Pierre McGuire could be Sens next GM

[KennyBanyeah]

OK Sens fans.... how's this for a choice:

- Pierre McGuire

- Brian Burke

- Hockey suicide

Fixed and only option selected.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Fixed and only option selected.

McGuire can't be that bad. The only other GM who would have made the Kessel trade is Milpuke.

 

[Slimpikins]

I think it is just a scare tactic for the players.

"Start winning or we'll let Pierre into the lockerroom after games"

*camera cuts to shot of McGuire standing just outside of the doorway with a creepy smile on his face as he winks at Spezza*

 

[puckhead]

*camera cuts to shot of McGuire standing just outside of the doorway with a creepy smile on his face as he winks at Spezza*

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Let's just be clear. Do the rules apply during press conferences??

 

[Eddie_Shack]

I don't think McGuire would be as bad a GM as you would think. The guy is a superb talent evaluator. Illitch has been approached by half the teams in the league about Nill, I'd be surprised if he goes anywhere before his contract is up (and I believe he just got an extension).

I wonder what would happen if they went off the board and brought in someone like Igor Larionov.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

LOL... Fast forward to 1:44

 

[Urkie]

I think his biggest problem is the players he wants to trade make a lot of money. Teams seem to be hesitant to make a deal & add cap space. The Devils have been trying to dump Rolston all year & can't find any takers.

Plenty of teams should be interested in Phillips but he hasn't played very well & will be an UFA. The Isles got a 2 & probably a 5th for Wisniewski. Phillips is a better defenseman Murray should get more for him than Snow did for Wiz but that doesn't mean he will.

That's about what I'd expect for Phillips quite honestly. He's having a bad year, he's an UFA this summer and he's a defensive defensemen.

Guys like Kovalev won't be moved though. Nobody is going to take on that kind of money for a questionable player. Only way is if he's waived and claimed on re-entry waivers.

Kuba could be moved but he's got another year on his deal and he's having a dreadful year. He's virtually unmoveable.

Gonchar is virtually unmoveable with his contract.

Spezza should probably stay.

Fisher could probably be moved but it won't be that easy.

Alfie could be moved but I doubt he will be.

Michalek could be trade bait at this point. He's not contributing at all but his injury troubles will make him difficult to move.

Ruutu will be moved. He's probably the one guy I would say will definitely get traded.

So basically, the Sens are in a tough spot regardless. Phillips and Ruutu are the only 2 guys that will probably be moved. Fisher may be moved but I wouldn't count on it. Kovalev and Kuba will probably be put on waivers at some point. Maybe Kuba gets bought out this summer.

There's really not a whole lot of changing that can be done through trades. The rebuild is going to have to come through the draft.

 

[Urkie]

I don't think McGuire would be as bad a GM as you would think. The guy is a superb talent evaluator. Illitch has been approached by half the teams in the league about Nill, I'd be surprised if he goes anywhere before his contract is up (and I believe he just got an extension).

I wonder what would happen if they went off the board and brought in someone like Igor Larionov.

Yeah, I doubt Nill goes anywhere for awhile. Maybe McGuire wouldn't be as bad as I think but he's not the best candidate.

I just thought of Paul Fenton from Nashville too. Maybe he could take over.

 

[Urkie]

I just saw that Murray will address the media tomorrow.

No one knows what it is or what he will say.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

His name has been tossed around here too because of the new owner along with Craig Patrick.

 

[Automattic]

Find somebody who knows their way around scouting and you've found your man. Too much stock goes into who people are and not enough into who they know.

 

[Urkie]

Find somebody who knows their way around scouting and you've found your man. Too much stock goes into who people are and not enough into who they know.

Exactly, the thing is that Murray has done a pretty good job in scouting and drafting. In 2 or 3 years we'll see the likes of Cowen, Karlsson and Rundblad start to really develop and excel at the NHL level.

Murray has already started rebuilding and he's done it from the net out. Robin Lehner looks like a really good goalie too. All that's left to do is bring in some offensive talent and that's usually a lot easier then finding defensemen in the draft.

So for all the flak that I've given Murray and others have given him, he's actually started the rebuild already. The area of concern with him is his UFA signings, trades and coach hiring/firings. For that alone he probably deserves to be fired. However, it's tough since I think he'd be the perfect GM to try and rebuild with through the draft.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

He would be the first gm to give free massages to the players after games.seriously between his man love and general actions the guys just creepy.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Exactly, the thing is that Murray has done a pretty good job scouting. In 2 or 3 years we'll see the likes of Cowen, Karlsson and Rundblad start to really develop and excel at the NHL level.

Murray has already started rebuilding and he's done it from the net out. Robin Lehner looks like a really good goalie too. All that's left to do is bring in some offensive talent and that's usually a lot easier then finding defensemen in the draft.

So for all the flak that I've given Murray and others have given him, he's actually started the rebuild already. The area of concern with him is his UFA signings, trades and coach hiring/firings. For that alone he probably deserves to be fired. However, it's tough since I think he'd be the perfect GM to try and rebuild with through the draft.

This might be true.

He has a good eye for young talent. The issue is that he is too impatient. He just isn't much of a manager of assets. He overpays the wrong guys. He seems to be really stuck in the "win right now" mode. In the past I've seen how this could be justified but this year they WILL NOT contend so get some picks and/or prospects and they can be in very good shape for this offseason.

Kovalev, Leclaire, Phillips, Ruutu and Shannon come off of the books this year. Rundblad will be playing for the Sens on an entry level contract next year. One of (maybe two) Cowen, Wiercioch or Gryba will also be playing on an entry level deal. All these things will give Ottawa some financial flexibility for the first time in a while. If the Sens can get a few more draft picks they can be set up well for free agency and the draft.

However, I am just dreading the day I read about Rundblad or Cowen being dealt to try and save Murray's job. If he can COMPLETELY switch to building for next year and beyond then he would probably do a good job.

Murray would certainly be better than McGuire.

 

[Urkie]

This might be true.

He has a good eye for young talent. The issue is that he is too impatient. He just isn't much of a manager of assets. He overpays the wrong guys. He seems to be really stuck in the "win right now" mode. In the past I've seen how this could be justified but this year they WILL NOT contend so get some picks and/or prospects and they can be in very good shape for this offseason.

Kovalev, Leclaire, Phillips, Ruutu and Shannon come off of the books this year. Rundblad will be playing for the Sens on an entry level contract next year. One of (maybe two) Cowen, Wiercioch or Gryba will also be playing on an entry level deal. All these things will give Ottawa some financial flexibility for the first time in a while. If the Sens can get a few more draft picks they can be set up well for free agency and the draft.

However, I am just dreading the day I read about Rundblad or Cowen being dealt to try and save Murray's job. If he can COMPLETELY switch to building for next year and beyond then he would probably do a good job.

Murray would certainly be better than McGuire.

I think he's under pressure from ownership all the time though and he's not really allowed to just build for the future all at once. He has to ice somewhat of a good hockey team and rebuild at the same time.

This is why I believe he'd probably do a good job of rebuilding if that's what he was allowed to focus on primarily. And if he was allowed to do that then he definitely wouldn't trade Rundblad or somebody like that.

 

[puckhead]

Murray has already started rebuilding and he's done it from the net out. Robin Lehner looks like a really good goalie too. .

Damien Cox is shitting all over him on this week's Studs 'n' Duds.


fwiw.

 

[Urkie]

Damien Cox is shitting all over him on this week's Studs 'n' Duds.


fwiw.

I saw that. He's just a young kid though and I think him flipping out like that shows that he hates to lose.

I'm not too worried because he'll learn to control his emotion a bit better as he matures.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I saw that. He's just a young kid though and I think him flipping out like that shows that he hates to lose.

I'm not too worried because he'll learn to control his emotion a bit better as he matures.

I didn't like what he said but I liked that he said it, if that makes any sense.

He is a fiery competitor. He hates to lose and takes it personally.

Lehner is going to be a very good goalie.

 

[Urkie]

I didn't like what he said but I liked that he said it, if that makes any sense.

He is a fiery competitor. He hates to lose and takes it personally.

Lehner is going to be a very good goalie.

He's very fiery and that's what I like about him. As he matures he'll learn to control it and it'll push him to get even better.

I actually would not be shocked at all if he sees some time up in Ottawa from now until the end of the season. Especially with the way the goalies up in Ottawa have struggled so much. Might as well since he's not getting a lot of time down in Bingo anyway.