Ok... it’s time to get serious about TWO certitudes regarding 49ers QBs

[Schmoopy1000]

Yet the 49ers paid him $37 million last year.

actually that was smart.
Got rid of a huge chuck of that contract early, so they arent held hostage by the contract if things dont work out. Now offering him that contract is another issue. But front loading it when you had tons of cap space is smart. (not kicking the can down the road) They can cut him as early as next year if they want without hurting the team. of course I will laugh my ass off if it comes to that.

 

[NinerSickness]

actually that was smart.
Got rid of a huge chuck of that contract early, so they arent held hostage by the contract if things dont work out. Now offering him that contract is another issue. But front loading it when you had tons of cap space is smart. (not kicking the can down the road) They can cut him as early as next year if they want without hurting the team. of course I will laugh my ass off if it comes to that.

Someone gets it.

Screw the cap in re-building years; save the money for FAs when (if) their SB window opens.

BTW:

You realize that Dak is probably going to get far more than that, right? Every QB contract seems insane when it's signed until Sam Bradford comes along & gets 20 million or Flacco gets the biggest contract in history. Then those look insane, and the other ones look reasonable or even like steals.

I rest my case:

 

[HaroldSeattle]

actually that was smart.
Got rid of a huge chuck of that contract early, so they arent held hostage by the contract if things dont work out. Now offering him that contract is another issue. But front loading it when you had tons of cap space is smart. (not kicking the can down the road) They can cut him as early as next year if they want without hurting the team. of course I will laugh my ass off if it comes to that.

In theory it makes sense, because like you said they can cut him without the huge cap hit if he busts ( Yes I too would be laughing my ass off if they do cut him). However in practice think you'll find them to be stubborn to cut a guy they vested to much in. Last year was a disaster for Jimmy, not only did he get hurt early, but he didn't even play well in the short time he did play. Yet it's easy to see they are going sink or swim with him. Then on the flip side, if Jimmy had played lights out, it would be predictable to see a hold out happening. So I'm not so sure it really was such a great move myself.

 

[Jikkle]

In theory it makes sense, because like you said they can cut him without the huge cap hit if he busts ( Yes I too would be laughing my ass off if they do cut him). However in practice think you'll find them to be stubborn to cut a guy they vested to much in. Last year was a disaster for Jimmy, not only did he get hurt early, but he didn't even play well in the short time he did play. Yet it's easy to see they are going sink or swim with him. Then on the flip side, if Jimmy had played lights out, it would be predictable to see a hold out happening. So I'm not so sure it really was such a great move myself.

I'd say it's a great move even if he does wind up being a bust because it was worth the roll of the dice.

He played great to end 2017 and if you franchise him and he plays great in 2018 he's going to command way more money and have way more leverage.

With the contract he signed you had more cap space than you were ever going to need so might as well use it on his contract and you had the leverage to frame the contract in a way that you could cut him if it came down to it.

So I'd say it was a calculated gamble worth taking because if you hit on your gamble and he balls out you have him at a reasonable rate and you have the cap space open for when you really need it. If he sucks then you're not tied down to him and if you need to move on you can move on and not have the contract be an albatross.

In 2018 it was a big blow that he got hurt because he really needed those reps. Against the Vikings he was forcing throws, against the Lions he overcompensated by holding on to the ball too long (didn't help that none of his receivers could be press), but against KC I thought he was finally starting to get on track and starting to look like 2017 Jimmy G. If he played the whole year I think he would've ended up with a pretty good season under his belt and would've been looking to break out in 2019.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'd say it's a great move even if he does wind up being a bust because it was worth the roll of the dice.

Guess I consider that a matter of opinion. Seems like over valuing all things ex Patriots is a on going trend in the NFL. Be it coaches or players, suckers are lining up to over pay for anyone associated with the Patriots. I'm sure BB laughs his ass off about this in private. The 49ers had the second pick in a draft that included Mahomes, Watson and Trubisky, all available with the 1.2. Even after trading down to the 1.3 Mahomes and Watson were still available and the 49ers could have even moved down a bit more in the draft and drafted either of these QBs. Now that would have been worth the roll of the dice!

With the contract he signed you had more cap space than you were ever going to need so might as well use it on his contract and you had the leverage to frame the contract in a way that you could cut him if it came down to it.

Really? I don't think that can be considered accurate. QBs are vastly over paid, which makes it a poor idea to trade for some unproven back up that has a expiring contract, yet has a strong market anyway. Better to use that money to improve other positions and draft that inexpensive rookie QB. That way if the QB is a bust you haven't lost a huge sum of money and he'll cost nothing to dump and in the mean time the roster will have improved through the additions made with the cap space available. No such thing as too much cap space!

If he sucks then you're not tied down to him and if you need to move on you can move on and not have the contract be an albatross.

Lynch and Shanahan futures are tied to Jimmy success or failure. This is year three for them and some progress with wins will/should be expected this season. No time to reboot and start over with a rookie at this point. If Jimmy sinks so does everyone associated with signing him IMO.

In 2018 it was a big blow that he got hurt because he really needed those reps. Against the Vikings he was forcing throws, against the Lions he overcompensated by holding on to the ball too long (didn't help that none of his receivers could be press), but against KC I thought he was finally starting to get on track and starting to look like 2017 Jimmy G.

Those three games your describing, sounds a lot like some rookie trying to learn the ropes and not looking impressive. His best game was 251 yards and a couple of TDs and the silver lining was at least he wasn't doing boneheaded things like throwing into coverage or holding onto the ball to long like the games before that one. I don't see the "great potential " some 49ers fans see with his performance last season and yes I've seen the film.

I honestly feel Jimmy well be a serviceable QB in time, but I don't see him becoming great....I don't think he even sniffs greatness in his future. Just my

 

[SteelersPride]

I'd say it's a great move even if he does wind up being a bust because it was worth the roll of the dice.

He played great to end 2017 and if you franchise him and he plays great in 2018 he's going to command way more money and have way more leverage.

With the contract he signed you had more cap space than you were ever going to need so might as well use it on his contract and you had the leverage to frame the contract in a way that you could cut him if it came down to it.

So I'd say it was a calculated gamble worth taking because if you hit on your gamble and he balls out you have him at a reasonable rate and you have the cap space open for when you really need it. If he sucks then you're not tied down to him and if you need to move on you can move on and not have the contract be an albatross.

In 2018 it was a big blow that he got hurt because he really needed those reps. Against the Vikings he was forcing throws, against the Lions he overcompensated by holding on to the ball too long (didn't help that none of his receivers could be press), but against KC I thought he was finally starting to get on track and starting to look like 2017 Jimmy G. If he played the whole year I think he would've ended up with a pretty good season under his belt and would've been looking to break out in 2019.

he played well, numbers werent great

 

[Pattersonca65]

Guess I consider that a matter of opinion. Seems like over valuing all things ex Patriots is a on going trend in the NFL. Be it coaches or players, suckers are lining up to over pay for anyone associated with the Patriots. I'm sure BB laughs his ass off about this in private. The 49ers had the second pick in a draft that included Mahomes, Watson and Trubisky, all available with the 1.2. Even after trading down to the 1.3 Mahomes and Watson were still available and the 49ers could have even moved down a bit more in the draft and drafted either of these QBs. Now that would have been worth the roll of the dice!



Really? I don't think that can be considered accurate. QBs are vastly over paid, which makes it a poor idea to trade for some unproven back up that has a expiring contract, yet has a strong market anyway. Better to use that money to improve other positions and draft that inexpensive rookie QB. That way if the QB is a bust you haven't lost a huge sum of money and he'll cost nothing to dump and in the mean time the roster will have improved through the additions made with the cap space available. No such thing as too much cap space!




Lynch and Shanahan futures are tied to Jimmy success or failure. This is year three for them and some progress with wins will/should be expected this season. No time to reboot and start over with a rookie at this point. If Jimmy sinks so does everyone associated with signing him IMO.



Those three games your describing, sounds a lot like some rookie trying to learn the ropes and not looking impressive. His best game was 251 yards and a couple of TDs and the silver lining was at least he wasn't doing boneheaded things like throwing into coverage or holding onto the ball to long like the games before that one. I don't see the "great potential " some 49ers fans see with his performance last season and yes I've seen the film.

I honestly feel Jimmy well be a serviceable QB in time, but I don't see him becoming great....I don't think he even sniffs greatness in his future. Just my

It isn't just 49er fans. PFF film analysis came to the same conclusion

 

[HaroldSeattle]

It isn't just 49er fans. PFF film analysis came to the same conclusion

You talking about 2017? Because in 2018 this is all I can find:

Jimmy Garoppolo | San Francisco 49ers QB | NFL and PFF stats | Pro Football Focus



As you can see his grade is average.

 

[SteelersPride]

PFF d

You talking about 2017? Because in 2018 this is all I can find:

Jimmy Garoppolo | San Francisco 49ers QB | NFL and PFF stats | Pro Football Focus

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As you can see his grade is average.

yes their 2017 analysis was praising

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yeah lots of up beat stuff over his 5 games in 2017,....2018 not so much.

 

[NinerSickness]

You talking about 2017? Because in 2018 this is all I can find:

Jimmy Garoppolo | San Francisco 49ers QB | NFL and PFF stats | Pro Football Focus

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As you can see his grade is average.

Average play on a dog-s**t team like the 2017 49ers is still pretty good.

Qb play isn't black & white. QB analysis where people disagree tends to end up with "He's the worst QB ever" or "He's one of the best in the league," and there's no middle ground.

I'm pretty realistic about my expectations for Jimmy. He's a pretty good QB; he's not great.

 

[Pattersonca65]

It is on youtube

You talking about 2017? Because in 2018 this is all I can find:

Jimmy Garoppolo | San Francisco 49ers QB | NFL and PFF stats | Pro Football Focus

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As you can see his grade is average.

 

[SteelersPride]

time to see what happens

 

[NinerSickness]

time to see what happens

Are you high?

 

[richig07]

Jimmy G hasn't played enough football for a sound opinion to even be formed on him. He had a couple very nice games in 2016, a really impressive run towards the end of 2017 and a couple of games in 2018 where he looked "meh". That body of work could lead to a number of different places. Let's just see.

 

[SteelersPride]

Are you high?

no, time to see what happens with jimmy G, see if he plays more than 10 games

 

[SteelersPride]

Jimmy G hasn't played enough football for a sound opinion to even be formed on him. He had a couple very nice games in 2016, a really impressive run towards the end of 2017 and a couple of games in 2018 where he looked "meh". That body of work could lead to a number of different places. Let's just see.

@richig07 you must be high too, since your're stating "lets see" as well

 

[Roy Munson]

RB vs QB isn't a fair comparison...

 

[Manster7588]

RB vs QB isn't a fair comparison...

You're just jealous Dak can run.

 

[Wamu]

Brady > Montana


Dak > Jimmy G


FACT!

Nice troll thread (yet again).

Only a fact to overly homeristic Pats fans. If I had one game to win I want the QB that was just about perfect in the S.B. & had no turnovers.

And if rings are the only way to judge a QB then Dilfer > Marino.