Our picks for the Big 12 Conference 2017 (with extras!)

[Hook'Em0608]

Keep talking about shit you know nothing about. Only about 70% of the board thinks you're a complete jackass so keep going.

Board popularity smack.

 

[tnapucco]

Your first paragraph is a reasonable take. You are trusting Stoops judgement, which is reasonable. Optimism is fine, lord knows I've lived off that shit for years now. But outright coach worship for a guy who hasn't ran a program before leaves you open to criticism. And I'm damn sure going to criticize my rival in that case.

Welp.....Atlanta here we come!

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Welp.....Atlanta here we come!

You just might, Mayfield, while a bonehead, is a special QB. That kind of talent cures coaching ineptitude. Hell, made Greg Davis look like a competent offensive coordinator for years.

 

[ericd7633]

I'll say whatever I want to say bitch. No one crowned your dumb ass king of college football. If you want to make the argument that Air Raid coaches prioritize defense and use 5 examples over 4 years, you are the one who looks like a moron. And yes, you are cherry picking stats. Every defensive metric and even the most well known efficiency ratings agree with me. Not you. I originally used PPGA because it is actually kinder to Air Raid teams than YPGA, YPPA, and similar other stats. DFEI isn't kind either. Buy by god you found some random stat on the internet. You are so smart...

Sure, ESPN is some random outlet, who the hell has heard of them before? Like I said in my first post:

Be smarter.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Sure, ESPN is some random outlet, who the hell has heard of them before? Like I said in my first post:

Be smarter.

In the world of advanced metrics ESPN has done nothing but steal other people's work, tweak it a little, and call it their own. You know that though.

Like I said, you found the only stat on the internet that backs your premise, while almost all the others back mine. Only in your head is that a win in a debate. Well, maybe some Oklahoma fans too.

 

[ericd7633]

In the world of advanced metrics ESPN has done nothing but steal other people's work, tweak it a little, and call it their own. You know that though.

Like I said, you found the only stat on the internet that backs your premise, while almost all the others back mine. Only in your head is that a win in a debate. Well, maybe some Oklahoma fans too.

Congrats on using outdated stats. It's funny that you don't realize the Air Raid attack was the only reason schools like TTU and Baylor were relevant. Texas Tech has finished ranked 11 times in school history Leach was at the helm for 5 of them. Baylor was non existent before Briles got there, and his defenses were good towards the end of his tenure. I mean it's not like TTU's defense got better with Tuperville. It actually got significantly worse.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Congrats on using outdated stats. It's funny that you don't realize the Air Raid attack was the only reason schools like TTU and Baylor were relevant. Texas Tech has finished ranked 11 times in school history Leach was at the helm for 5 of them. Baylor was non existent before Briles got there, and his defenses were good towards the end of his tenure. I mean it's not like TTU's defense got better with Tuperville. It actually got significantly worse.

It has it's merits. Not saying otherwise. You can take a less talented team, force the big uglies to get tired without substituting, create mismatches if they play linebackers, take advantage of a team that doesn't have a stable of DB's, etc.

If they do bring in a bunch of DB's you run the ball down their throat. It's a very intelligent offense. Just simply take advantage of mismatches.

My problem, after seeing Texas run it for a season, and listening to how Briles (remember he is probably the gold standard for Air Raid success on the big stage) implemented it. Gilbert was a Briles protege. The practice and everything is centered on getting quick reps for the offense. Defensive teaching suffered.

Texas actually got worse defensively without almost every contributor from the year prior returning. That by itself is anecdotal evidence. But Charlie Strong has succeeded defensively every where he's gone but Texas when he messed up by hiring a shit OC at first, then went full retard embracing the Air Raid to attempt to save his job.

If you look at the data, for every mediocre to decent defense an Air Raid coach has, there are 4 years of terrible defense being played. Some guys got elite defensive minds and were able to salvage decent defensive performance.

Guys like John Chavis, Tony Gibson, and Phil Bennett had some success. But even that success is much lesser than their historical norms. Especially a guy like Chavis with the NFL talent Texas A&M had on defense the last couple years.

 

[8085sooner]

It has it's merits. Not saying otherwise. You can take a less talented team, force the big uglies to get tired without substituting, create mismatches if they play linebackers, take advantage of a team that doesn't have a stable of DB's, etc.

If they do bring in a bunch of DB's you run the ball down their throat. It's a very intelligent offense. Just simply take advantage of mismatches.

My problem, after seeing Texas run it for a season, and listening to how Briles (remember he is probably the gold standard for Air Raid success on the big stage) implemented it. Gilbert was a Briles protege. The practice and everything is centered on getting quick reps for the offense. Defensive teaching suffered.

Texas actually got worse defensively without almost every contributor from the year prior returning. That by itself is anecdotal evidence. But Charlie Strong has succeeded defensively every where he's gone but Texas when he messed up by hiring a shit OC at first, then went full retard embracing the Air Raid to attempt to save his job.

If you look at the data, for every mediocre to decent defense an Air Raid coach has, there are 4 years of terrible defense being played. Some guys got elite defensive minds and were able to salvage decent defensive performance.

Guys like John Chavis, Tony Gibson, and Phil Bennett had some success. But even that success is much lesser than their historical norms. Especially a guy like Chavis with the NFL talent Texas A&M had on defense the last couple years.

He's not wrong and proof is OU and Riley last year. The first three games, we didn't run the ball. Fucking game against Houston Mixon and Perine only got 11 touches between them. OU didn't start playing good football, until we ran the Ball 60% of the time. The game against TT was a cluster fuck, defense. The only reason we won that game was TT defense was just as bad and they didn't have, Mixon and Perine.


As we controlled the game with a solid running game, OU defense improved. The Air Raid, has it's place but it's not going to work, against top defenses, with teams that can control the game and give the defense a rest. 80 snaps a game will wear on any player and without good or solid backups, players will just wear out.

OU ran more of a no hurry up, no huddle offense, last year. The games that OU dominated, 4 players stood out on offense, Baker, Mixon, Perrine and Westbrook.

Mark this down, OU will run 4 or 5 Complete Drives against tOSU, with Murray as the QB. He might be the fastest 40 guy in CF but definitely the quickest at the 20 yards and the shuffle. Baker can scramble, well when he's sober but Murray will give defenses fits. He doesn't have the arm, of Baker or Kendal, but he makes, Dlineman and LB, look like idiots. Plus Safeties have to eye down and leave 1 on 1 with DB's deep.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

He's not wrong and proof is OU and Riley last year. The first three games, we didn't run the ball. Fucking game against Houston Mixon and Perine only got 11 touches between them. OU didn't start playing good football, until we ran the Ball 60% of the time. The game against TT was a cluster fuck, defense. The only reason we won that game was TT defense was just as bad and they didn't have, Mixon and Perine.


As we controlled the game with a solid running game, OU defense improved. The Air Raid, has it's place but it's not going to work, against top defenses, with teams that can control the game and give the defense a rest. 80 snaps a game will wear on any player and without good or solid backups, players will just wear out.

OU ran more of a no hurry up, no huddle offense, last year. The games that OU dominated, 4 players stood out on offense, Baker, Mixon, Perrine and Westbrook.

Mark this down, OU will run 4 or 5 Complete Drives against tOSU, with Murray as the QB. He might be the fastest 40 guy in CF but definitely the quickest at the 20 yards and the shuffle. Baker can scramble, well when he's sober but Murray will give defenses fits. He doesn't have the arm, of Baker or Kendal, but he makes, Dlineman and LB, look like idiots. Plus Safeties have to eye down and leave 1 on 1 with DB's deep.

I agree with this, but you have to look at Riley's first instinct. To pass the ball to set up the run, it's the basis for the entire Air Raid system. He had 2 NFL RB's on the roster and even still he had to lose to Houston and Ohio St before he finally started to make them the focal point. It's ingrained in him.

Maybe he will change because of the success last year, I don't know. But neither do any of you guys. He is the man now. Decisions run through him and not Stoops. Who has always had a pretty good running game at OU. We will see.

 

[GoldRusher]

You think it was the money.

Yea it was the money, the money he could make as an OC because Stoops wasn't planning on retiring like you sooner sheep humpers want people to believe and no he was not a freggin HCIW at OU, stop eating glue, he was an OC and that's it.
He used a "news" report as a tool to negotiate mo money. Holgorsen and his agent did the same thing with "reports" that had him as a candidate for the Oregon job and worked WVU for a raise/extension. Dang son, you really did just fall off the high turnip truck didn't ya?

 

[romeo212000]

Yea it was the money, the money he could make as an OC because Stoops wasn't planning on retiring like you sooner sheep humpers want people to believe and no he was not a freggin HCIW at OU, stop eating glue, he was an OC and that's it.
He used a "news" report as a tool to negotiate mo money. Holgorsen and his agent did the same thing with "reports" that had him as a candidate for the Oregon job and worked WVU for a raise/extension. Dang son, you really did just fall off the high turnip truck didn't ya?

Lmao. Yeah, you know how everything went down in the Oklahoma program...

It's been well reported that Stoops was grooming Riley to take over pretty much from the start.

 

[Boise4Life]

I'm kind of hoping to see Chokelahomo fuck off for a while if not forever. They've had such a stranglehold on the conference lately. I always rooted for UT in the RRSO growing up. That probably won't happen in the short term considering they are returning quite a bit, but with Stoopid gone now it could likely occur in the longer run. Time will tell.

 

[romeo212000]

I'm kind of hoping to see Chokelahomo fuck off for a while if not forever. They've had such a stranglehold on the conference lately. I always rooted for UT in the RRSO growing up. That probably won't happen in the short term considering they are returning quite a bit, but with Stoopid gone now it could likely occur in the longer run. Time will tell.

Yeah? Well fuck you too!

 

[Dolgevillefootballfan]

Texas Christian

Preview segment: The TCU Horned Frogs

Last season: OK, I know it was hard to replace Trevone Boykin, so I'd expected some issues on offense. But still, HOW in the HELL did TCU go 6-7 last year? I mean, Gary Patterson had another fantastic defense- wait, that defense ranked only 73rd in the FBS? ...Well, that explains it.

Good news: Expect the defense to recover from that slip-up, thanks to experience and a increase in size. RB Kyle Hicks leads what should be a good running attack, and I see QB Kenny Hill throwing the ball to his WR's...

Bad news: ...Whoops, his WR just dropped ANOTHER one! Hopefully the rest of the WR's will break that awful habit. And hopefully TCU's kicking game will NOT suck this season (it costed them 3 games in 2016, and none of the 4 kickers they have stood out in the spring). Even the defense has a problem; it lost it's top 2 pass rushers.

Key games:
9/9 @ Arkansas (It was a rough 41-38 loss in Fort Worth the last time TCU plays the Razorbacks. Let's see how Kenny Hill will respond- Oops, he just threw another interception!)
9/23 @ Oklahoma State (Wow... This one should be a dandy! A QB duel between Mason Rudolph and Kenny Hill- Whoops, Hill just threw another INT!)

Okay, sorry about that, Mr. Hill. Where was I?
11/4 vs. Texas (In all seriousness, let's hope Hill and the passing game will be running well entering November, because it's gonna be a struggle when the Longhorns come to town.)
11/11 @ Oklahoma (Then after that, the Frogs must go to Norman...)
11/18 @ Texas Tech (...and then avoid the upset against a desperate Texas Tech team.)

Bottom line: 2017 is gonna be a critical season for TCU. Gary Patterson is a A-list coach, so he should be able to right the ship and get TCU to at least 8 wins this year (and get that defense up and running). But if he somehow can't, the school could get buried by the Texas Longhorns in the Big 12.
So Kenny Hill, I hope you can help out with that- Wait, is he stealing my car?! WHAT ARE YOU DOING, YOU INCOMPETENT IDIOT?!?

 

[outofyourmind]

I'm kind of hoping to see Chokelahomo fuck off for a while if not forever. They've had such a stranglehold on the conference lately. I always rooted for UT in the RRSO growing up. That probably won't happen in the short term considering they are returning quite a bit, but with Stoopid gone now it could likely occur in the longer run. Time will tell.

Dude
You just described your teams nose dive into the toilet.
The difference between teams like yours and teams like mine is mine always gets back up and running and your 15 minutes are up.

CYA

 

[outofyourmind]

Texas Christian

Preview segment: The TCU Horned Frogs

Last season: OK, I know it was hard to replace Trevone Boykin, so I'd expected some issues on offense. But still, HOW in the HELL did TCU go 6-7 last year? I mean, Gary Patterson had another fantastic defense- wait, that defense ranked only 73rd in the FBS? ...Well, that explains it.

Good news: Expect the defense to recover from that slip-up, thanks to experience and a increase in size. RB Kyle Hicks leads what should be a good running attack, and I see QB Kenny Hill throwing the ball to his WR's...

Bad news: ...Whoops, his WR just dropped ANOTHER one! Hopefully the rest of the WR's will break that awful habit. And hopefully TCU's kicking game will NOT suck this season (it costed them 3 games in 2016, and none of the 4 kickers they have stood out in the spring). Even the defense has a problem; it lost it's top 2 pass rushers.

Key games:
9/9 @ Arkansas (It was a rough 41-38 loss in Fort Worth the last time TCU plays the Razorbacks. Let's see how Kenny Hill will respond- Oops, he just threw another interception!)
9/23 @ Oklahoma State (Wow... This one should be a dandy! A QB duel between Mason Rudolph and Kenny Hill- Whoops, Hill just threw another INT!)

Okay, sorry about that, Mr. Hill. Where was I?
11/4 vs. Texas (In all seriousness, let's hope Hill and the passing game will be running well entering November, because it's gonna be a struggle when the Longhorns come to town.)
11/11 @ Oklahoma (Then after that, the Frogs must go to Norman...)
11/18 @ Texas Tech (...and then avoid the upset against a desperate Texas Tech team.)

Bottom line: 2017 is gonna be a critical season for TCU. Gary Patterson is a A-list coach, so he should be able to right the ship and get TCU to at least 8 wins this year (and get that defense up and running). But if he somehow can't, the school could get buried by the Texas Longhorns in the Big 12.
So Kenny Hill, I hope you can help out with that- Wait, is he stealing my car?! WHAT ARE YOU DOING, YOU INCOMPETENT IDIOT?!?

In the Big XII Media Days yesterday, Gary (fat whiny bitch) Patterson made it clear that Kenny Thrill just might not be the QB for the Horned Frogs.

I thought it was interesting because most of the time Coaches don't want such distractions going into the season, but Mr Fuck Face seems to want to perpetuate it. Go figure.

 

[Dolgevillefootballfan]

Kansas State

Preview segment: The Kansas State Wildcats

Last season: Think about this for a moment: Bill Snyder has now been with Kansas State for about 25 seasons. That goes all the way back from 1989 to 2016. And you know what? 2016's team was the youngest that Snyder ever put onto the football field.
And whattya know! Those youngsters went 9-4, scored a rare win over Texas, and then beat Texas A&M in a bowl game. Now with a strong team coming back, this may be one of K-State's best chances to grab a Big 12 title.

2017 X-factor: Bill Snyder's health- And it may be Snyder's final chance to get one. Not because he's 78, but because he went through throat cancer treatments in the offseason. You just know that the team's gonna find a way to rally around their coach.

Good news: After some iffy moments, Jesse Ertz became the man on the K-State campus late last season. And with a strong running game also returning, expect Ertz to have more fun in Manhattan. Also, the secondary SHOULD be better this season.

Bad news: That defensive line, though, could be an issue; it lost quite a few people from a year ago.

Key games:
9/16 @ Vanderbilt (Don't sleep on this one; both of these teams should be well-coached. That goes double for the K-State defense; don't sleep on the 'Dores.)
10/7 @ Texas (Texas may be still figuring things out, but they'll still want revenge on the Wildcats for that 24-21 loss.)
10/21 vs. Oklahoma (OK, Lincoln Riley! You're about to find out what a Bill Snyder-coached team is all about! Ideally, Mayfield and Ertz will have a QB duel here.)
11/11 vs. West Virginia (A tricky contest for the Wildcats. Not just because of the Mountaineer offense, but because a trip to OK State is right afterwards.)

Bottom line: With much of the attention focused on Snyder's health, Kansas State may be thinking of 2017 as a "All-in" season. If this young Wildcats team continues to get better, don't be surprised to see them in the Big 12 title game come December. The key is that D-line keeping it together.

 

[outofyourmind]

Bottom line: With much of the attention focused on Snyder's health, Kansas State may be thinking of 2017 as a "All-in" season. If this young Wildcats team continues to get better, don't be surprised to see them in the Big 12 title game come December. The key is that D-line keeping it together.

Big XII media was talking about this situation with Snyders health yesterday.
They tell us that Bill Snyder very much wants his son, Sean, to take over the program when he steps down, but nobody up there seems to want that at all and it will be a fight when it happens.

They also thought that there might be signs of Bill Snyder's cancer progressing faster than thought and that he just might resign mid season in order to force the issue about his son to the Administration, and make them name Sean at interim head coach, just to get him in there.

I see huge infighting and people/coaches trying to position themselves for the ever approaching change, and because of this, predict that KSU just might be a dumpster fire this year.

 

[Boise4Life]

Dude
You just described your teams nose dive into the toilet.
The difference between teams like yours and teams like mine is mine always gets back up and running and your 15 minutes are up.

CYA

True statement.

 

[starbigd]

MAN, this thread was a fun read.......