Play Book Too Much For Kaepernick?

[TobyTyler]

Daily Jolt: Playbook too big for Colin Kaepernick? - Daily Jolt - SI.com

I wonder if all those delays had anything to do with Tolzein knowing the calls and the Niners having to learn new verbiage last week?

 

[Excel]

Kap is one of the most intelligent QB's out there, if it is too much for him it would prolly be too much for just about anyone.

He was the guy moving others around, I think it would be more likely too say the playbook is too much for some of our other players at this point. I do think that will be ironed out as the season goes on as players get more familiar with the offense.

 

[MHSL82]

Daily Jolt: Playbook too big for Colin Kaepernick? - Daily Jolt - SI.com

I wonder if all those delays had anything to do with Tolzein knowing the calls and the Niners having to learn new verbiage last week?

The actual article the feed you linked said that was the reason.

Amidst play clock issues, 49ers consider condensing playbook | CSN Bay Area

I am glad we are talking about how to improve a win - not why we lost.

 

[TobyTyler]

The actual article the feed you linked said that was the reason.

Amidst play clock issues, 49ers consider condensing playbook | CSN Bay Area

I am glad we are talking about how to improve a win - not why we lost.

Amen to that.

 

[imac_21]

Daily Jolt: Playbook too big for Colin Kaepernick? - Daily Jolt - SI.com

I wonder if all those delays had anything to do with Tolzein knowing the calls and the Niners having to learn new verbiage last week?

We had the same problem last year. Was Tolzien working for the other team in every game we played.

I don't think the playbook is too big (and it's a rather ridiculous conclusion by the author). I think they are asking for too many checks at the line. If a defense disguises it's coverage well early, we still try to switch the play when Kap recognizes it.

This may be too simple, but the solution is probably to implement a rule that if the play clock is at 7 or less, you run what's called. Don't try to switch the play up with only 4 seconds to re-set everyone.

 

[MHSL82]

But Harbaugh said with players now wearing microphones for TV purposes, teams must constantly be changing their snap counts, audibles and calls at the line of scrimmage.

“Teams you play the week after and the week after that, they get that TV copy and they hear your communication at the line of scrimmage,” Harbaugh said.

I was skeptical but heard that they edited it first. But that must just be the mic'd up releases, not the TV broadcast that will include live replay segments (delayed a bit but during the broadcast).

 

[purguy12]

Its on the coaching staff. Its not Kap. Smith had the same problems.

 

[MHSL82]

We had the same problem last year. Was Tolzien working for the other team in every game we played.

I don't think the playbook is too big (and it's a rather ridiculous conclusion by the author). I think they are asking for too many checks at the line. If a defense disguises it's coverage well early, we still try to switch the play when Kap recognizes it.

This may be too simple, but the solution is probably to implement a rule that if the play clock is at 7 or less, you run what's called. Don't try to switch the play up with only 4 seconds to re-set everyone.

Toby didn't link the article with this quote:

“There’s a high volume of plays and sometimes there’s a give-and-take there,” Harbaugh said on Monday. “There were a few times guys came out of the huddle and they didn’t know where to line up. That bled some seconds off the clock and (we) had to take a timeout. (We'll) continue to strive to improve in that area.”

So this, IMO, takes it from ridiculous to just an inference made. Inferences can be wrong, of course. I also note that this wasn't written by Cohn, so that automatically avoids a huge helping of ridiculousness. I do think it was a bit ridiculous that he assumed it was too big for Kaepernick than say, any of the other ten players lining up. I mean, Kaepernick lines up basically the same every down with a few options of depth. The people around him line up.

Your solution sounds good and I bet they do some of that. It is possible that the problems here is just a lack of experience by Kaepernick in reading the defense - something that he is quickly learning. Last year, you can limit the play book or gameplan the playbook to what they thought he was best able to run (he knew the whole playbook but you can tailor the gameplan to be safer). That way, lack of experience offensively was not as big of a discrepancy. However, live looks of the defense is not the same as film and this will need some time, as the offseason can't totally prepare a player like learning the playbook. The opponent writes the defense, not your coach, though defenses have common schemes.

 

[TobyTyler]

We had the same problem last year. Was Tolzien working for the other team in every game we played.

I don't think the playbook is too big (and it's a rather ridiculous conclusion by the author). I think they are asking for too many checks at the line. If a defense disguises it's coverage well early, we still try to switch the play when Kap recognizes it.

This may be too simple, but the solution is probably to implement a rule that if the play clock is at 7 or less, you run what's called. Don't try to switch the play up with only 4 seconds to re-set everyone.

The solution could be as simple as getting the play in to Kaepernick sooner.

 

[Flyingiguana]

kap still hasn't had a full season yet. there's going to be some growing pains...

 

[tallglassofwater007]

I think the playbook is too big for the coaches sometimes. It feels like they outcoach themselves in certain situations, going back to last year. There are times it's like they are zig zaging when sometimes you just have to go straight.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Its on the coaching staff. Its not Kap. Smith had the same problems.[/QUOTE

Exactly.

 

[deep9er]

I think the playbook is too big for the coaches sometimes. It feels like they outcoach themselves in certain situations, going back to last year. There are times it's like they are zig zaging when sometimes you just have to go straight.

just a general comment........this reminds of years ago, on how many complaints we read on play-calling? our offense wasn't executing so the play calling was bad. a lot of posts asking for more creativity with the play calling.

so now, it MIGHT be where Roman is TOO creative? so are fans now telling him to 'dumb down'? again, just a general comment.

there will need to be some happy medium and trust they'll find it. at least the offense is moving and scoring, despite the time outs.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

If Smith hadn't struggled with the same thing - granted not to the extent - I might be somewhat tempted to point fingers at Kap. But this coaching staff has a history of struggling to get the plays in on time. The motion and complex looks are great, but if we lose five yards or burn all our TOs, it defeats the purpose. If the answer is condensing the playbook, I'm fine with that. We have enough talent at this point that we shouldn't have to rely primarily on scheme for advantage.

And it seems more like it's other players who are struggling with the playbook, not Kap. He's the one getting them in the right position.

 

[Flyingiguana]

I think the playbook is too big for the coaches sometimes. It feels like they outcoach themselves in certain situations, going back to last year. There are times it's like they are zig zaging when sometimes you just have to go straight.

i think of it more like, they expect the other team to think they're gonna zig zag, so they go beyond zig zaging. like the zig zag twilight zone.

 

[TobyTyler]

If Smith hadn't struggled with the same thing - granted not to the extent - I might be somewhat tempted to point fingers at Kap. But this coaching staff has a history of struggling to get the plays in on time. The motion and complex looks are great, but if we lose five yards or burn all our TOs, it defeats the purpose. If the answer is condensing the playbook, I'm fine with that. We have enough talent at this point that we shouldn't have to rely primarily on scheme for advantage.

And it seems more like it's other players who are struggling with the playbook, not Kap. He's the one getting them in the right position.

That is dangerous thinking. I sure hope the coaches don't agree with you and continue to look for every edge they can find.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

That is dangerous thinking. I sure hope the coaches don't agree with you and continue to look for every edge they can find.

Of course we still need to scheme and scheme aggressively. But you are forced to evaluate the value of the scheming and shifting when it is actively hurting us. We had no TOs in the final two minutes of the game this week. That could have been devastating. And we all know the damage it did - the blown play AND the blown TO - in the super bowl. I'd take a little less scheming if the return is running the plays we call well.

 

[TobyTyler]

Of course we still need to scheme and scheme aggressively. But you are forced to evaluate the value of the scheming and shifting when it is actively hurting us. We had no TOs in the final two minutes of the game this week. That could have been devastating. And we all know the damage it did - the blown play AND the blown TO - in the super bowl. I'd take a little less scheming if the return is running the plays we call well.

Agreed. I've never seen anything like it at the Pro level. I thought it was just Singletary but it continues to happen.