we trying to kid, of course it was very expensive...but you do realize this trade did not set any precedents right? Saints traded their whole draft for Rickey Williams, the Hershel deal to MIN trump this.

Also CLE was a serious bidder here ( actually was a better offer), they weren't bidding against themselves. The worthwhile part of your post is grandstanding I take it.

 

[Naughtymax]

You have a crystal ball or something? I'm not following...the only known picks WAS traded was #6, and #39.

Waaaaaaaay too much? Who are we trying to kid, of course it was very expensive...but you do realize this trade did not set any precedents right? Saints traded their whole draft for Rickey Williams, the Hershel deal to MIN trump this.

Also CLE was a serious bidder here ( actually was a better offer), they weren't bidding against themselves. The worthwhile part of your post is grandstanding I take it.

I'm not sure the Rickey Williams trade wasn't a lesser price than RGIII - only Walker is worse.

And, for the 'but RGIII is pretty good' arguments: I agree, he looks like he could be pretty good. Herschel Walker was pretty good I Minnesota too, but the team had traded away all of the other decent players in order to get him and it didn't matter.

This one was basically banking on Washington instantly becoming and staying as a top-10 team to make the other two #1 picks reasonable. Based on history, especially with the franchise under Danny, on the stupid side of optimistic. Figuring you would need a year or two to develop your QB and you were trading away two more top-15 picks was much more realistic.

And, #6, two more top-15 picks, and #39 is waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much for anything but a future Hall of Famer. After all, two low #1 picks is the price of Jay ****ler, so if you just want a 10-year starter at QB who is a bit above average, go trade for him or his equivalent instead of gutting the team's future on a roll of the dice.

 

[Naughtymax]

Actually pretty sure that there were at least a few teams trying for that pick causing the value to keep going up. Heck there was another team that offered 3 #1 picks and a #2 just like that of the Redskins so again it wasn't like they were just bidding against themselves.

I don't believe that for a minute.

 

[Lonewate44]

Look at the dates. RG3 was traded for on March 12 and the violations came down the next day. And I'm positive that the Skins knew about the pending violations before then.

Washington Redskins acquire No. 2 overall pick from St. Louis Rams - ESPN
Sources -- Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins lose millions in cap space - ESPN

Oh...so you believe the NFL will tell a team before it drops the hammer on them??? Really??


So before all the Bounty gate stuff...how much notice did the Saints get knwoing that the shit was gonna be hitting the fan??

The NFL doesnt run anything by anyone....The NFL makes a decesion and acts...those affected will find out after the NFL reacts......I dont think they had any indication this was coming down the line...


You are posative they knew.....HOW???? I would love to know who you ahve on the inside give you your info...... Or maybe it is just your uneducated, Biased opinion??