OT: 6th grader brings gun to school

[JMedlock5186]

I think like someone said earlier, that semi automatic should be banned. and definitely full auto. I think bolt action and pump shot gun are okay. I dont think guns in themselves are the problem in America. But the people here didnt have the paddle to ass end when they were young and instead of parents parenting, they simply give in to these whiny ass kids who think that because acting out they gets their way when they were younger that it will work in real life. I propose the send these whiny kids to me and i will have them go get a switch from a tree like we had to when we were young.

 

[Rvnight18]

I would matter. All countries with sensible gun control laws don't have anywhere near the problem we do here.

Not true at all. Please know what you are talking about. Germany has very strict laws and has 3 of the worst school shootings ever.

 

[joshuar56]

Taking away guns would stop the violence, huh?

Tell that to:

Tomothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols - Oklahoma City bombers
The 9/11 hijackers - flew into the WTC
Rodney Coronado - firebombed Michigan St
The KKK - hangings, among other atrocities
Eric Rudolph - 1996 Atlanta Olympics bomber
Ramzi Yousef - 1993 WTC bomber


I would be more than happy to continue, but I hope you've already begun to understand my point. The mentally unstable, or religious fanatics, will always find a way to inflict mass damage as long as our nation's media glorifies mass murderers.

Why do you think that within 4 days of the attack on Sandy Hook Elementary (trying to forget the killer's name) that there were 3 shootings & a threat on the Newton church? Could it be that a handful of bad apples in a nation of 300+ million saw how much publicity and infamy came from the actions of 1 fuckhead and decided to see what damage they could do?

We are living in an age where Pat Robertson says Hurricane Katrina happened because God was wiping out gays, and where the Westboro Baptist Church pickets Sandy Hook Elementary to proclaim that God caused the murderous rampage in Newton, CT, because God doesn't like America's increasingly secular lifestyle (re: gays)?

I want to say get your head out of your ass (shit, I just did... no wonder the politics board is awful), but really, instead of scapegoating guns, we as a nation must ask ourselves *WHY* America sees so many more murderous rampages as compared to other countries. I'm no fan of Michael Moore, infact I can't stand him, but in Bowling for Columbine he makes a good point contrasting the gun cultures of America and Canada. Canadians have a LOT of guns, but they do not see even remotely the same number of murders that America does. Not just gun murders, but murders in general. There is no question that part of that is because Canada's media/entertainment industry do not hype violence on the news and in films in the way that America does. So much of our entertainment in the U.S. is about murder that we as a society become desensitized to violence and death.

I have personally been shot at twice (2012 Giants WS parade, 2008 Oakland), had to defend myself by grabbing the blade of a knife to stop a crackhead from stabbing me, and have been jumped by groups for being in the "wrong" neighborhood, or for walking a black woman to her house... we live in a violent society, and crazy people are going to find ways to inflict harm regardless of whether or not guns are legal.

I remember years ago seeing someone I knew walking down the street in North Oakland holding a Chinese AK-47... where did he get it? Off a ship from Asia that docked the port of Oakland. Scapegoating guns is to ignore the larger problems of inequality and (sorry, fellas) racism* that plague our society.

(*note: don't mean racism as a black/white thing, as I've seen racism directed towards anyone who isn't the same nationality, or same subsection of nationality, such as Mandarin vs Cantonese speakers)

I await your response.

A multiple victim shooting happens every 5.9 days in America, how many bombings are there?

 

[TobyTyler]

Not true at all. Please know what you are talking about. Germany has very strict laws and has 3 of the worst school shootings ever.

Bullshit. The number of such occurances is much, much smaller in Germany than in the U.S. But Germany? Really? Talk about a warrior culture!

 

[joshuar56]

Not true at all. Please know what you are talking about. Germany has very strict laws and has 3 of the worst school shootings ever.

That's a stupid comment, so they had 3 shootings, how many shootings per capita does Germany have compared to the US? I'll do the work for you, in the us it's about 9 per 100k, in Germany its 1 per 100k, the homicide rate is 3.7 per 100k in the us, its 0.06 in germ any, that's right, its 61 times higher in the US.

 

[Rvnight18]

Bullshit. The number of such occurances is much, much smaller in Germany than in the U.S. But Germany? Really? Talk about a warrior culture!

Ohh so you are saying its the culture not the guns. Than fix the mentality instead of acting like you care by banning guns. How about we actually fix the PROBLEM. Tired of the bullshit response of banning guns will solve it. Let's actually do something to fix the problem.

 

[joshuar56]

Bullshit. The number of such occurances is much, much smaller in Germany than in the U.S. But Germany? Really? Talk about a warrior culture!

This is probably the only time I will every agree with Toby...

 

[Rvnight18]

That's a stupid comment, so they had 3 shootings, how many shootings per capita does Germany have compared to the US? I'll do the work for you, in the us it's about 9 per 100k, in Germany its 1 per 100k, the homicide rate is 3.7 per 100k in the us, its 0.06 in germ any, that's right, its 61 times higher in the US.

Ok first off, I didn't say they only had three. I said three of the worst. Please read before you attack.

 

[TobyTyler]

Ohh so you are saying its the culture not the guns. Than fix the mentality instead of acting like you care by banning guns. How about we actually fix the PROBLEM. Tired of the bullshit response of banning guns will solve it. Let's actually do something to fix the problem.

Its not the ideal solution but since you can't deal logically with nuts, its the only viable one. Hand guns and automatic weapons need to go; and yes, it is partly because of the gun culture in this nation that the NRA fosters. But the bottom line is, if you don't have guns, you can't use 'em.

 

[DoobieKeebler]

A multiple victim shooting happens every 5.9 days in America, how many bombings are there?

So because there are more single victim shootings in America than instances of other types of murder, guns are worse?

Tell that to the nearly 3,000 people who died on 9/11, or the 168 who died in the OKC bombing.

 

[TobyTyler]

Ok first off, I didn't say they only had three. I said three of the worst. Please read before you attack.

That doesn't change the fat that his statistics completely debunked your argument. Perhaps the problem is not your stance on guns but it is your inability to think rationally...........at least on this issue.

 

[joshuar56]

Ok first off, I didn't say they only had three. I said three of the worst. Please read before you attack.

Stats don't lie... You tried to make it sound like Germany's gun control doesn't work. I think Germans disagree. Also, just to add a few more FACTs, the UK's firearm homicide rate is .04 (us is 92 times higher) and Australia's is .09 (US is 41 times higher). Again though, I don't support full gun control, just semi auto clip fed.

 

[Rvnight18]

That doesn't change the fat that his statistics completely debunked your argument. Perhaps the problem is not your stance on guns but it is your inability to think rationally...........at least on this issue.

It doesn't debunk shit. You said gun laws will stop it. Well germany hasn't stopped it with theirs. Criminals don't follow laws. Your argument is so flawed it is rediculius. Go to any city and you can buy illegal weapons. Guns already illegal to have, and you can get them. Why? Because they are criminals. Your new laws won't stop shit.

 

[joshuar56]

So because there are more single victim shootings in America than instances of other types of murder, guns are worse?

Tell that to the nearly 3,000 people who died on 9/11, or the 168 who died in the OKC bombing.

I'm sure if you ask most people, they are more worried about being shot walking down the street, than someone flying a plane into their building. No one said gun control will completely stop murder, your argument is silly.

 

[DoobieKeebler]

Stats don't lie... You tried to make it sound like Germany's gun control doesn't work. I think Germans disagree. Also, just to add a few more FACTs, the UK's firearm homicide rate is .04 (us is 92 times higher) and Australia's is .09 (US is 41 times higher). Again though, I don't support full gun control, just semi auto clip fed.

You do know the UK has a crazy high number of stabbings, right? 30 percent of their homicides are from stabbings using knives, swords, screwdrivers, etc.

 

[TobyTyler]

It doesn't debunk shit. You said gun laws will stop it. Well germany hasn't stopped it with theirs. Criminals don't follow laws. Your argument is so flawed it is rediculius. Go to any city and you can buy illegal weapons. Guns already illegal to have, and you can get them. Why? Because they are criminals. Your new laws won't stop shit.

Sure didn't. I said we need stricter gun control laws and in my opinion that will lessen the chances of it happening just like it does in any country with strictly enforced gun control laws. The fact that you think this idea is ridiculously flawed further speaks to my theory that you cannot think rationally on this topic.

 

[DoobieKeebler]

I'm sure if you ask most people, they are more worried about being shot walking down the street, than someone flying a plane into their building. No one said gun control will completely stop murder, your argument is silly.

Your argument that stopping a widespread culture of violence starts with taking guns away is silly. People will murder no matter what as long as they become famous for it.

Why do famous murderers get a bunch of marriage proposals in jail? We treat or criminals as celebrities. Remember OJ?

 

[Rvnight18]

Stats don't lie... You tried to make it sound like Germany's gun control doesn't work. I think Germans disagree. Also, just to add a few more FACTs, the UK's firearm homicide rate is .04 (us is 92 times higher) and Australia's is .09 (US is 41 times higher). Again though, I don't support full gun control, just semi auto clip fed.

And what's Switzerlands? Every male is given a gun when they turn 18. I believe they have the lowest crime rate if not one of the lowest. Don't cherry pick what you want. Trust me if you were in a mall and god forbid a shchi came in shooting people, and the guy next to you is a law abiding citizen that pulls out his concealed carry weapon and drops the guy saving your life. I bet you would be thankful he had it.

 

[Geraint]

This will be my old man moment but it's sort of from the movie Friday. The problem today is folks grow up as pussies. They are not mentally tough enough and when they reach a critical point they turn to guns. I am not talking about the ones that are actually mentally ill, just the general public.

I really think a bit of it has to do with our culture's need to coddle and prop people up, even as children. Kids should learn that in life not everyone wins. Not everyone gets to be a star. Everyone has the chance but it's a combination of hard work, talent, and luck that determines your station in life. Instead of realizing and accepting this, we try to tell kids "Oh, it's ok as long as you try. Everyone is a winner. Don't worry, if you want something you deserve it; even if you didn't earn it. everything is someone else's fault." That bullshit is why our country is spiralling downwards...that and reality TV. So now, when someone feels like they've been disrespected, or didn't get what they "deserve", or weren't hugged enough; they like to find bullets.

Suck it up, deal with it and move on. (not directed at TT, just a general message.)
/rant over...for now.

There we have the answer to the gun issue. America needs to suck it up and get some mental toughness.

 

[DoobieKeebler]

Sure didn't. I said we need stricter gun control laws and in my opinion that will lessen the chances of it happening just like it does in any country with strictly enforced gun control laws. The fact that you think this idea is ridiculously flawed further speaks to my theory that you cannot think rationally on this topic.

Toby, the mother of the Sandy Hook murderer had pistols, which he brought with him during his massacre. If the government took away semi-autos, he'd still have the pistols.

You're thinking emotionally instead of rationally.