Quick poll....Will Griffin survive the cut to 53 if he is cleared??

[Sharkinva]

Interesting...

that would be interesting. The question is, how much do you get for a QB that if he s fixable could be a royal pain in your ass directly for the next 5-7 years if he remains healthy??

If we trade him to Philly for anything less than a 3rd with conditions to become more, I would be highly skeptical of the move. Considering we got fleeced on the McNabb trade a few years back

 

[Caliskinsfan]

that would be interesting. The question is, how much do you get for a QB that if he s fixable could be a royal pain in your ass directly for the next 5-7 years if he remains healthy??

If we trade him to Philly for anything less than a 3rd with conditions to become more, I would be highly skeptical of the move. Considering we got fleeced on the McNabb trade a few years back

I've seen chatter that the Eagles are interested in Christian Ponder as their QB 3 which seems to make more sense.

 

[j_y19]

Interesting...

This is what I've been saying all along. If there is a place for him, it would be in a chip Kelly offense. Maybe we can get back the picks we gave up for mcnabb.

 

[Stymietee]

Yeah, that's what I thought. If his shitty play last year as well as this preseason wasn't enough to bring about an attitude adjustment. I doubt being benched will have much of an effect. Besides, his ego, probably his wife, damn sure his daddy and his yes-man crew, if he has one, will probably continue to tell he's the shit.

He should not have played in the first two years after being drafted. Had he been properly prepared to function in an NFL system we would most likely have our QB and our focus on other parts of the team.

 

[Breed]

He should not have played in the first two years after being drafted. Had he been properly prepared to function in an NFL system we would most likely have our QB and our focus on other parts of the team.

Him playing/starting every game he was able his rookie year was fine. It was his failure to protect himself that did him in. Against Atl when Witherspoon concussed him. A lotta talk the following week was that he shoulda thrown the ball away or gotten out of bounds....both were very viable options. Instead he kinda lollygagged after getting out the pocket and the pursuit was flowing at him. Then it kinda looks like he tried to cut back towards the middle of the field and his feet came out from under him and Witherspoon drilled as he was going down.

The very next game was against Minny and he went for 76 yards for the game clinching TD. At the post-game press conference damn near the first thing outta Griffin's mouth was a sarcastic, "Maybe I should've went out of bounds, huh," That's when I knew he was too damn hardheaded and it was only a matter of time before he got hurt seriously with his style of play. It was also a bad sign pointing to his ignorance of certain situations, at least at times, in football.

 

[Stymietee]

Him playing/starting every game he was able his rookie year was fine. It was his failure to protect himself that did him in. Against Atl when Witherspoon concussed him. A lotta talk the following week was that he shoulda thrown the ball away or gotten out of bounds....both were very viable options. Instead he kinda lollygagged after getting out the pocket and the pursuit was flowing at him. Then it kinda looks like he tried to cut back towards the middle of the field and his feet came out from under him and Witherspoon drilled as he was going down.

The very next game was against Minny and he went for 76 yards for the game clinching TD. At the post-game press conference damn near the first thing outta Griffin's mouth was a sarcastic, "Maybe I should've went out of bounds, huh," That's when I knew he was too damn hardheaded and it was only a matter of time before he got hurt seriously with his style of play. It was also a bad sign pointing to his ignorance of certain situations, at least at times, in football.

No sir, starting and playing him in his rookie year was not fine. In fact because of higher than reasonable expectations were the direct result of doing so. That reckless abandon style of play is exactly what led to him getting the ROY award and to the decision that he was no longer willing to play that style. It was a mistake to start him then and the results are what got us here today. Interesting that nobody complained in 2012. The only remarks that you heard was "he won't last!"

 

[skinsdad62]

No sir, starting and playing him in his rookie year was not fine. In fact because of higher than reasonable expectations were the direct result of doing so. That reckless abandon style of play is exactly what led to him getting the ROY award and to the decision that he was no longer willing to play that style. It was a mistake to start him then and the results are what got us here today. Interesting that nobody complained in 2012. The only remarks that you heard was "he won't last!"

3 never got hurt from the read option play , never

 

[skinzfan]

You don't give all those picks away with a plan to sit someone on the bench for a year or two. All RG3 had to do was show any spark, any talent to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the job would have been handed to him. Instead he was dreadful every time given that opportunity. The game is much too fast for him.

 

[Stymietee]

3 never got hurt from the read option play , never

Who said that he did?

 

[Stymietee]

You don't give all those picks away with a plan to sit someone on the bench for a year or two. All RG3 had to do was show any spark, any talent to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the job would have been handed to him. Instead he was dreadful every time given that opportunity. The game is much too fast for him.

This is what no one wanted to hear but the results are........well...it's 2015 and here we are ready to run the guy out of town on a rail. The results of not sitting him speak for itself.

SN: As Shark wrote at the time you don't give away all those picks for a guy who was absent so many of the skills necessary to play in a pro style system.

 

[skinsdad62]

3 said he didnt want to run read option plays which helped him in his rookie year because he wasnt ready to be a pocket passer . it seems to me he is the reason he isnt used the way he should have

as far as i can tell the only thing he was mishandled on was the initial injury and putting that ate up brace on him . i believe that led to the acl tear but again 3 pushed for that as well as the all in for week one

 

[skinsdad62]

This is what no one wanted to hear but the results are........well...it's 2015 and here we are ready to run the guy out of town on a rail. The results of not sitting him speak for itself.

SN: As Shark wrote at the time you don't give away all those picks for a guy who was absent so many of the skills necessary to play in a pro style system.

i doubt that not sitting him had anything to do with it . his attitude is what has him where he is right now i hold 3 responsible for his attitude and no one else because the buck stops with him each and every time enablers or not .

 

[Breed]

No sir, starting and playing him in his rookie year was not fine. In fact because of higher than reasonable expectations were the direct result of doing so. That reckless abandon style of play is exactly what led to him getting the ROY award and to the decision that he was no longer willing to play that style. It was a mistake to start him then and the results are what got us here today. Interesting that nobody complained in 2012. The only remarks that you heard was "he won't last!"

What higher than usual expectations are you talking about? He was widely considered the 2nd best QB and many opined that he had the tools to be a styd QB as well. Those factors and the gang of picks he was traded for of course expectations were high. You don't do that trade unless expectations are high. He put up some impreswsive stats, both passing and running, and led the Skins to their first NFC East title in 13 years. That alone was ROY-worthy and while I won't argue against his electric being a huge factor as well. He did not, I repeat, He did not play smart football, period. How many times have you seen Wilson or Colin, Rodgers, insert damn any QB you want here _____________________ dive head-first or try and hurdle or jump over opposing players? I can't think of any time I've seen a QB not named Griffin playing today do it once. Griffin did it multiple times in the same game.

Had he played smart and used the rules of protecting QBs to his advantage, like every other QB that runs does. Maybe he puts up even beter stats because he doesn't miss a game and a half due to injury. Nor is he banged up playing Dallas in week 17 and Seattle in the playoffs. Had he played smart, maybe he's healthy enough that he doesn't hurt himself in the Sea game.

 

[skinsdad62]

Clinton Portis: Washington is torn apart between Redskins fans and RGIII fans

why keep a guy you dont want to play ?

 

[Stymietee]

What higher than usual expectations are you talking about? He was widely considered the 2nd best QB and many opined that he had the tools to be a styd QB as well. Those factors and the gang of picks he was traded for of course expectations were high. You don't do that trade unless expectations are high. He put up some impreswsive stats, both passing and running, and led the Skins to their first NFC East title in 13 years. That alone was ROY-worthy and while I won't argue against his electric being a huge factor as well. He did not, I repeat, He did not play smart football, period. How many times have you seen Wilson or Colin, Rodgers, insert damn any QB you want here _____________________ dive head-first or try and hurdle or jump over opposing players? I can't think of any time I've seen a QB not named Griffin playing today do it once. Griffin did it multiple times in the same game.

Had he played smart and used the rules of protecting QBs to his advantage, like every other QB that runs does. Maybe he puts up even beter stats because he doesn't miss a game and a half due to injury. Nor is he banged up playing Dallas in week 17 and Seattle in the playoffs. Had he played smart, maybe he's healthy enough that he doesn't hurt himself in the Sea game.

I can't say for sure whether or not you were around at the time but there weren't many who didn't believe that after the 2012 season this team was set at QB for the following 10 years barring injury. There were two of us who never believed that, and this is important, AT THE TIME!!! So for us all of that wild talk proved to be exactly that.......( although I can't speak for him.....or circles that he associates with) higher than usual expectations. This is Washington football, we're talking about, and just like most pimps in pulpits, all there has been to sell since Danny brought the team, is more BS. Haynesworth, Gibbs 2, D. Sanders, Shanahan, 16 different QB's in 16 years......well you get the point. You don't pay as much as this organization did for a gifted but hugely flawed novice and not expect those flaws to eventually show themselves. There's, something that you wrote in this response that illustrates my point. In it you talked his recklessness, and seemingly, believed that high expectations should have been usual at the time. (Rhetorical...follows) How does that make any sense? Well, it doesn't!!!!! Only blind homerism leads to that sort of conclusion. I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but truth is, just like the pulpit pimps I mentioned previously, Danny knows that the only way that you keep them coming back is to keep telling them what they want to hear. Now there's SM, I wonder how many actually believe that finally the organization is no longer screwed up? For me, I've been in a Missouri state of mind since 1999.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I can't say for sure whether or not you were around at the time but there weren't many who didn't believe that after the 2012 season this team was set at QB for the following 10 years barring injury. There were two of us who never believed that, and this is important, AT THE TIME!!! So for us all of that wild talk proved to be exactly that.......( although I can't speak for him.....or circles that he associates with) higher than usual expectations. This is Washington football, we're talking about, and just like most pimps in pulpits, all there has been to sell since Danny brought the team, is more BS. Haynesworth, Gibbs 2, D. Sanders, Shanahan, 16 different QB's in 16 years......well you get the point. You don't pay as much as this organization did for a gifted but hugely flawed novice and not expect those flaws to eventually show themselves. There's, something that you wrote in this response that illustrates my point. In it you talked his recklessness, and seemingly, believed that high expectations should have been usual at the time. (Rhetorical...follows) How does that make any sense? Well, it doesn't!!!!! Only blind homerism leads to that sort of conclusion. I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but truth is, just like the pulpit pimps I mentioned previously, Danny knows that the only way that you keep them coming back is to keep telling them what they want to hear. Now there's SM, I wonder how many actually believe that finally the organization is no longer screwed up? For me, I've been in a Missouri state of mind since 1999.

Well - consider me as sold on SM at that time. If others don't feel that way fine & I could care less. Unlike several of the other moves that you mentioned this is actually a smart football move without all of the related fanfare.

I am actually kind of enjoying the recent media noise about how awful this team is & that there is basically no hope for the next 4-5 years. They are not seeing the big picture which doesn't rely on RG3, Cousins or Gruden. It is all about patience, building solid lines and thinking about the next 3-4 years instead of the next 3-4 months.

You bring up some good pts, but that is in the past. Time to move forward (you can't get those picks back or undo other moves). HTTR

 

[Caliskinsfan]

An interesting question in Mike Jones' mailbag this week...

If RGIII cannot be traded or cut until he is medically cleared to play because of his concussion, why is it okay to release Evan Spencer, whom you report “is being monitored in accordance with the league’s concussion policy?” Are there different standards for $16 million fourth-year players and draft rookies? Any clarification you can provide is appreciated.

– David Culp

Your assumption is right. It’s the $16.1 million that complicates matters. That option is guaranteed for injury, and so it’d be extremely difficult to come to an agreement on an injury settlement, which is what they would have to do to cut Griffin if he wasn’t yet healthy. And, you can’t trade a player who’s not medically cleared, because rules require that the deals are continent on players being able to pass a physical. Evan Spencer, being a sixth-round draft pick, had signed a rookie contract that included less than $300,000 in guaranteed money. It’s far easier to work out an injury settlement on a deal like that.