NFL Scouting Combine notes

[NinerSickness]

That would be as big a waste as putting Dorsey as a 3-4 end in KC. I don't know why teams keep wanting to do this. Also you'd more than likely have to trade into the top 5 to get him. I don't think you are gonna do that.

I don't know about top 5, but I've been saying for a while that GMs are going to be smarter than mock draft makers and take Richardson in the top 10 (12 at the latest).

And no, I wouldn't want to trade up to the top 10 to get him. The only 2 guys on whom I have my eye to trade up into the teens (or 20's) are Hankins or Jarvis Jones. And every time I think about it, the more I want to jump off the Hankins bandwagon (which would be dangerous because I'm driving it) and start a trade-up-for-Jarvis-Jones campaign (if he's still there around 14 or so).

I wouldn't mind a small trade up for Eifert though. I'd say Cooper too, but he's gonna be gone in the top 10 or so IMO.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Jones isn't falling out of the top 10 either.

There have been reports the Chiefs might take Richardson #1.

 

[NinerSickness]

Sweet merciful crap!

Cornelius Washington: 6'4 265 4.5 flat w/ a 1.6 split, 36 rep's, 39 freeking vertical and 128 inch broad? I knew the guy was an acclaimed athlete, but wow.

There goes my hopes of landing him in the 4th round. Maybe the 3rd?

Ironically, he's working out with the LBs and I like him as a 3-4 DE to rotate in. He's really stout against the run.

 

[deep9er]

I don't know about top 5, but I've been saying for a while that GMs are going to be smarter than mock draft makers and take Richardson in the top 10 (12 at the latest).

And no, I wouldn't want to trade up to the top 10 to get him. The only 2 guys on whom I have my eye to trade up into the teens (or 20's) are Hankins or Jarvis Jones. And every time I think about it, the more I want to jump off the Hankins bandwagon (which would be dangerous because I'm driving it) and start a trade-up-for-Jarvis-Jones campaign (if he's still there around 14 or so).

I wouldn't mind a small trade up for Eifert though. I'd say Cooper too, but he's gonna be gone in the top 10 or so IMO.

prefer we don't give what it takes to reach "#14 or so"? especially since there is not franchise QB, nor pass rusher.

early twenties is possible, but #14 cost substantially more.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

Sweet merciful crap!

Cornelius Washington: 6'4 265 4.5 flat w/ a 1.6 split, 36 rep's, 39 freeking vertical and 128 inch broad? I knew the guy was an acclaimed athlete, but wow.

There goes my hopes of landing him in the 4th round. Maybe the 3rd?

Ironically, he's working out with the LBs and I like him as a 3-4 DE to rotate in. He's really stout against the run.

Washington would be ideal to give Brooks and Aldon a blow as a DE when we go 4 up front.

 

[Smalls]

I try not to put too much stock into how a guy looks during the combine, but man, Johnathan Hankins looked sloooppppyyyy. Even by 320 pound man standards. He seemed to be huffing and puffing during the couple drills I saw, too.

 

[ChrisPozz]

I've heard alot about Hankins' conditioning in the past but he got in better shape this year, reportedly stuck to a diet, and the biggest thing is that he showed up BIG TIME in 4th quarters this season. In my notes I repeatedly noted that it appeared that he gets better in the 4th quarter. This year I didn't see him wear out in games.

His body is still somewhat sloppy but I don't see it as a huge issue? If I felt like his diet is under control and if his coaches and those around him would vouch for him that he's matured, then I'd feel pretty good about him.

Knowing what I know now and seeing what I've seen thus far, he's one of a few guys I'd try very hard to trade up for if I could. In fact, right now I WANT them to trade up for one or two of the following more than anything else:

Lacy (If GB or ATL get him it'll break my heart)
Hopkins
Warmack
Hankins

 

[Smalls]

I've heard alot about Hankins' conditioning in the past but he got in better shape this year, reportedly stuck to a diet, and the biggest thing is that he showed up BIG TIME in 4th quarters this season. In my notes I repeatedly noted that it appeared that he gets better in the 4th quarter. This year I didn't see him wear out in games.

That's good, then. It doesn't matter how he looks if he's technically in good football shape. Like I said, I try not to pay it too much attention, but found it hard to ignore. I admittedly only saw two OSU games this year, but I don't remember my thoughts about his play.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Richardson won't be playing 3-4 end. I will almost guarantee that.

If the 49ers draft him, he'll be playing 3-4 end. Are you guaranteeing the 49ers won't draft him?

 

[clyde_carbon]

I've heard alot about Hankins' conditioning in the past but he got in better shape this year, reportedly stuck to a diet, and the biggest thing is that he showed up BIG TIME in 4th quarters this season. In my notes I repeatedly noted that it appeared that he gets better in the 4th quarter. This year I didn't see him wear out in games.

His body is still somewhat sloppy but I don't see it as a huge issue? If I felt like his diet is under control and if his coaches and those around him would vouch for him that he's matured, then I'd feel pretty good about him.

Knowing what I know now and seeing what I've seen thus far, he's one of a few guys I'd try very hard to trade up for if I could. In fact, right now I WANT them to trade up for one or two of the following more than anything else:

Lacy (If GB or ATL get him it'll break my heart)
Hopkins
Warmack
Hankins

I'll give you Hopkins and Warmack, and raise you Richardson and Austin.

We're too deep at RB to trade up for one, especially in a draft deep at the position, and I'm not big enough on Hankins to even think about a trade up for him.

 

[ChrisPozz]

I'm still waiting for both shuttles and the 3-cone drill numbers to be finalized but the rest of the DL numbers can be posted now:

NFL Network Official DL 40 Times

Trevardo Williams - 4.57 - (T-6th best since 2006)
Barkevious Mingo - 4.58 - (8th best since 2006)
Margus Hunt - 4.60 - (T-9th best since 2006)
Dion Jordan - 4.60 - (T-9th best since 2006)
Corey Lemonier - 4.60 - (T-9th best since 2006)
Ezekial "Ziggy" Ansah - 4.63 (15th best since 2006)
Ty Powell - 4.64
Devin Taylor - 4.72
Michael Buchanan - 4.78
Lavar Edwards - 4.80
Datone Jones - 4.80
Sam Montgomery - 4.81
Joe Kruger - 4.83
Bjoern Werner - 4.83
David Bass - 4.84
Armonty Bryant - 4.86
Malliciah Goodman - 4.87
Nate Williams - 4.88
Sharri Floyd - 4.92
Tourek Williams - 4.92
Nick Williams - 4.94
Damontre Moore - 4.95
William Gholston - 4.96
Sheldon Richardson - 5.02
Sylvester Williams - 5.03
Everett Dawkins - 5.06
Jared Smith - 5.08
Josh Boyd - 5.14
Akeem Spence - 5.15
Jordan Hill - 5.23
Montori Hughes - 5.23
T.J. Barnes - 5.30
Cory Grissom - 5.31
Johnathan Hankins - 5.31
Chris Jones - 5.33
Brandon Williams - 5.37
Kwame Geathers - 5.44

Cornelius Carradine - DNR
Quinton Dial - DNR
Brandon Jenkins - DNR
John Jenkins - DNR
Abry Jones - DNR
Kaplan Lewis-Moore - DNR
Bennie Logan - DNR
Quanterus Smith - DNR
Star Lotulelei - DNR
Stansly Maponga - DNR
Stacy McGee - DNR
Alex Okafor - DNR
Kawann Short - DNR
John Simon - DNR
Damion Square - DNR
Walter Stewart - DNR
Jesse Williams - DNR

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DL Bench Press

Margus Hunt - 38 - (33 3/4 inch arm) - (T-6th most among DL since 2006)
Brandon Williams - 38 - (32 5/8) - (T-6th most among DL since 2006)
Akeem Spence - 37 - (33 1/2) - (T-9th most among DL since 2006)
Josh Boyd - 32 - (32)
John Jenkins - 30 - (34)
Chris Jones - 30 - (32 3/4)
Abry Jones - 30 - (35)
Bennie Logan - 30 - (34)
Stansly Maponga - 30 - (34 1/8)
Sheldon Richardson - 30 - (34 1/2)
Jesse Williams - 30 - (32)
Trevardo Williams - 30 - (32 1/4)
Datone Jones - 29 - (32 3/4)
Cornellius "Tank" Carradine - 28 - (34 3/4)
Jordan Hill - 28 - (33 1/2)
Ty Powell - 28 - (32 1/2)
Jared Smith - 28 - (33 1/2)
Nick Williams - 28 - (34 1/8)
Corey Lemonier - 27 - (34 1/2)
Sylvester Williams - 27 - (33 1/2)
Malliciah Goodman - 26 - (36 3/8)
T.J. Barnes - 25 - (34 7/8)
Bjoern Werner - 25 - (33 1/4)
Tourek Williams - 25 - (32 1/2)
Joe Kruger - 24 - (34 3/8)
Nate Williams - 24 - (30 5/8)
Everett Dawkins - 23 - (32 3/4)
William Gholston - 23 - (34)
Michael Buchanan - 22 - (34)
Cory Grissom - 22 - (33 1/4)
Montori Hughes - 22 - (32 5/8)
Ziggy Ansah - 21 - (35 1/8)
Alex Okafor - 21 - (33 7/8)
David Bass - 20 - (33 1/2)
Brandon Jenkins - 18 - (33 1/4)
Devin Taylor - 14 - (36)
Damontre Moore - 12 - (34 3/4)


Armonty Bryant - DNP - (35 3/4)
Quinton Dial - DNP - (34 1/2)
Lavar Edwards - DNP - (35 1/2)
Sharrif Floyd - DNP - (31 3/4)
Kwame Geathers - DNP - (35 1/4)
Johnathan Hankins - DNP - (33)
Dion Jordan - DNP - (33 7/8)
Kapron Lewis-Moore - DNP - (33 5/8)
Star Lotulelei - DNP - (33 5/8)
Stacy McGee - DNP - (34 1/2)
Barkevious Mingo - DNP - (33 3/4)
Sam Montgomery - DNP - (33 7/8)
Kawann Short - DNP - (34 3/4)
John Simon - DNP - (33 1/4)
Quanterus Smith - DNP - (33 1/4)
Damion Square - DNP - (32 1/8)
Walter Stewart - DNP - (33)

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DL Vertical Jump

Trevardo Williams - 38 inches - (T-14th best since 2006)
Barkevious Mingo - 37
Ty Powell - 37
Damontre Moore - 35 1/2
Devin Taylor - 35
Nate Williams - 35
Ziggy Ansah - 34 1/2
Margus Hunt - 34 1/2
Sam Montgomery - 34 1/2
Joe Kruger - 34
Michael Buchanan - 33
Lavar Edwards - 33
Corey Lemonier - 33
Nick Williams - 33
Tourek Williams - 33
Dion Jordan - 32 1/2
Jared Smith - 32 1/2
Sheldon Richardson - 32
Armonty Bryant - 31 1/2
Malliciah Goodman - 31 1/2
Datone Jones - 31 1/2
Bjoern Werner - 31
David Bass - 30 1/2
Everett Dawkins - 30
Sharrif Floyd - 30
Akeem Spence - 30
Brandon Williams - 29 1/2
William Gholston - 28 1/2
Cory Grissom - 27 1/2
Josh Boyd - 26 1/2
Kwame Geathers - 26 1/2
Montori Hughes - 26 1/2
Abry Jones - 26 1/2
Sylvester Williams - 26 1/2
Johnathan Hankins - 26
Bennie Logan - 25
Jordan Hill - 22 1/2
T.J. Barnes - 22


Cornellius Carradine - DNP
Quinton Dial - DNP
Brandon Jenkins - DNP
John Jenkins - DNP
Chris Jones - DNP
Kapron Lewis-Moore - DNP
Star Lotulelei - DNP
Stansly Maponga - DNP
Stacy McGee - DNP
Alex Okafor - DNP
Kawann Short - DNP
John Simon - DNP
Quanterus Smith - DNP
Damion Square - DNP
Walter Stewart - DNP
Jesse Williams - DNP

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DL Broad Jump

Barkevious Mingo - 128 - 10 feet, 8 inches - (T-2nd best since 2006 - 1 inch behind the best)
Devin Taylor - 128 - 10 feet, 8 inches - (T-2nd best since 2006 - 1 inch behind the best)
Trevardo Williams - 124 - 10 feet, 4 inches - (T-9th best since 2006)
Dion Jordan - 122 - 10 feet, 2 inches
Damontre Moore - 122 - 10 feet, 2 inches
Ty Powell - 122 - 10 feet, 2 inches
Margus Hunt - 121 - 10 feet, 1 inch
Lavar Edwards - 119 - 9 feet, 11 inches
Corey Lemonier - 119 - 9 feet, 11 inches
Ziggy Ansah - 118 - 9 feet, 10 inches
Armonty Bryant - 118 - 9 feet, 10 inches
Joe Kruger - 117 - 9 feet, 9 inches
Sheldon Richardson - 116 - 9 feet, 8 inches
Jared Smith - 115 - 9 feet, 7 inches
Malliciah Goodman - 114 - 9 feet, 6 inches
Sam Montgomery - 114 - 9 feet, 6 inches
Michael Buchanan - 113 - 9 feet, 5 inches
Nate Williams - 113 - 9 feet, 5 inches
Datone Jones - 112 - 9 feet, 4 inches
Tourek Williams - 112 - 9 feet, 4 inches
David Bass - 111 - 9 feet, 3 inches
Bjoern Werner - 111 - 9 feet, 3 inches
Nick Williams - 111 - 9 feet, 3 inches
William Gholston - 110 - 9 feet, 2 inches
Akeem Spence - 107 - 8 feet, 11 inches
Sharrif Floyd - 106 - 8 feet, 10 inches
Josh Boyd - 104 - 8 feet, 8 inches
Johnathan Hankins - 104 - 8 feet, 8 inches
Montori Hughes - 104 - 8 feet, 8 inches
Bennie Logan - 104 - 8 feet, 8 inches
Everett Dawkins - 103 - 8 feet, 7 inches
Jordan Hill - 103 - 8 feet, 7 inches
Sylvester Williams - 102 - 8 feet, 6 inches
Brandon Williams - 102 - 8 feet, 6 inches
Abry Jones - 101 - 8 feet, 5 inches
T.J. Barnes - 97 - 8 feet, 1 inch
Cory Grissom - 97 - 8 feet, 1 inch
Kwame Geathers - 96 - 8 feet even


Cornellius Carradine - DNP
Quinton Dial - DNP
Brandon Jenkins - DNP
John Jenkins - DNP
Chris Jones - DNP
Kapron Lewis-Moore - DNP
Star Lotulelei - DNP
Stansly Maponga - DNP
Stacy McGee - DNP
Alex Okafor - DNP
Kawann Short - DNP
John Simon - DNP
Quanterus Smith - DNP
Damion Square - DNP
Walter Stewart - DNP
Jesse Williams - DNP

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

Any of you guys know anything about AJ Klein? Curious to see some outside opinions on him.

He's actually my neighbor. It's really exciting hearing his family talk about the draft, getting an agent, the combine and all that stuff.

 

[Dodub]

Tyrann Mathieu put up 4 reps on the bench just a few minutes ago. Not surprising.

Pozz, what was his height and weight?

 

[Ray_Dogg]

5' 8 3/4" 186 lbs

 

[Tubbs1518]

If the 49ers draft him, he'll be playing 3-4 end. Are you guaranteeing the 49ers won't draft him?

Unless you trade into the top 5 you aren't drafting him. And I highly doubt you are.

 

[4lifer9er]

what do you think he(Mathieu) runs tomorrow in the 40? I put him between 4.40-4.45.. Also I think he may have a pretty crazy vert, close to 40"

 

[Robotech]

He isn't going to wow at the combine as far as numbers go.

As small as Mathieu is, I am impressed he put up 4 reps. I expect him to get stronger over the next year or two. I think he'll put up good numbers in the running drills.

 

[EKmane]

Thanks MHS.

This thread is hillarous because of this:



And Murphy wasn't even invited to the combine. Ha!

And I was "high" for thinking Devin Taylor isn't anywhere near as athletic as JJ Watt.

Murphy is returning to Stanford. WEIRDO!

http://www.mercurynews.com/stanford...en-gardner-announce-theyre-returning-stanford

 

[Smalls]

Any of you guys know anything about AJ Klein? Curious to see some outside opinions on him.

He's actually my neighbor. It's really exciting hearing his family talk about the draft, getting an agent, the combine and all that stuff.

He hurt his knee today. At one point, there were reports that it was serious, but he came out and said he was okay. Apparently he will make up the rest of the drills at his pro day.

 

[EKmane]

Thanks MHS.

This thread is hillarous because of this:



And Murphy wasn't even invited to the combine. Ha!

And I was "high" for thinking Devin Taylor isn't anywhere near as athletic as JJ Watt.

What was the rest of Taylors' numbers? He isn't as strong, that wasn't even a question.

By the way, I also said that Taylor sucked, don't try to make it look as if I said he was a good player. I was using him as an example of how much stock SHOULDN'T be put into the combine.