nfl agrees with the call

[shouldakepowens]

NFL statement: Result final, Tate should have been flagged | ProFootballTalk no suprise at all

 

[Bemular]

NFL statement: Result final, Tate should have been flagged | ProFootballTalk no suprise at all

Looks like Donte Stallworth had it right on his tweet - and the refs had it right on the field - damn these RO's are good

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

By that statement, I would just say they agreed with the "process". They said that a call was made on the field - not that it was the correct call - and agreed that there was no concrete evidence to overturn.

I think the "obvious" nature of the interception is being overplayed a bit. Like most people I think it should have been ruled INT, but I think you can make a case for simultaneous possession based on the replay and certainly its not 100% clear. NFL's statement defensible IMO.

 

[rmilia1]

By that statement, I would just say they agreed with the "process". They said that a call was made on the field - not that it was the correct call - and agreed that there was no concrete evidence to overturn.

I think the "obvious" nature of the interception is being overplayed a bit. Like most people I think it should have been ruled INT, but I think you can make a case for simultaneous possession based on the replay and certainly its not 100% clear. NFL's statement defensible IMO.

This is the problem, they couldnt overturn the simultaneous possession ruling anyway. Its not reviewable. They could look and make sure the ball was caught inbounds but thats it. Thats a rule that needs changing IMO.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

This is the problem, they couldnt overturn the simultaneous possession ruling anyway. Its not reviewable. They could look and make sure the ball was caught inbounds but thats it. Thats a rule that needs changing IMO.

In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable.

 

[rmilia1]

In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable.

Yeah just saw that. Commented in another thread. Interesting because it doesnt say that anywhere in the rules at all. It simply says that simultaneous possession is not reviewable in " the field of play" which one would assume means the end zone as well especially when nowhere in the rule book does it say otherwise.

 

[Bemular]

By that statement, I would just say they agreed with the "process". They said that a call was made on the field - not that it was the correct call - and agreed that there was no concrete evidence to overturn.

I think the "obvious" nature of the interception is being overplayed a bit. Like most people I think it should have been ruled INT, but I think you can make a case for simultaneous possession based on the replay and certainly its not 100% clear. NFL's statement defensible IMO.

The entire play became inconsequential the moment Tate pushed Shields - THAT is what should be grabbing the headlines not the scrum for the football.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

Yeah, exactly. The catch was a very tough call, the PI was as easy as possible. The ref was probably just paralyzed with anxiety over a game-ending call.

 

[rmilia1]

If the NFL is saying the endzone is not in the field of play then that opens up a ton of other problems for them like how do you call a holding penalty in the end zone if its not technically in the field of play, how do you call a fumble recovered in the end zone if its not in the field of play etc etc. A lot of the rules in the NFL casebook stipulate field of play so Im not sure how they get around that one.. The rulebook itself states that penalties are only enforceable when committed in the field of play ( except for personal fouls). Thats a whole new can of worms.

 

[rmilia1]

The pass interference call never happened because it was evidently done somewhere other than the field.... LOL

 

[abaskin18]

PI is never going to get called on a hail mary, certainly not by a scared replacement ref.

 

[Bemular]

PI is never going to get called on a hail mary, certainly not by a scared replacement ref.

In general - you're right - That PI wasn't in general however.

 

[abaskin18]

In general - you're right - That PI wasn't in general however.

Niether was the end of the Niners Giants 2002 wildcard game. No ref, regular or replacement, wants to make a judgment call to win or lose the game on the final play. Even Gerry Austin said you let it go so I'm not going to focus as much of my attention on that aspect of it. You can if you want, but, imo, it just isn't at the top of the list of shit that went wrong there.

 

[scotsman1948]

the nfl is not going to embarrass itself so of course they're going to say the call was right

 

[BINGO]

Looks like Donte Stallworth had it right on his tweet - and the refs had it right on the field - damn these RO's are good

What did he tweet?

 

[Bemular]

Niether was the end of the Niners Giants 2002 wildcard game. No ref, regular or replacement, wants to make a judgment call to win or lose the game on the final play. Even Gerry Austin said you let it go so I'm not going to focus as much of my attention on that aspect of it. You can if you want, but, imo, it just isn't at the top of the list of shit that went wrong there.

You are allowing the term "judgment call" to cloud your judgment. Every flag thrown and not thrown in the NFL is a judgment call. There would be little or no controversy today if the PI was called, unless you saw any conclusive evidence at all that Tate did not commit PI, because I sure didn't.

By your rules, on all Hail Mary passes players from both teams should just tackle the other players and vice versa - hell players should just start hurling players to the ground until the ball is caught. I might kind of like that.

 

[Bemular]

What did he tweet?

He tweeted an explanation of the simultaneous catch rule

 

[numone9er]

This game needs to be over turned. I know it's not going to happen, but it should.

 

[abaskin18]

You are allowing the term "judgment call" to cloud your judgment. Every flag thrown and not thrown in the NFL is a judgment call. There would be little or no controversy today if the PI was called, unless you saw any conclusive evidence at all that Tate did not commit PI, because I sure didn't.

By your rules, on all Hail Mary passes players from both teams should just tackle the other players and vice versa - hell players should just start hurling players to the ground until the ball is caught. I might kind of like that.

I disagree with your assessment of my view. I'm basing my view on years of PI not being called in similar situations, not the word "judgement." In some cases it's been as (if not more) glaring and has taken place to end a playoff game. To claim every flag is as much a "judgement call" as PI is ignorant and I know you don't believe that.

Little to no controversy if the PI was called? True, but there would be even less controversy if the 10+ bad calls leading up to that play were called correctly. A view in hindsight is what means little to nothing.

My rules? You don't need to put words in my mouth to state your point.

 

[ChrisPozz]

PI is never going to get called on a hail mary, certainly not by a scared replacement ref.

Not necessarily. I wouldn't say that after listening to Gerry Austin last night and this morning. He said that P.I. might not get called in a situation like that if it's close. I don't want to say "it's understood" that the players are allowed to play extra hard in those situations, but he said something along the lines of, "You probably aren't going to call P.I. there unless it's obvious and egregious." The NFL might argue differently with how I worded that but I got the sense that if all officials think how Gerry Austin spoke, that something close to P.I. on a play like that MIGHT not get called. Therefore, I would not say that P.I. is NEVER going to be called on a play like that.