Officially Unofficial Tank Mode???

[MrS]

You say tank to get the top draft pick so we can get Manning. What if we tank and get the number three overall pick and we lose all that revenue in the meantime. And we don’t get the number one pick to select Manning? Then it was all for nothing. And then say we got Manning and he’s a bust. And then we continue down that road of stinking up the joint and continue to lose fan base and revenue.

Your method is a horrible business model in my opinion

Come on dude the NFL doesn't lose money.

Besides that its not a business to me, its a spectator sport don't care how Much money anyone makes. If you can win a superbowl after 12 years you should lose your job and the franchise should start over

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I have NEVER understood the BLOW IT UP and "We need to get the #1 overall pick so we can draft a QB!" mentality. Never understood it.

highest likelihood you get a franchise QB

One of the biggest myths in all of pro sports right there. Let's have a recap. I'll go back to Peyton Manning in 1998.
2024- Caleb Williams, TBD but it's the Bears and they could very easily fuck it up and Caleb is behind other QBs in his class
2023 Bryce Young, showed some signs of improving in his second year but a long way to go. Too early to call it but could be a bust when all is said and done
2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.
2020- Joe Burrow, legit star but notoriously slow starter and a little injury prone and the Bengals aren't winning a SB, imo
2019- Kyler Murray, franchise QB maybe but nothing all that special
2018- Baker Mayfield, on his 4th team, maybe has found a home
2016- Jared Goff, traded away and basically Geno Smith with a better team around him.
2015- Jameis Winston, career back-up and bust
2012- Andrew Luck, great promise, had it all and like I said before didn't last because he got beat to shit
2011- Cam Newton, great rookie year, one great season as MVP, a physical freak but nothing much else and was a back up in less then a decade.
2010- Sam Bradford, pretty much a bust
2009- Matt Stafford, legit but took him moving to LA to really get there
2007- Jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in all of pro sports history
2005- Alex Smith, career journeyman, nothing more
2004- Eli Manning, if not for a couple of outlier great SB runs, an average QB at best
2003- Carson Palmer, more or less another journeyman
2002- David Carr, not entirely all his fault but a bust
2001- Michael Vick, kind of a sideshow talent tbh. Had some moments but never a great QB. Less than Cam Newton.
1999- Tim Couch, I don't think this needs any explaining
1998- Peyton Manning- Only real all time great on the list.
So actual "Franchise QBs" on that list, maybe 3-4 out of 20, Peyton, Burrow, Stafford, maybe Eli but meh, Kyler has the label but he ain't really all that. At least 5 busts and likely 2-3 more. So no, tanking isn't worth it as the odds aren't great.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

One of the biggest myths in all of pro sports right there. Let's have a recap. I'll go back to Peyton Manning in 1998.
2024- Caleb Williams, TBD but it's the Bears and they could very easily fuck it up and Caleb is behind other QBs in his class
2023 Bryce Young, showed some signs of improving in his second year but a long way to go. Too early to call it but could be a bust when all is said and done
2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.
2020- Joe Burrow, legit star but notoriously slow starter and a little injury prone and the Bengals aren't winning a SB, imo
2019- Kyler Murray, franchise QB maybe but nothing all that special
2018- Baker Mayfield, on his 4th team, maybe has found a home
2016- Jared Goff, traded away and basically Geno Smith with a better team around him.
2015- Jameis Winston, career back-up and bust
2012- Andrew Luck, great promise, had it all and like I said before didn't last because he got beat to shit
2011- Cam Newton, great rookie year, one great season as MVP, a physical freak but nothing much else and was a back up in less then a decade.
2010- Sam Bradford, pretty much a bust
2009- Matt Stafford, legit but took him moving to LA to really get there
2007- Jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in all of pro sports history
2005- Alex Smith, career journeyman, nothing more
2004- Eli Manning, if not for a couple of outlier great SB runs, an average QB at best
2003- Carson Palmer, more or less another journeyman
2002- David Carr, not entirely all his fault but a bust
2001- Michael Vick, kind of a sideshow talent tbh. Had some moments but never a great QB. Less than Cam Newton.
1999- Tim Couch, I don't think this needs any explaining
1998- Peyton Manning- Only real all time great on the list.
So actual "Franchise QBs" on that list, maybe 3-4 out of 20, Peyton, Burrow, Stafford, maybe Eli but meh, Kyler has the label but he ain't really all that. At least 5 busts and likely 2-3 more. So no, tanking isn't worth it as the odds aren't great.

There's some on the list I do agree with like Jamarcus Russell but others is not the QB's fault.

Trevor Lawrence has had to deal with incompetent FO with bad decision making. No WRs for the most part, no o-line to protect and a defense that got dismantled cause owner didn't want to pay big bucks. I'd like to see what he could do on a team with a better FO.

Goff got better with a coach who understood how to properly use his skill set. Mcvey couldn't figure that part out so went and got Stafford who also was stuck with dealing with a crappy FO most of his career. Det started over in the FO and Goff has done very well and Stafford got a ring.

Carson Palmer could have been one of the greats but got his knee shredded against the Steelers in the playoffs. Couldn't find his true play again and that's not his fault.

Luck is another could have been all time great

Along with Burrow, Eli and Peyton these guys I'd take first overall if it means a bad previous season.

 

[MrS]

One of the biggest myths in all of pro sports right there. Let's have a recap. I'll go back to Peyton Manning in 1998.
2024- Caleb Williams, TBD but it's the Bears and they could very easily fuck it up and Caleb is behind other QBs in his class
2023 Bryce Young, showed some signs of improving in his second year but a long way to go. Too early to call it but could be a bust when all is said and done
2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.
2020- Joe Burrow, legit star but notoriously slow starter and a little injury prone and the Bengals aren't winning a SB, imo
2019- Kyler Murray, franchise QB maybe but nothing all that special
2018- Baker Mayfield, on his 4th team, maybe has found a home
2016- Jared Goff, traded away and basically Geno Smith with a better team around him.
2015- Jameis Winston, career back-up and bust
2012- Andrew Luck, great promise, had it all and like I said before didn't last because he got beat to shit
2011- Cam Newton, great rookie year, one great season as MVP, a physical freak but nothing much else and was a back up in less then a decade.
2010- Sam Bradford, pretty much a bust
2009- Matt Stafford, legit but took him moving to LA to really get there
2007- Jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in all of pro sports history
2005- Alex Smith, career journeyman, nothing more
2004- Eli Manning, if not for a couple of outlier great SB runs, an average QB at best
2003- Carson Palmer, more or less another journeyman
2002- David Carr, not entirely all his fault but a bust
2001- Michael Vick, kind of a sideshow talent tbh. Had some moments but never a great QB. Less than Cam Newton.
1999- Tim Couch, I don't think this needs any explaining
1998- Peyton Manning- Only real all time great on the list.
So actual "Franchise QBs" on that list, maybe 3-4 out of 20, Peyton, Burrow, Stafford, maybe Eli but meh, Kyler has the label but he ain't really all that. At least 5 busts and likely 2-3 more. So no, tanking isn't worth it as the odds aren't great.

About 25 Minutes in Mel kipper explains it

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

One of the biggest myths in all of pro sports right there. Let's have a recap. I'll go back to Peyton Manning in 1998.
2024- Caleb Williams, TBD but it's the Bears and they could very easily fuck it up and Caleb is behind other QBs in his class
2023 Bryce Young, showed some signs of improving in his second year but a long way to go. Too early to call it but could be a bust when all is said and done
2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.
2020- Joe Burrow, legit star but notoriously slow starter and a little injury prone and the Bengals aren't winning a SB, imo
2019- Kyler Murray, franchise QB maybe but nothing all that special
2018- Baker Mayfield, on his 4th team, maybe has found a home
2016- Jared Goff, traded away and basically Geno Smith with a better team around him.
2015- Jameis Winston, career back-up and bust
2012- Andrew Luck, great promise, had it all and like I said before didn't last because he got beat to shit
2011- Cam Newton, great rookie year, one great season as MVP, a physical freak but nothing much else and was a back up in less then a decade.
2010- Sam Bradford, pretty much a bust
2009- Matt Stafford, legit but took him moving to LA to really get there
2007- Jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in all of pro sports history
2005- Alex Smith, career journeyman, nothing more
2004- Eli Manning, if not for a couple of outlier great SB runs, an average QB at best
2003- Carson Palmer, more or less another journeyman
2002- David Carr, not entirely all his fault but a bust
2001- Michael Vick, kind of a sideshow talent tbh. Had some moments but never a great QB. Less than Cam Newton.
1999- Tim Couch, I don't think this needs any explaining
1998- Peyton Manning- Only real all time great on the list.
So actual "Franchise QBs" on that list, maybe 3-4 out of 20, Peyton, Burrow, Stafford, maybe Eli but meh, Kyler has the label but he ain't really all that. At least 5 busts and likely 2-3 more. So no, tanking isn't worth it as the odds aren't great.

Appreciate the research.

Outside of that list, 2 QBs won the SBOWL with their team? Stafford had to be traded for it to happen.. Manning did Manning things.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

One of the biggest myths in all of pro sports right there. Let's have a recap. I'll go back to Peyton Manning in 1998.
2024- Caleb Williams, TBD but it's the Bears and they could very easily fuck it up and Caleb is behind other QBs in his class
2023 Bryce Young, showed some signs of improving in his second year but a long way to go. Too early to call it but could be a bust when all is said and done
2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.
2020- Joe Burrow, legit star but notoriously slow starter and a little injury prone and the Bengals aren't winning a SB, imo
2019- Kyler Murray, franchise QB maybe but nothing all that special
2018- Baker Mayfield, on his 4th team, maybe has found a home
2016- Jared Goff, traded away and basically Geno Smith with a better team around him.
2015- Jameis Winston, career back-up and bust
2012- Andrew Luck, great promise, had it all and like I said before didn't last because he got beat to shit
2011- Cam Newton, great rookie year, one great season as MVP, a physical freak but nothing much else and was a back up in less then a decade.
2010- Sam Bradford, pretty much a bust
2009- Matt Stafford, legit but took him moving to LA to really get there
2007- Jamarcus Russell, one of the biggest busts in all of pro sports history
2005- Alex Smith, career journeyman, nothing more
2004- Eli Manning, if not for a couple of outlier great SB runs, an average QB at best
2003- Carson Palmer, more or less another journeyman
2002- David Carr, not entirely all his fault but a bust
2001- Michael Vick, kind of a sideshow talent tbh. Had some moments but never a great QB. Less than Cam Newton.
1999- Tim Couch, I don't think this needs any explaining
1998- Peyton Manning- Only real all time great on the list.
So actual "Franchise QBs" on that list, maybe 3-4 out of 20, Peyton, Burrow, Stafford, maybe Eli but meh, Kyler has the label but he ain't really all that. At least 5 busts and likely 2-3 more. So no, tanking isn't worth it as the odds aren't great.

Majority of them had long NFL careers, those that didn't was more about injuries then lack of talent.

 

[Screamin12th]

2021- Trevor Lawrence, "can't miss" who has been meh, okay at times. On the way to bust status if things don't change soon.

Put Trevor Lawrence on a different team and he is a good QB. Watch the guy play, he can carry a team but there is no team to carry there. The Jags are showing how you destroy a good QB. I would 100% take Lawrence on our team. Matter of fact after his BAD rookie season i said TRADE FOR HIM! He would have came cheap and you could see it was the JAGS that were the issue not the QB. I would have 100% offered the Jags two 3rd round picks for Lawrence after his rookie season just to see if they would have bit. He has been Better than Mayfield was in Cleveland and we saw how Mayfield turned out after going to a better ran and more competent team. Jags are the worst ran team in the NFL with Cleveland pulling up in 2nd place with the Jets.

 

[blstoker]

About 25 Minutes in Mel kipper explains it

QBs in the second round have significantly improved in the criteria as explained by Mel Kiper in the video. I chose 2nd round as that's what Mel starts talking about at 25 minutes. While true that only 29% of 2nd round QBs took a team to the playoffs since 1970, since the 1998 model originally chosen that number has climbed to 38%. Since 2011, that number is up to 58%, and of that number 1 never played and 1 switched to receiver.

While not advocating for taking a QB at any particular time, it's not as big a crap shoot after the first round as it used to be. Seattle hasn't even had a first round qb start at least 8 games in a season since Rick Mirer in 1995. In the 28 seasons since then, they have 20 with 8 wins or more, 16 playoff appearances, 3 super bowl appearances and 1 world championship. As a side note - the three years with Mirer are the only 3 seasons the Seahawks have had a starting QB who was drafted in the first round.

We'll see what happens, but I've learned not to get too worked up on what position is drafted at what location. Putting the right player in the right situation is more important than getting the most highly thought of player in a bad situation.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Thank fuckin' God DK is gone. GET THE F OUT. So tired of that guy mailing it in. We have a better WR in JSN anyway. Good riddance. A+ grade Seattle. The rumor is the Steelers are going to sign him to a 5 year $150M contract... LMFAO... GTFO.

 

[MrS]

QBs in the second round have significantly improved in the criteria as explained by Mel Kiper in the video. I chose 2nd round as that's what Mel starts talking about at 25 minutes. While true that only 29% of 2nd round QBs took a team to the playoffs since 1970, since the 1998 model originally chosen that number has climbed to 38%. Since 2011, that number is up to 58%, and of that number 1 never played and 1 switched to receiver.

While not advocating for taking a QB at any particular time, it's not as big a crap shoot after the first round as it used to be. Seattle hasn't even had a first round qb start at least 8 games in a season since Rick Mirer in 1995. In the 28 seasons since then, they have 20 with 8 wins or more, 16 playoff appearances, 3 super bowl appearances and 1 world championship. As a side note - the three years with Mirer are the only 3 seasons the Seahawks have had a starting QB who was drafted in the first round.

We'll see what happens, but I've learned not to get too worked up on what position is drafted at what location. Putting the right player in the right situation is more important than getting the most highly thought of player in a bad situation.

Top 5 picks have a Much higher likelihood of making the playoffs. Round 2 has an advantage over later rounds. here's a list of 2nd round QBs from 2000 to 2019, its not pretty.

Second round quarterbacks this century that became long-term NFL starters

Let’s turn to modern NFL history to figure out external factors that might lead to Drew Lock becoming the Denver Broncos quarterback of the future.

www.milehighreport.com

So you Might snag a QB that lucks you into a playoff season, but a quality starter is hard to find. Much better at the top of round 1, its not really even a debate

 

[Ojb81]

Thank fuckin' God DK is gone. GET THE F OUT. So tired of that guy mailing it in. We have a better WR in JSN anyway. Good riddance. A+ grade Seattle. The rumor is the Steelers are going to sign him to a 5 year $150M contract... LMFAO... GTFO.

GIT MAH WR1's NAME,

OUTCH'YO MAWWWFUGGIN' MOUF!!!