Our picks for the Big 12 Conference 2017 (with extras!)

[GoldRusher]

Lol. Like it matters. The same guy is pulling the trigger, son.

riiiggghhhhttt, losing a HOF coach don't matter...ok corky.

 

[tnapucco]

 

[outofyourmind]

Mike Gundy Jr. and Grier be like Negan and that bat headin in to Big12 play in 2017:

Fixed it for you.

 

[romeo212000]

riiiggghhhhttt, losing a HOF coach don't matter...ok corky.

Not for you it doesn't. Keep pretending like Oklahoma suddenly dropped to your level tho.

 

[tnapucco]

Not for you it doesn't. Keep pretending like Oklahoma suddenly dropped to your level tho.

Romes I'm getting scared.

Somebody is gonna get hurt!

 

[romeo212000]

Romes I'm getting scared.

Somebody is gonna get hurt!

Dude, the shit talking is fucking delicious. All these little kids think they can run amuck just because daddy turned the house over to his oldest boy. The wake up calls are gonna be fantastic.

 

[GoldRusher]

Not for you it doesn't. Keep pretending like Oklahoma suddenly dropped to your level tho.

Yall just try to climb up to where WVU is now with your interim HC drinking from a fire hose and all them assistants workin on their resumes during the season .

Bob Stoops aint there anymore to answer them 3am phone calls about a RB hitting a girl down at the piggly wiggly son, that's on a pimple faced kid that aint ever done sh*t as a HC... Yall got work to do

 

[romeo212000]

Yall just try to climb up to where WVU is now with your interim HC drinking from a fire hose and all them assistants workin on their resumes during the season .

Bob Stoops aint there anymore to answer them 3am phone calls about a RB hitting a girl down at the piggly wiggly son, that's on a pimple faced kid that aint ever done sh*t as a HC... Yall got work to do

Lol. 2/10. Get better.

 

[tnapucco]

Yall just try to climb up to where WVU is now with your interim HC drinking from a fire hose and all them assistants workin on their resumes during the season .

Bob Stoops aint there anymore to answer them 3am phone calls about a RB hitting a girl down at the piggly wiggly son, that's on a pimple faced kid that aint ever done sh*t as a HC... Yall got work to do

 

[outofyourmind]

Yall just try to climb up to where WVU is now with your interim HC drinking from a fire hose and all them assistants workin on their resumes during the season .

Bob Stoops aint there anymore to answer them 3am phone calls about a RB hitting a girl down at the piggly wiggly son, that's on a pimple faced kid that aint ever done sh*t as a HC... Yall got work to do

Call 911 for Backup.

The piggly wiggly thing was pretty good though.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Here
Let me try some of that Nostradomus stuff.

You just hired a guy that's exactly like Mack Brown.
Can beat Oklahoma, but goes on to shit the bed, and you guys called it "backing into a conference championship".

That's exactly what Herman will do.

Did I do that right???

Air Raid head coaches who came from that offensive system and their teams defensive rankings (PPGA)

Mike Leach

2003-2004 34.0 (96th)
2004-2005 26.2 (62nd)
2005-2006 19.8 (20th)
2006-2007 27.2 (88th)
2007-2008 27.5 (56th)
2008-2009 29.5 (83rd)
2009-2010 23.2 (41st)
2012-2013 34.9 (100th)
2013-2014 34.4 (100th)
2014-2015 40.2 (121st)
2015-2016 28.0 (68th)
2016-2017 24.8 (37th)

Mark Mangino

2003-2004 32.5 (90th)
2004-2005 21.4 (31st)
2005-2006 23.3 (35th)
2006-2007 26.2 (83rd)
2007-2008 17.8 (6th)
2008-2009 30.1 (86th)
2009-2010 30.7 (90th)

Art Briles

2003-2004 36.0 (104th)
2004-2005 32.2 (92nd)
2005-2006 28.5 (75th)
2006-2007 23.6 (59th)
2007-2008 31.1 (80th)
2008-2009 31.5 (92nd)
2009-2010 28.5 (77th)
2010-2011 32.8 (95th)
2011-2012 40.3 (115th)
2012-2013 38.4 (114th)
2013-2014 25.2 (42nd)
2014-2015 27.2 (59th)
2015-2016 28.1 (69th)

Seth Littrell

2016-2017 33.7 (95th)

Kliff Kingsbury

2013-2014 32.0 (89th)
2014-2015 41.8 (125th)
2015-2016 43.5 (125th)
2016-2017 45.9 (128th)

Mike Jinks

2016-2017 39.5 (116th)

Dana Holgerson

2011-2012 28.0 (63rd)
2012-2013 40.2 (119th)
2013-2014 34.8 (101st)
2014-2015 29.9 (82nd)
2015-2016 25.2 (42nd)
2016-2017 24.2 (35th)

Sonny Dykes

2010-2011 32.9 (97th)
2011-2012 21.6 (25th)
2012-2013 38.5 (116th)
2013-2014 47.4 (125th)
2014-2015 42.1 (126th)
2015-2016 32.1 (88th)
2016-2017 42.6 (125th)

Kevin Sumlin

2008-2009 33.2 (100th)
2009-2010 31.8 (99th)
2010-2011 32.5 (94th)
2011-2012 24.2 (43rd)
2012-2013 21.9 (23rd)
2013-2014 32.6 (92nd)
2014-2015 30.2 (83rd)
2015-2016 22.4 (28th)
2016-2017 26.6 (48th)

But it's gonna be different this time because all of y'all are just trolling and jealous of all Stoops conference championships. We will still play defense at OU!

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Tom Herman has as many top 25 defenses as a head coach as any Air Raid head coach. And he did it his first year.

Just missed his second year too.

Lincoln Riley will be different though fellas. Just wait and see. He's about to run off Saban!

 

[outofyourmind]

Air Raid head coaches who came from that offensive system and their teams defensive rankings (PPGA)

Mike Leach

2003-2004 34.0 (96th)
2004-2005 26.2 (62nd)
2005-2006 19.8 (20th)
2006-2007 27.2 (88th)
2007-2008 27.5 (56th)
2008-2009 29.5 (83rd)
2009-2010 23.2 (41st)
2012-2013 34.9 (100th)
2013-2014 34.4 (100th)
2014-2015 40.2 (121st)
2015-2016 28.0 (68th)
2016-2017 24.8 (37th)

Mark Mangino

2003-2004 32.5 (90th)
2004-2005 21.4 (31st)
2005-2006 23.3 (35th)
2006-2007 26.2 (83rd)
2007-2008 17.8 (6th)
2008-2009 30.1 (86th)
2009-2010 30.7 (90th)

Art Briles

2003-2004 36.0 (104th)
2004-2005 32.2 (92nd)
2005-2006 28.5 (75th)
2006-2007 23.6 (59th)
2007-2008 31.1 (80th)
2008-2009 31.5 (92nd)
2009-2010 28.5 (77th)
2010-2011 32.8 (95th)
2011-2012 40.3 (115th)
2012-2013 38.4 (114th)
2013-2014 25.2 (42nd)
2014-2015 27.2 (59th)
2015-2016 28.1 (69th)

Seth Littrell

2016-2017 33.7 (95th)

Kliff Kingsbury

2013-2014 32.0 (89th)
2014-2015 41.8 (125th)
2015-2016 43.5 (125th)
2016-2017 45.9 (128th)

Mike Jinks

2016-2017 39.5 (116th)

Dana Holgerson

2011-2012 28.0 (63rd)
2012-2013 40.2 (119th)
2013-2014 34.8 (101st)
2014-2015 29.9 (82nd)
2015-2016 25.2 (42nd)
2016-2017 24.2 (35th)

Sonny Dykes

2010-2011 32.9 (97th)
2011-2012 21.6 (25th)
2012-2013 38.5 (116th)
2013-2014 47.4 (125th)
2014-2015 42.1 (126th)
2015-2016 32.1 (88th)
2016-2017 42.6 (125th)

Kevin Sumlin

2008-2009 33.2 (100th)
2009-2010 31.8 (99th)
2010-2011 32.5 (94th)
2011-2012 24.2 (43rd)
2012-2013 21.9 (23rd)
2013-2014 32.6 (92nd)
2014-2015 30.2 (83rd)
2015-2016 22.4 (28th)
2016-2017 26.6 (48th)

But it's gonna be different this time because all of y'all are just trolling and jealous of all Stoops conference championships. We will still play defense at OU!

Gee
Lets look to see if there is a common denominator.
Texas Tech
Kansas
Baylor
North Texas
Texas Tech
Bowling Green
West Virginia
Louisiana Tech
Cal
A&M

Every team on that list outside of aTm and WVU are desperate to find any players with talent on offense or defense. Of course they go to the Air Raid to compensate.

Holgerson seems to be getting on track and I don't know what the fuck is Sumlins problem in the SEC.

Nobody is saying that kind of Offense doesn't have it's drawbacks but you seem to think you know what Lincoln Riley will do, and I just don't buy it.

But lets keep thinking that you can see into the future and figure out what Lincoln Riley is going to do, even though his 2 years at Oklahoma has seen him do the opposite of what you are talking about.

 

[tnapucco]

Gee
Lets look to see if there is a common denominator.
Texas Tech
Kansas
Baylor
North Texas
Texas Tech
Bowling Green
West Virginia
Louisiana Tech
Cal
A&M

Every team on that list outside of aTm and WVU are desperate to find any players with talent on offense or defense. Of course they go to the Air Raid to compensate.

Holgerson seems to be getting on track and I don't know what the fuck is Sumlins problem in the SEC.

Nobody is saying that kind of Offense doesn't have it's drawbacks but you seem to think you know what Lincoln Riley will do, and I just don't buy it.

But lets keep thinking that you can see into the future and figure out what Lincoln Riley is going to do, even though his 2 years at Oklahoma has seen him do the opposite of what you are talking about.

He ran the ball WAAAY fucking more than Josh Heupel ever did I can tell you that brother!

 

[ericd7633]

Air Raid head coaches who came from that offensive system and their teams defensive rankings (PPGA)

Mike Leach

2003-2004 34.0 (96th)
2004-2005 26.2 (62nd)
2005-2006 19.8 (20th)
2006-2007 27.2 (88th)
2007-2008 27.5 (56th)
2008-2009 29.5 (83rd)
2009-2010 23.2 (41st)
2012-2013 34.9 (100th)
2013-2014 34.4 (100th)
2014-2015 40.2 (121st)
2015-2016 28.0 (68th)
2016-2017 24.8 (37th)

Mark Mangino

2003-2004 32.5 (90th)
2004-2005 21.4 (31st)
2005-2006 23.3 (35th)
2006-2007 26.2 (83rd)
2007-2008 17.8 (6th)
2008-2009 30.1 (86th)
2009-2010 30.7 (90th)

Art Briles

2003-2004 36.0 (104th)
2004-2005 32.2 (92nd)
2005-2006 28.5 (75th)
2006-2007 23.6 (59th)
2007-2008 31.1 (80th)
2008-2009 31.5 (92nd)
2009-2010 28.5 (77th)
2010-2011 32.8 (95th)
2011-2012 40.3 (115th)
2012-2013 38.4 (114th)
2013-2014 25.2 (42nd)
2014-2015 27.2 (59th)
2015-2016 28.1 (69th)

Seth Littrell

2016-2017 33.7 (95th)

Kliff Kingsbury

2013-2014 32.0 (89th)
2014-2015 41.8 (125th)
2015-2016 43.5 (125th)
2016-2017 45.9 (128th)

Mike Jinks

2016-2017 39.5 (116th)

Dana Holgerson

2011-2012 28.0 (63rd)
2012-2013 40.2 (119th)
2013-2014 34.8 (101st)
2014-2015 29.9 (82nd)
2015-2016 25.2 (42nd)
2016-2017 24.2 (35th)

Sonny Dykes

2010-2011 32.9 (97th)
2011-2012 21.6 (25th)
2012-2013 38.5 (116th)
2013-2014 47.4 (125th)
2014-2015 42.1 (126th)
2015-2016 32.1 (88th)
2016-2017 42.6 (125th)

Kevin Sumlin

2008-2009 33.2 (100th)
2009-2010 31.8 (99th)
2010-2011 32.5 (94th)
2011-2012 24.2 (43rd)
2012-2013 21.9 (23rd)
2013-2014 32.6 (92nd)
2014-2015 30.2 (83rd)
2015-2016 22.4 (28th)
2016-2017 26.6 (48th)

But it's gonna be different this time because all of y'all are just trolling and jealous of all Stoops conference championships. We will still play defense at OU!

PPGA is one of the dumbest metrics in determining how good a defense is. In 2015 OU was 5th in defensive efficiency using that Air Raid attack.

Be smarter.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Gee
Lets look to see if there is a common denominator.
Texas Tech
Kansas
Baylor
North Texas
Texas Tech
Bowling Green
West Virginia
Louisiana Tech
Cal
A&M

Every team on that list outside of aTm and WVU are desperate to find any players with talent on offense or defense. Of course they go to the Air Raid to compensate.

Holgerson seems to be getting on track and I don't know what the fuck is Sumlins problem in the SEC.

Nobody is saying that kind of Offense doesn't have it's drawbacks but you seem to think you know what Lincoln Riley will do, and I just don't buy it.

But lets keep thinking that you can see into the future and figure out what Lincoln Riley is going to do, even though his 2 years at Oklahoma has seen him do the opposite of what you are talking about.

History is a great predictor of the future. You are just choosing to ignore it. Stoops had a good thing going. He ran the team with a defense minded approach first. Since he did that, he was able to bring in these offensive masterminds and the approach was very successful.

Stoops strongest suit was his ability to see talent in offensive coaches and give them the reigns. Air Raid is such a total approach to football the way Mike Leach taught all these guys that Lincoln Riley would literally be the first to keep defense as any sort priority in the way the team operates. Good luck...

 

[outofyourmind]

He ran the team with a defense minded approach first.

I guess you weren't paying attention since 2008 then.
He brought his brother back, let Venables go to Clemson and we haven't done shit since.

You're thinking of Bob in his first 10 seasons.

 

[GoldRusher]

Tom Herman has as many top 25 defenses as a head coach as any Air Raid head coach. And he did it his first year.

Just missed his second year too.

Lincoln Riley will be different though fellas. Just wait and see. He's about to run off Saban!

Right? I mean, remember when all those threads popped up on the Hoop last year about where Lincoln Riley was gonna go to be the next HC at _________?

Nope, that was Herman but no...no...he's gonna be awesome at Muleshoe U cause this was OU's plan all along, have Stoops quit in early summer and replace him with a dude who aint never even sniffed a HC gig

 

[Hook'Em0608]

PPGA is one of the dumbest metrics in determining how good a defense is. In 2015 OU was 5th in defensive efficiency using that Air Raid attack.

Be smarter.

Yes, points allowed a game is so stupid as to how effective a team is at stopping another team from scoring points.

Especially in the context that an Air Raid team is almost never good at defense. Notice I said team, of which the defense is only part of.

The team is absolutely responsible for how many points they give up. Which the goal is to give up as few as possible. Unless they changed the rules of football and I missed it.

Not being efficient, not giving up yards, it's still about points.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I guess you weren't paying attention since 2008 then.
He brought his brother back, let Venables go to Clemson and we haven't done shit since.

You're thinking of Bob in his first 10 seasons.

Brent had a bad ass defense in 2009. Your offense sucked. Dumbest fucking move Stoops made was letting him go for his dumb ass brother. I'll agree with that. But you know why he did it.