OT: Detroit Files for Bankruptcy

[mattola]

Judge orders Detroit to withdraw bankruptcy filing - Jul. 19, 2013

 

[forty_three]

Michigan board OKs new Red Wings arena in Detroit - ESPN



Illitch is a fucking douche. And the idiots running Detroit aren't much better.

Move the Wings to KC. They already have a new arena. AND NO BANKRUPTCY.

 

[mattola]

Michigan board OKs new Red Wings arena in Detroit - ESPN



Illitch is a fucking douche. And the idiots running Detroit aren't much better.

Move the Wings to KC. They already have a new arena. AND NO BANKRUPTCY.

i have to agree with you on this one. but I dont know exactly what Illitch does for Detroit outside hockey maybe its a way more than we know. Also if that complex can add jobs and services and tax money to the system long term perhaps its worth it. I dont think he is a douche for this but its not pretty in their situation.

 

[dash]

The Joe is one of the older buildings in the league (I think it's a year or two older than the Saddledome), but $650 million seems rather high for a 18,000 seat arena.

 

[forty_three]

i have to agree with you on this one. but I dont know exactly what Illitch does for Detroit outside hockey maybe its a way more than we know. Also if that complex can add jobs and services and tax money to the system long term perhaps its worth it. I dont think he is a douche for this but its not pretty in their situation.

It says it is going to revitalize an area and add jobs. But they want to put it in an area that already has the baseball and football stadiums. And it is replacing another arena.

So the area already has a draw, and the "new" jobs will replace the same positions elsewhere. The 5200 construction jobs are temporary and they will probably go out of state to fill those anyway.

To me he's saying "Bankrupt? Sucks for you. But I still want my toys." Biggest ass there. And Ted Nugent is from there, so being the biggest ass is a pretty tough task.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I heard this. Have Omni Corp buy half of Detroit & turn it into Delta City, and leave Old Detroit to waste, like in Robocop!

 

[mattola]

LOL I was thinking the same thing when I heard this. Have Omni Corp buy half of Detroit & turn it into Delta City, and leave Old Detroit to waste, like in Robocop!

RoboCop creator: Detroit shows this fictional future is upon us - CNN.com

 

[RobBase]

It says it is going to revitalize an area and add jobs. But they want to put it in an area that already has the baseball and football stadiums. And it is replacing another arena.

So the area already has a draw, and the "new" jobs will replace the same positions elsewhere. The 5200 construction jobs are temporary and they will probably go out of state to fill those anyway.

To me he's saying "Bankrupt? Sucks for you. But I still want my toys." Biggest ass there. And Ted Nugent is from there, so being the biggest ass is a pretty tough task.

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[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

RoboCop creator: Detroit shows this fictional future is upon us - CNN.com

I watched Robocop 1 & 2 after I heard about the city's chapter 9 filing, crazy how something which seemed like science fiction seems like an actual possibility now.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I watched Robocop 1 & 2 after I heard about the city's chapter 9 filing, crazy how something which seemed like science fiction seems like an actual possibility now.

I don't remember anything in the bankruptcy filing about the creation of a half man/half robot police officer though.

That would be pretty awesome though.

 

[forty_three]

Little Caesars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So... at least the pizza will be cheap and terrible? Illitch has experience with things around him going bankrupt?

I don't remember anything in the bankruptcy filing about the creation of a half man/half robot police officer though.

That would be pretty awesome though.

A co-worker once described me as a cross between Doc Brown and Robocop.

/not relevant.

 

[RobBase]

Illitch has experience with things around him going bankrupt?

Yes, as in all the things run by the corrupt Democrats who have been driving the city into the ground around him for 50 years while he continues to succeed, build and grow.

Look, you hate the Red Wings because we face fuck you every year dating back to day 1. We get it. Our hockey team has nothing at all to do with the inept city's BK.

 

[esls79]

Yes, as in all the things run by the corrupt Democrats who have been driving the city into the ground around him for 50 years while he continues to succeed, build and grow.

Look, you hate the Red Wings because we face fuck you every year dating back to day 1. We get it. Our hockey team has nothing at all to do with the inept city's BK.

I'm pretty sure he hates the Wings because they have an entitled, whiny ass owner (some say these qualities extend into their fanbase) who the league and it's so-called disciplinarian apparently bow down to. But then again I'm just guessing...

 

[forty_three]

Yes, as in all the things run by the corrupt Democrats who have been driving the city into the ground around him for 50 years while he continues to succeed, build and grow.

Look, you hate the Red Wings because we face fuck you every year dating back to day 1. We get it. Our hockey team has nothing at all to do with the inept city's BK.

From the Article...
"This is part of investing in Detroit's future," said Snyder, a Republican who blessed a state-appointed emergency manager's request to take the city into bankruptcy last week. "That's the message we need to get across.

Clearly a one sided problem.

I am not originally from Columbus, I have no problem with anything Detroit/Michigan related. I know and work with a lot of people from there and very few are Tim Thomas/Ted Nugent levels of derp (although it is there, obviously). Gordie Howe's jersey is above my desk right now. A bank I work with has a lot of offices there and I work with a lot of Law enforcement there and one thing that always strikes me is most people there are pretty resilient and tough, and willing to help each other out.

So asking for an arena while the city crumbles and continuing to try and cash in during it is inexcusable. If you had a friend who was out of work for a while and finally got a job it would be unbelievably douchey to ask him for the 50 bucks he owes you before he gets his first paycheck and gets back on is feet.

I can't even measure how douchey it is to ask him to lend you money before he gets his shit together...


If there is 300 million in tax money and 5300 people who want construction work, they need to finish the Mayor's mission of filling the decay with greenspace.

 

[RobBase]

From the Article...
"This is part of investing in Detroit's future," said Snyder, a Republican who blessed a state-appointed emergency manager's request to take the city into bankruptcy last week. "That's the message we need to get across.

Clearly a one sided problem.

Do you know who Kwame Kilpatrick is?

 

[forty_three]

Do you know who Kwame Kilpatrick is?

Wasn't he in a Tribe Called Quest?

 

[jdwills126]

Maybe this will explain a new hockey arena.

Al Pacino: Angry Red Wings Fan

 

[RobBase]

So asking for an arena while the city crumbles and continuing to try and cash in during it is inexcusable.

You just perfectly described the auto unions and their relation with the auto makers. Only difference now is nothing is crumbling. It's crumbled. And as all good business men understand, the only way to flourish is to rebuild. The Red Wings bring 20k people downtown several times a week. That creates jobs, income etc...the Wings are not and never have been a problem for Detroit. It's the tax payer $$$ that never gets seen again that was the problem. Literally, nothing to do with hockey at all.

 

[jdwills126]

Couldn't help myself.

But I will say Mike Illitch's timing on a new arena could have been a helluva lot better. With that being said the City of Detroit will not foot any of the bill but will have citizens get jobs, pay taxes, and attract more events from the suburbs into the city. But thats the long term effect and most people can't get past of how can a new arena go downtown with tax payers funding it.

The State of Michigan minus Detroit is doing well. Last year their was a budget surplus of over 540 million dollars. And the West side of the State is growing pretty fast. But they tend to be Chicago or Green Bay fans so F them!

 

[forty_three]

Couldn't help myself.

But I will say Mike Illitch's timing on a new arena could have been a helluva lot better. With that being said the City of Detroit will not foot any of the bill but will have citizens get jobs, pay taxes, and attract more events from the suburbs into the city. But thats the long term effect and most people can't get past of how can a new arena go downtown with tax payers funding it.

The State of Michigan minus Detroit is doing well. Last year their was a budget surplus of over 540 million dollars. And the West side of the State is growing pretty fast. But they tend to be Chicago or Green Bay fans so F them!

I guess what I don't get is what exactly will this Arena do that the existing one doesn't, to such a large degree. The Wings sell out most games, and the existing arena employs people now. This new arena will not create jobs, it will move jobs.

The area he wants to put the new one has a football stadium and baseball stadium. This new arena will not revitalize an area, it will add to it. And eventually just create another big, empty building in the old location.

I don't think a new building will attract any more events than the existing arena because sell out capacity will be 2k+ less.

So the only thing a new arena WILL have the existing one doesn't is naming rights able to be sold.

Plus the way Detroit businesses usually handle construction contracts pretty much guarantees the construction money will not stay in the area.

In a healthy city, it's pointless. In Detroit it's almost criminal.