QB Value

[ehb5]

Yeah good point. But we knew who the three guys who have been on his ass all year were anyhow. I would respect their opinions if they weren't always negative but that's just not the case. You had to love Sty's comment "okay lets look at projection but I guarantee that is not how management will decide how much he should be paid." HUH??? Serious. Y'all have fun, I have tired of this.

If all you got from me was constant negativity then that's on you. Maybe you should get out of this conversation, you're clearly not following it very well anyway.

 

[Sportster 72]

If all you got from me was constant negativity then that's on you. Maybe you should get out of this conversation, you're clearly not following it very well anyway.

You are right, I am getting out of it because I see little value in it. I am sure I never saw anyone develop in my years in football so I can't possibly know what I am talking about.

 

[ehb5]

You are right, I am getting out of it because I see little value in it. I am sure I never saw anyone develop in my years in football so I can't possibly know what I am talking about.

Who cares if you did? That has nothing to do with you saying we've been nothing but negative, which is either you misreading and misunderstanding everything that I've said or just lying about it. Ive seen people develop too buddy. Big deal.

 

[Stymietee]

[Qreallyj_y19, post: 7732375, member: 4983"]If we only would have done that with RG3![/QUOTE]

I really don't want to believe this unnatural obsession that some have with Griffin on this site. He's had his chance and was thoroughly roasted over the coals with a spit through him. Guys, enough!! He hasn't been consequential since........well.........this...

Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins is the starter for 2015

 

[Sharkinva]

I got to ask. When you start threads with the insinuation that we will likely end up overpaying the QB IF we keep him. And make statements like, well if we end up keeping him for what I consider a good price I might not like it, but I will live with it.

How in the hell are we supposed to see your opinion of Cousins in general as anything BUT negative??

 

[ehb5]

[Qreallyj_y19, post: 7732375, member: 4983"]If we only would have done that with RG3!

I really don't want to believe this unnatural obsession that some have with Griffin on this site. He's had his chance and was thoroughly roasted over the coals with a spit through him. Guys, enough!! He hasn't been consequential since........well.........this...

Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins is the starter for 2015[/QUOTE]

Its honestly nuts. Ive brought up RG3 probably 0-1 times this season. Yet somehow he always ends up in the discussion. Hmmmm lol. I just dont understand why everyone has to come up with a conspiracy theory because we dont see eye to eye on Cousins. You dont see that when people disagree on Garcon, or on Scherff, or Desean. Its honestly weird how defensive people are of him.

 

[Sportster 72]

And I'm not at all surprised you responded this way. Maybe you should've sacked up and named names. I'm not gonna feel bad because I took your vague accusation to be about me considering ya know there's like 2 people you could've possibly meant and I've been accused of just being an rg3 fanatic before. So yes sure act like I bit, rather than owning up to the fact that you just talk out your ass.

I have no problem sacking up. I think you have been talking out of your ass. And I don't really care how you feel about that.

 

[ehb5]

I got to ask. When you start threads with the insinuation that we will likely end up overpaying the QB IF we keep him. And make statements like, well if we end up keeping him for what I consider a good price I might not like it, but I will live with it.

How in the hell are we supposed to see your opinion of Cousins in general as anything BUT negative??

I started this thread with no such insinuation.

And by not jumping to conclusions. If we paid more than I thought a player deserved for any player on this team I would not be happy about it. There is a price for every single player in the NFL where you have to say no thank you. Im sure theres a number you wouldnt pay for him either. Why would it mean I hate the guy because I think the price is a little lower than you do? We have different views of how much hes worth and how to build a team. Lets not act like theres anything more to it than that.

 

[Sharkinva]

I really don't want to believe this unnatural obsession that some have with Griffin on this site. He's had his chance and was thoroughly roasted over the coals with a spit through him. Guys, enough!! He hasn't been consequential since........well.........this...

Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins is the starter for 2015

Its honestly nuts. Ive brought up RG3 probably 0-1 times this season. Yet somehow he always ends up in the discussion. Hmmmm lol. I just dont understand why everyone has to come up with a conspiracy theory because we dont see eye to eye on Cousins. You dont see that when people disagree on Garcon, or on Scherff, or Desean. Its honestly weird how defensive people are of him.[/QUOTE]

You sure about that??

Disagree. Sure he has to develop the team as a whole but let's not kid ourselves that he wasn't supposed to develop griffin. And I also feel that Griffin has regressed under gruden. Sure maybe he never would've been a pro style qb but there are things he was doing his rookie year that he can't do anymore and they aren't just physical.

Damn that search feature. So not only have you brought him up, but you were calling for the coach to be fired primarily because the coach failed to develop the undevelopable.

 

[ehb5]

I have no problem sacking up. I think you have been talking out of your ass. And I don't really care how you feel about that.

What was the point of this? That wasnt directed at you.....

Or did you misread me again?

 

[Sportster 72]

Yes I remember that. Not defensive at all, I just don't agree with your assessment. I have no reason to be defensive. If you had read what I have been saying all year my only claim is that the guy is improving over what many said he could not be in the beginning of the year. I have not changed my opinion. I have also said all along we don't know how he will do. Time will tell. I will continue to think what I want and use the experience I have in football guide my decisions.

 

[ehb5]

Its honestly nuts. Ive brought up RG3 probably 0-1 times this season. Yet somehow he always ends up in the discussion. Hmmmm lol. I just dont understand why everyone has to come up with a conspiracy theory because we dont see eye to eye on Cousins. You dont see that when people disagree on Garcon, or on Scherff, or Desean. Its honestly weird how defensive people are of him.

You sure about that??





Damn that search feature. So not only have you brought him up, but you were calling for the coach to be fired primarily because the coach failed to develop the undevelopable.[/QUOTE]

Thats still one time dude. You bring him alarmingly often. And yea I think Gruden couldve done things differently and better. I wasnt calling for him to be fired right then. I said I didnt think he was a good coach and hed have to sell me this year. IMO hes good to go for next year so whats your point?

 

[ehb5]

Yes I remember that. Not defensive at all, I just don't agree with your assessment. I have no reason to be defensive. If you had read what I have been saying all year my only claim is that the guy is improving over what many said he could not be in the beginning of the year. I have not changed my opinion. I have also said all along we don't know how he will do. Time will tell. I will continue to think what I want and use the experience I have in football guide my decisions.

Good. Were on the same page then. Hence why my mind is boggled by the claims of Kirk hate and RG3 love.

 

[Sharkinva]

You sure about that??





Damn that search feature. So not only have you brought him up, but you were calling for the coach to be fired primarily because the coach failed to develop the undevelopable.

Thats still one time dude. You bring him alarmingly often. And yea I think Gruden couldve done things differently and better. I wasnt calling for him to be fired right then. I said I didnt think he was a good coach and hed have to sell me this year. IMO hes good to go for next year so whats your point?[/QUOTE]


Actually aside from chiming in when he is mentioned, I have actually NOT dragged him into the conversation. See the reality is, the only way he is here next year is if Kirk flames out and we do something Stupid. Now do I think a few people around here DO hope Kirk fails so that we MIGHT be forced to keep Griffin?? Sure I do, because I have actually heard fans say exactly that. So its not that far fetched to think some of his biggest defenders on this board feel the same way.

 

[Stymietee]

I started this thread with no such insinuation.

And by not jumping to conclusions. If we paid more than I thought a player deserved for any player on this team I would not be happy about it. There is a price for every single player in the NFL where you have to say no thank you. Im sure theres a number you wouldnt pay for him either. Why would it mean I hate the guy because I think the price is a little lower than you do? We have different views of how much hes worth and how to build a team. Lets not act like theres anything more to it than that.

You know, it is sort of a backhanded compliment when others find it necessary to argue with those that they consider less knowledgeable. Teaching on the other hand, takes a particular skill that carefully directs others to see possibility.

 

[ehb5]

Thats still one time dude. You bring him alarmingly often. And yea I think Gruden couldve done things differently and better. I wasnt calling for him to be fired right then. I said I didnt think he was a good coach and hed have to sell me this year. IMO hes good to go for next year so whats your point?

Actually aside from chiming in when he is mentioned, I have actually NOT dragged him into the conversation. See the reality is, the only way he is here next year is if Kirk flames out and we do something Stupid. Now do I think a few people around here DO hope Kirk fails so that we MIGHT be forced to keep Griffin?? Sure I do, because I have actually heard fans say exactly that. So its not that far fetched to think some of his biggest defenders on this board feel the same way.[/QUOTE]


Im pretty damn straightforward on here dude. How bout you take what I actually say as what I mean. Dont credit BS to me just cuz some pissed off fans you heard at a game think RG3 should start. I literally tell you my opinions straight up all the time. No need to make up opinions for me.

 

[Stymietee]

If all you got from me was constant negativity then that's on you. Maybe you should get out of this conversation, you're clearly not following it very

 

[Sharkinva]

Im pretty damn straightforward on here dude. How bout you take what I actually say as what I mean. Dont credit BS to me just cuz some pissed off fans you heard at a game think RG3 should start. I literally tell you my opinions straight up all the time. No need to make up opinions for me.

Im pretty straight forward too. As I have said a few times, its rather obvious that the biggest RG3 defenders around here over the past two piss poor years of his performance, also have been the most critical of Cousins.

 

[Stymietee]

Yeah good point. But we knew who the three guys who have been on his ass all year were anyhow. I would respect their opinions if they weren't always negative but that's just not the case. You had to love Sty's comment "okay lets look at projection but I guarantee that is not how management will decide how much he should be paid." HUH??? Serious. Y'all have fun, I have tired of this.

Absolutely guarantee that this so called quote was put together from two different lines that was written. That's OK, I completely understand why!

 

[Sportster 72]

Actually aside from chiming in when he is mentioned, I have actually NOT dragged him into the conversation. See the reality is, the only way he is here next year is if Kirk flames out and we do something Stupid. Now do I think a few people around here DO hope Kirk fails so that we MIGHT be forced to keep Griffin?? Sure I do, because I have actually heard fans say exactly that. So its not that far fetched to think some of his biggest defenders on this board feel the same way.

Im pretty damn straightforward on here dude. How bout you take what I actually say as what I mean. Dont credit BS to me just cuz some pissed off fans you heard at a game think RG3 should start. I literally tell you my opinions straight up all the time. No need to make up opinions for me.[/QUOTE]

You sort of sunk your own battleship on this post. You jumped in and assumed guilt. I really hope we are past the Griffin thing when discussing Cousins. From everything I have seen he hasn't been anything but a good teammate when they show him on the bench. I haven't agreed with all of your comments but that is neither here nor there. We don't all have to agree with each other. I don't remember you saying Griffin should start.