OT: Catholics vs. Cousins

[forty_three]

I'm sure God is cheering for the team that covers up it's players raping females around campus. Annnnyway...Roll Tide. Please. Roll 'em up.

Wouldn't that pretty much cover every college team?

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Wouldn't that pretty much cover every college team?

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[pixburgher66]

Wouldn't that pretty much cover every college team?

Was thinking the same thing.

I thought the same thing, and it's probably accurate, but the fact of the matter is it happened, the girl made a report, they never followed through, and she committed suicide because other players told her to shut up. Another girl was assaulted and didn't report anything because of that case. Then, their President (A REVEREND!) refused to meet with the first girls family and discuss the matter. People are all over PSU, and RIGHTFULLY SO, because football came first and young boys were attacked. It's almost like because it was young women people just 'expect' it. I hold a "Christian" organization to higher standards than most schools, and they handled this and the young man who died while filming situation quite poorly. Essentially they consider themselves as a group greater than the law...just like many (not all) of their fans consider themselves the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[flyersfan4706]

Rooting for ND just to shut up all the "Psh, Bama is gonna kill them easily" people

 

[awaz]

I thought the same thing, and it's probably accurate, but the fact of the matter is it happened, the girl made a report, they never followed through, and she committed suicide because other players told her to shut up. Another girl was assaulted and didn't report anything because of that case. Then, their President (A REVEREND!) refused to meet with the first girls family and discuss the matter. People are all over PSU, and RIGHTFULLY SO, because football came first and young boys were attacked. It's almost like because it was young women people just 'expect' it. I hold a "Christian" organization to higher standards than most schools, and they handled this and the young man who died while filming situation quite poorly. Essentially they consider themselves as a group greater than the law...just like many (not all) of their fans consider themselves the best thing since sliced bread.

dont think i heard this story.. do i live under a rock or was this not covered much? either way, thats pretty terrible

 

[pixburgher66]

"Generations of Notre Dame students, including football players, have lived by the rules laid down in a booklet (and now a Web page) called du Lac: A Guide to Student Life. Hence, when fifth-year senior fullback Rashon Powers-Neal was arrested for DUI in the fall of 2005, du Lac mandated that he be suspended from all extracurricular activities, including intercollegiate athletics. Weis had no say in the decision. Three years later Weis lost tight end Will Yeatman, who was arrested for suspicion of underage drinking, resisting arrest and providing false information in a raid at an off-campus party that nabbed 37 Notre Dame students, including 22 athletes. (The charges were dismissed against Yeatman, who had previously pled guilty to DUI. He transferred to Maryland and now plays for the Dolphins.)
Upon leaving Notre Dame, Weis did an interview with a small group of selected media in which he said, in response to a question about the biggest problem on Notre Dame’s campus, “Oh, it’s Residence Life [the disciplinary branch of the school's student affairs office]. It’s not even close for second…. I just think these are college kids, and college kids do what college kids do. Let’s say a kid has been too loud because he had some alcohol, why wouldn’t you just tell him to go to bed? … I’m just saying boys will be boys, and I’m just defending them.” (Weis never specifically said that he was talking about football players, but he was the football coach.)
More quietly, in the summer of 2010 Notre Dame dismissed associate vice president for residence life Bill Kirk, who for more than two decades had been du Lac ‘s enforcer. Kirk’s leaving was seen by some in the Notre Dame community as a capitulation to the departed Weis’s clamor for softer discipline. Philosophy associate professor David Solomon, who has taught at the school since 1968 and was the director of Notre Dame’s Center for Ethics and Culture, wrote a 2,000-word post on the online newspaper The Irish Rover, in which he said that football fans, “… frequently charge that Bill Kirk’s enforcement of Notre Dame’s disciplinary code was too harsh and that his insistence that Notre Dame athletes be subject to the same rules as other Notre Dame students was responsible for our repeated failures on the athletic fields.” And also this: “In a summer in which all Domers were celebrating the distance between our oversight of athletics and the disorderly mess at USC, this incident [Kirk's exit] raised questions about just how different we really are.”
…The changes became evident when wide receiver Michael Floyd was arrested for drunken driving in the spring of 2011, before his final season at Notre Dame. It was Floyd’s third alcohol-related offense during his college career, yet his discipline was handled by Kelly, and Floyd did not miss a game. “With Michael Floyd,” says Kelly, “I was the beneficiary of the student code of conduct being updated. Residential Life is going to be the final authority, but changes to du Lac kept Michael in the university, which then allowed me to discipline him to the level that [I deemed]was appropriate."

This happens everywhere, and it's sad to think that ND USED to be the ones who actually enforced things. Because their Dir. of Student Life had the audacity to enforce the same rules to their athletes? A student is a student. As someone with a crap ton of student loans looming in the distance, I cannot accept the idea of athletes being allowed to get away with murder (turn of phrase). It's a tight line, because I know that big schools use these guys to turn major profit, but discipline shouldn't be compromised. Kelly doing discipline? What did he do...make him freaking run? While a non-athlete gets kicked out?

 

[pixburgher66]

dont think i heard this story.. do i live under a rock or was this not covered much? either way, thats pretty terrible

It's AMAZING the lack of coverage it's gotten. Happened in 2010 (right after the change in athlete discipline and the Dir. of Student Life left). By the way, the asswipe that did this is still on the team and WILL be playing for a National Championship. And his name is unknown.

Reported sexual assault at Notre Dame campus leaves more questions than answers | National Catholic Reporter

It's a long article. But this girl was depressed and apparently that's how the school is defending not looking into it. Others that were around said she was "throwing herself all over him", etc. Meanwhile, evidence points to the contrary. She was super-conservative, catholic, "saving herself for marriage", etc. It's tough to read, especially knowing that ND now set the standard, and more women WON'T report it.

 

[pixburgher66]

Also, sorry for going all politics guys. I'll stop in this thread, but it's a vastly uncovered story and as much as I love football, it's disturbing how it's coming first all over the country.

 

[pixburgher66]

Wait...this is the last non-playoff BCS Championship? I'm much happier now. Bring on the playoffs!

 

[awaz]

Wait...this is the last non-playoff BCS Championship? I'm much happier now. Bring on the playoffs!

do not want

 

[evolver115]

Wait...this is the last non-playoff BCS Championship? I'm much happier now. Bring on the playoffs!

I thought it was. After doing a bit of research, it appears that the new four team championship bracket won't be implemented until 2014 season.

 

[evolver115]

do not want

Wait.... what?

You don't want a playoff for college football? And you're a VT fan from the ACC?

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

There's going to be just as much bickering about who should be in the playoffs as there was about who should make it into the BCS national title game. My prediction.

 

[evolver115]

There's going to be just as much bickering about who should be in the playoffs as there was about who should make it into the BCS national title game. My prediction.

True.

It is very hard to go undefeated in the college football season. At least with the new playoff format, if there are three or four teams lucky enough to run the table (and hail from a major conference), they will get their shot at a Nat'l Title. With what we have now, that wouldn't be possible.

 

[pixburgher66]

There's going to be just as much bickering about who should be in the playoffs as there was about who should make it into the BCS national title game. My prediction.

I agree, however, it's probably the only way to make a playoff system work for football. I think it'll vary year by year. No way non-con teams get a look. It's a four team playoff, right? This year would've been easy...well, before L'ville crushed the Gators.

 

[dash]

This year would've been easy...well, before L'ville crushed the Gators.

I lost vCash on that game (damn Gators)

 

[awaz]

Wait.... what?

You don't want a playoff for college football? And you're a VT fan from the ACC?

There's going to be just as much bickering about who should be in the playoffs as there was about who should make it into the BCS national title game. My prediction.

mostly this.. this year was close to simple because there was only 5 teams with < 2 losses

but look at two years ago (pretty black and white auburn/oregon national championship with TCU being the only other undefeated, sucks to play in a small conference, but thats what you get for being a small conference)

a 4 game playoff takes the 3 aforementioned undefeated and 1 of,

stanford 11-1
wisconsin 11-1
ohio st 11-1
michigan state 11-1
boise st 11-1
nevada 11-1

how do you decipher that? most recent loss? best loss? (pretty sure wisconsin, osu, and msu all went 1-1 against eachother, so 'best loss' cant be determined).. you can maybe eliminate boise because nevada beat them, and then elimnate boise because of my 'small conference' argument and you still have 4 teams to pick from.. maybe eliminate stanford for not winning the conference.. 3 teams to pick from, even head to head between them

on top of that, why should those 1 loss teams even get a chance, when oregon and auburn won all their games.. they deserve to play for the ship, they've proved it, why should they have to prove it again?

and holy slop-fest if there's a season with less than 4 teams with 1 loss or less.. can you imagine trying to sift through all the 2-loss teams? all a 4 team playoff in my mind is make the line to have an argument, easier to reach, and therefore you'll have more teams that reach the line and bigger arguments

i'm just glad they kept it to 4 teams, in 4-5 years when they expand the playoff to 8 or even 16 teams, the regular season will matter as much as it does in every sport.. it wont.. teams with 3 and sometimes 4 losses will be in the playoffs.. NCAAF sets itself apart because it's the only sport where every game actually matters, and it should stay that way.. it has the best regular season by leaps and bounds, a playoff tarnishes that

 

[awaz]

2007 is a good example

by rank:

OSU 12-1
LSU 11-2
VT 11-2
Okla 11-2
UGA 10-2
Mizzou 11-2
USC 10-2
Kansas 11-1
WVU 10-2
Hawaii 12-0
Arizona St 10-2
BYU 10-2
Boise 10-2

by W-L, you're taking hawaii, kansas, ohio state, and one of 10 2-loss teams. good luck. (and it's not like hawaii and kansas should be taking up two spots in the first place)

granted, a championship game doesn't look easy on paper this season either, but as a VT fan (#3 in the rankings), i remember it being pretty black and white that LSU and OSU were the two best teams, and even making the argument for VT (who must have had the best argument, seeing as how they were #3) was a joke (they lost to kansas in the orange bowl)

 

[pixburgher66]

I think strength of schedule becomes vital in this. Obviously an undefeated team is likely in. I think we're moving toward superconferences soon anyhow, and at that point only teams in those conferences can compete.

 

[evolver115]

You bring up great points, Awaz. There is still a lot to be desired with the format. However, I can't say this coming format is worse than the current. The fact that there will be two more games to determine who plays for the title is better than none, IMO.

Sure, there will be snubs. But at least there will be a playoff atmosphere for the four teams who qualify for the bracket.