Question? Was there a blown call that cost the game?

[Andresrenee]

Is there some rule that when a team declines a penalty on an opponent with less than two minutes left that the clock should stop. We were at 1 07 on the clock when Tanner was tackled in bounds and Detroit declined the penalty on us. It seemed like Red asked the ref and was satisfied but if the clock runs there, they only have 27 seconds and the game is over?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

That penalty was devastating. Romo kneels the ball on 3rd down and Dallas wins. Why risk it?

 

[obxyankeefan]

Is there some rule that when a team declines a penalty on an opponent with less than two minutes left that the clock should stop. We were at 1 07 on the clock when Tanner was tackled in bounds and Detroit declined the penalty on us. It seemed like Red asked the ref and was satisfied but if the clock runs there, they only have 27 seconds and the game is over?

The only reason to decline the penalty is to stop the clock. If Schwartz takes the penalty it backs Dallas up and puts them in borderline FG range, with another play.


At any other time in the game you take that penalty.

 

[Andresrenee]

That penalty was devastating. Romo kneels the ball on 3rd down and Dallas wins. Why risk it?

Horrible penalty..just trying to understand the rules. A knee and Detroit has more than 30 seconds to get in field goal range. Although, I probably take that over getting them a full minute. Garrett still does not know how to manage games near the end. The first down run set us up for failure...

 

[Andresrenee]

The only reason to decline the penalty is to stop the clock. If Schwartz takes the penalty it backs Dallas up and puts them in borderline FG range, with another play.


At any other time in the game you take that penalty.

So is there a rule that when a penalty is declined then the clock stops? Either way, we blew a game that the Lions tried to give us.......

 

[Manster7588]

I believe penalties stop the clock if accepted or not. That hold saved Detroit.

 

[Earl Stevens]

That penalty was devastating. Romo kneels the ball on 3rd down and Dallas wins. Why risk it?

It was. You can look in the thread of the Lions Cowboys when it happened. Look at my posts. I was fucking going nuts over the clock stopping at 1 min. I knew there was too much time.

 

[CarlSr]

I don't know if that cost Dallas the game, but that end was confusing. Either go for a 1st down and a win in that last series, or take 3 knees. When you run 3 times into a wall (well 2 1/2 times) and cap it off with a penalty, you fail.

 

[Manster7588]

I don't know if that cost Dallas the game, but that end was confusing. Either go for a 1st down and a win in that last series, or take 3 knees. When you run 3 times into a wall (well 2 1/2 times) and cap it off with a penalty, you fail.

Dallas played it right by trying to run the ball. Unfortunately the hold killed the clock. I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone player here, but if Tanner just runs up the gut there is most likely no hold, and the clock ticks away. Tanner thought he had a shot at a 1st down and didn't get it. If Tanner never sees that opportunity and take the tackle back at the LOS there is probably no hold. Hell the team would have been better off in MAX protect, and have Romo run around as long as possible taking ten yard losses then punting. Lets jut give credit to Detroit and look forward to the Minnesota game.

 

[Earl Stevens]

Dallas played it right by trying to run the ball. Unfortunately the hold killed the clock. I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone player here, but if Tanner just runs up the gut there is most likely no hold, and the clock ticks away. Tanner thought he had a shot at a 1st down and didn't get it. If Tanner never sees that opportunity and take the tackle back at the LOS there is probably no hold. Hell the team would have been better off in MAX protect, and have Romo run around as long as possible taking ten yard losses then punting. Lets jut give credit to Detroit and look forward to the Minnesota game.

The coach from Princeton should have calculated his odds. Low chance you get a 3rd down conversion on 3rd and long. I would have personally told Romo to kneel the ball and then punted on 4th down even with just a 3 point lead. The Lions would have not have driven 80-90 yards with 20 seconds on the clock and no timeouts. That was just a huge gaffe on everybody's part. You don't risk a fumble from your RB or penalty like what happened. You kneel the ball and punt the ball to Detroit with 30 seconds left.

Hell, even if the Cowboys kneeled the ball on 3rd AND 4th down they still would have had a better chance of winning than what they did. I still can't believe this team found a way to lose that game.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

The skins are up 14 on the Broncos ...I'm tempted to pull for the upset just so the boys are not the top story.

 

[JDM]

Seriously, you guys are mad they handed off instead of taking a knee? Handing it off is the safe play call. Kneeling that is unheard of.

 

[Manster7588]

The coach from Princeton should have calculated his odds. Low chance you get a 3rd down conversion on 3rd and long. I would have personally told Romo to kneel the ball and then punted on 4th down even with just a 3 point lead. The Lions would have not have driven 80-90 yards with 20 seconds on the clock and no timeouts. That was just a huge gaffe on everybody's part. You don't risk a fumble from your RB or penalty like what happened. You kneel the ball and punt the ball to Detroit with 30 seconds left.

Hell, even if the Cowboys kneeled the ball on 3rd AND 4th down they still would have had a better chance of winning than what they did. I still can't believe this team found a way to lose that game.

I was addressing the fact that Dallas ran all 3 plays as being right. Kneeling on 3rd would have been the best option but not on 4th. Had they kneeled down on downs 1,2,3 then ran the clock down before calling a TO, they'd have left Detroit with a little under 40 seconds. Had they knelt down on 4th down, they'd have left Detroit with maybe 2 less seconds. The clock would have stopped at the end of the final kneel down. Had they just ran around each play then punted they's have used up at least 30 more seconds, punted and most likely pinned Detroit somewhere around the 15 yard line with 30 seconds to play. This is one game we can honestly say we lost do to a hold.

 

[CarlSr]

Dallas played it right by trying to run the ball. Unfortunately the hold killed the clock. I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone player here, but if Tanner just runs up the gut there is most likely no hold, and the clock ticks away. Tanner thought he had a shot at a 1st down and didn't get it. If Tanner never sees that opportunity and take the tackle back at the LOS there is probably no hold. Hell the team would have been better off in MAX protect, and have Romo run around as long as possible taking ten yard losses then punting. Lets jut give credit to Detroit and look forward to the Minnesota game.

If you're not serious about getting the 1st down, and they obviously weren't on that 3rd down, what's the point? You want to keep the clock running, and the safest way to do it is with a knee.

 

[Andresrenee]

Seriously, you guys are mad they handed off instead of taking a knee? Handing it off is the safe play call. Kneeling that is unheard of.

I think people are mad that we had the ball at the other teams 30 with 1 25 left to play and the other team only had two timeouts and we only managed to take 20 seconds off the clock and went for 3 instead of the first down and the win. When your coach costs you a ton of games over the years such as the Cardinals fame when he iced his own kicker, or the giving up of 21 and 13 point leads at hone. The first on account of letting Romo throw two pick sixes and the later with 5 minutes to go in a game against a Giants team. He'll remember the Patriots game at New England where he chose to play conservative on 3rd down just to give Brady a chance to beat us? Or the 4th quarter lead squandered in NY against the Giants because he called for a bone headed pass by Romo. Garrett has not won the Cowboys a game since he was a back up against the Skins on Thanksgiving ages ago......Pathetic! Oh, and having a receiver gain 300 yards against you well that is just unbelievable. Between him and Romo, the Cowboys are lucky to be 500 after 40 games!

 

[Earl Stevens]

I was addressing the fact that Dallas ran all 3 plays as being right. Kneeling on 3rd would have been the best option but not on 4th. Had they kneeled down on downs 1,2,3 then ran the clock down before calling a TO, they'd have left Detroit with a little under 40 seconds. Had they knelt down on 4th down, they'd have left Detroit with maybe 2 less seconds. The clock would have stopped at the end of the final kneel down. Had they just ran around each play then punted they's have used up at least 30 more seconds, punted and most likely pinned Detroit somewhere around the 15 yard line with 30 seconds to play. This is one game we can honestly say we lost do to a hold.

Well obviously I do not believe they should have kneeled on 4th down. My point was even if they did that they still would have had a better chance of winning the game than what happened. Detroit scored with 12 seconds left. The Cowboys gave them an extra 40 seconds with their gaffe.

 

[jarntt]

You run the ball on 3rd down because it might get you a closer FG attempt and it might get you a first down. You can't play it assuming your defense will allow them to get a TD there. While we may all have been thinking it, it's still not easy. Kneeling would not have been a good move. It got us 3 points and made them have to get into the end zone instead of just a FG. That is a HUGE difference. Just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it was wrong.

What I thought was weird was throwing it on the first down of the drive, but not 3rd and long a short time later?

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

You run the ball on 3rd down because it might get you a closer FG attempt and it might get you a first down. You can't play it assuming your defense will allow them to get a TD there. While we may all have been thinking it, it's still not easy. Kneeling would not have been a good move. It got us 3 points and made them have to get into the end zone instead of just a FG. That is a HUGE difference. Just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it was wrong.

What I thought was weird was throwing it on the first down of the drive, but not 3rd and long a short time later?

Are you talking about the drive where they started and Detroit got called for a PI

 

[jarntt]

Are you talking about the drive where they started and Detroit got called for a PI

Yes. Was that the drive before? Hours make it all run together. Either way. You can't assume a penalty. You need to have a least some balls...

 

[jarntt]

If we could have run the clock down to just a few seconds, or maybe if we were already in decent FG range I could see it, but kneel down and then punt when only up 3? I wouldn't do that.