my rant on Rg3 is over now its support time

[skinsdad62]

all off season i have been dead in Rg3's ass about his performance and failures and his diva attitude . i still believe that and i think the potential ship has sailed in year 4 .

but i am going into support mode now that OTA's are here . that doesnt mean i wont criticize him when i see it however the choice has been made at this point and he is the starter .

if he fails so does the team so my bashing of him is over for now . now it is going to be an honest assessment of his play with the facts that are available minus the rant

what i would like to see from him is better game management skill , and a jump in knowing the offense and what to do with the ball . no more forced pocket passing stuff etc. hopefully he learns to take care of himself .

if we get that then its a step forward so lets take it a step at a time

now if Kc and/or colt outplay him them they should get the shot but at this time i am out of the undercutting business when it comes to Rg3 until the season has begun

so if you think i have flipped flopped , well you saw it here first

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Well...aside from his rookie season RG3 hasn't given you much to pat on the back about, so the kick in the ass was probably the best mode of operation.

IMO...it's simple...if RG3 wants to be a play maker running...he's going to get hurt again, and will be a 1 contract player in WAS...if he wants to be a distributor that makes the occasional play with his legs...it might not look great early, but if they stick with him, he has talent to get WAS back to being a playoff caliber team.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Well...aside from his rookie season RG3 hasn't given you much to pat on the back about, so the kick in the ass was probably the best mode of operation.

IMO...it's simple...if RG3 wants to be a play maker running...he's going to get hurt again, and will be a 1 contract player in WAS...if he wants to be a distributor that makes the occasional play with his legs...it might not look great early, but if they stick with him, he has talent to get WAS back to being a playoff caliber team.

I think that the key for him is emulating Russell Wilson in many respects. I don't believe that RG3 will ever be a true pocket QB nor should he be one. He should scramble & run at times but should always head for the sideline when needed & avoid big hits even if it means forgoing 1st downs, TDs, etc (the only real exception would be a critical play in a playoff games that hopefully happens in the not too distant future).

 

[skinsdad62]

well it has been drilled into his head for the past 2 off seasons so hopefully he takes it to heart

 

[SoCalWizFan]

well it has been drilled into his head for the past 2 off seasons so hopefully he takes it to heart

Absolutely. As I have said many times - he either shows major signs of improvement or else the team needs to go in another direction - it is all up to him.

 

[skinsdad62]

well i am looking for him to do so . no more excuses or coddling .

he seems to have had a good 1st day

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I think that the key for him is emulating Russell Wilson in many respects. I don't believe that RG3 will ever be a true pocket QB nor should he be one. He should scramble & run at times but should always head for the sideline when needed & avoid big hits even if it means forgoing 1st downs, TDs, etc (the only real exception would be a critical play in a playoff games that hopefully happens in the not too distant future).

I agree 100% there...he's too good of an athlete to completely take his legs away...RW is the new benchmark for mobile QBs, but even with 800+ yds rushing, Wilson seeks to distribute the ball first and runs when the play breaks down...not many designed running plays, unless they see something he can exploit.

As you said...time to hang up the cape, and stop taking flush hits out of the pocket. If he doesn't know that by now, he never will.

 

[reptec101]

The problem is... the dude can't slide, and because of this he ends up taking LB's head on, or he falls awkwardly. Neither bodes well for him or the team because he gets hurt to easy. I believe he's afraid to hurt his leg again, understandably, and so he want's to sit back and be a pocket passer. Problem is... he just aint one. I believe the coaches all know this and therein lies their dilemma. Play a guy who holds onto the ball way to long and hope, just hope he becomes the same guy that he was year one or take the busted draft pick and add it to our collection of ESPN rankings.

We've all said it and he's heard every word from his 2nd year on. "Dude, gotta be smarter when you run with the ball. Get out of bounds or get down."

And I have to ask you guys.

Has he?.... been smarter.

I'm not sure. I saw him take a number of nasty unnecesary hits during his 2nd and 3rd year. Seems to me he ain't learning, and all the helping him learn how to slide bullshit is a joke. I guess what I'm saying is that this is his last year here to finally learn to be a pocket passer. To learn to get out of bounds. To learn to slide. To learn to just be a smarter QB and believe in his self again, because KC is just waiting for his other chance to grab hold of this team.

To be continued...

 

[Sharkinva]

all off season i have been dead in Rg3's ass about his performance and failures and his diva attitude . i still believe that and i think the potential ship has sailed in year 4 .

but i am going into support mode now that OTA's are here . that doesnt mean i wont criticize him when i see it however the choice has been made at this point and he is the starter .

if he fails so does the team so my bashing of him is over for now . now it is going to be an honest assessment of his play with the facts that are available minus the rant

what i would like to see from him is better game management skill , and a jump in knowing the offense and what to do with the ball . no more forced pocket passing stuff etc. hopefully he learns to take care of himself .

if we get that then its a step forward so lets take it a step at a time

now if Kc and/or colt outplay him them they should get the shot but at this time i am out of the undercutting business when it comes to Rg3 until the season has begun

so if you think i have flipped flopped , well you saw it here first

NO worries... I got this.

 

[Stymietee]

I agree 100% there...he's too good of an athlete to completely take his legs away...RW is the new benchmark for mobile QBs, but even with 800+ yds rushing, Wilson seeks to distribute the ball first and runs when the play breaks down...not many designed running plays, unless they see something he can exploit.

As you said...time to hang up the cape, and stop taking flush hits out of the pocket. If he doesn't know that by now, he never will.

While it has been quite evident from the beginning that RGIII should have been handled as Wilson and Kapernick were, this team was not built in a manner that allowed RGIII to manage the team, grow into the position and take fewer chances running with the ball as they were. Sure he didn't know how to protect himself by sliding or getting out of bounds, maybe he still doesn't, but one thing is abundantly clear now, SM has made it very clear that he intends to build a team that doesn't ask his QB to win games but just like Wilson and Kapernick early on not lose them. To me this is the 1st season that Griffin will be asked to do anything remotely close to what either of those two were. He certainly didn't have much to work with prior to SM's arrival.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

That a boy dad!

I have to disagree about his ability to protect himself. He still has a ways to go but he is MUCH improved in that area. He still doesn't do it well but he has in fact learned to slide, he is much better at it than 2 years ago when every attempt looked like it would snap his leg in two.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

While it has been quite evident from the beginning that RGIII should have been handled as Wilson and Kapernick were, this team was not built in a manner that allowed RGIII to manage the team, grow into the position and take fewer chances running with the ball as they were. Sure he didn't know how to protect himself by sliding or getting out of bounds, maybe he still doesn't, but one thing is abundantly clear now, SM has made it very clear that he intends to build a team that doesn't ask his QB to win games but just like Wilson and Kapernick early on not lose them. To me this is the 1st season that Griffin will be asked to do anything remotely close to what either of those two were. He certainly didn't have much to work with prior to SM's arrival.

Hindsight is 20/20 is the saying right...with all the hype surrounding him vs RW and Kaep I can see why they just let him rip too.

Looking back on it...imo it's never a great idea to give a HC under pressure to win now a rookie QB...not really fair to either party. I've never been a big fan , but Shanny has never been a spread option guy so you have to know he didn't really want to throw him to the wolves.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Hindsight is 20/20 is the saying right...with all the hype surrounding him vs RW and Kaep I can see why they just let him rip too.

Looking back on it...imo it's never a great idea to give a HC under pressure to win now a rookie QB...not really fair to either party. I've never been a big fan , but Shanny has never been a spread option guy so you have to know he didn't really want to throw him to the wolves.

A little different in this case since Shanahan was basically the GM & was the one who made this decision. If he wants to complain & say that he was pressured into this by Snyder - tough - he should have stood up to him - like he appeared to do somewhat at the end. What you have stated is the basic reason why you should never have the head coach also be the GM or defacto GM - it is a recipe for disaster.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

A little different in this case since Shanahan was basically the GM & was the one who made this decision. If he wants to complain & say that he was pressured into this by Snyder - tough - he should have stood up to him - like he appeared to do somewhat at the end. What you have stated is the basic reason why you should never have the head coach also be the GM or defacto GM - it is a recipe for disaster.

I would've liked to have been a fly on a wall when the decision was made, but come hell or high water...after Mc5 failed and Peyton said no...it seemed to be a forgone conclusion they were going to take a QB.

HC/GM...that ship had already sailed (i.e. proven not to work...Parcells, Holmgren, etc.) when he was granted that power but he was a big name and had the pedigree (2 SB titles) that Snyder went down that road anyway.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I would've liked to have been a fly on a wall when the decision was made, but come hell or high water...after Mc5 failed and Peyton said no...it seemed to be a forgone conclusion they were going to take a QB.

HC/GM...that ship had already sailed (i.e. proven not to work...Parcells, Holmgren, etc.) when he was granted that power but he was a big name and had the pedigree (2 SB titles) that Snyder went down that road anyway.

Yep. However - what is interesting about your last paragraph is that the Eagles have basically given that role to Kelly at this time & he certainly has used his power to a major degree during this offseason.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Yep. However - what is interesting about your last paragraph is that the Eagles have basically given that role to Kelly at this time & he certainly has used his power to a major degree during this offseason.

Kelly...yep...not to steer too far off the grid here...admittedly I'm a skeptic...ya know...he comes off as a person who just thinks he knows more than the next guy...kind of like Josh McDaniel moving up to pick Tebow in the 1st round. We'll see how that works in PHI.

FWIW...I don't think Shanny wanted to take RG3, he had Jake Plummer who was somewhat mobile and obviously Elway had good wheels, but he was a WC OFC guy...the pieces didn't add up to me. He did stand up at the end, but I think he knew he was dead in the water then and said screw it...I'm going down anyway.

 

[Stymietee]

Hindsight is 20/20 is the saying right...with all the hype surrounding him vs RW and Kaep I can see why they just let him rip too.

Looking back on it...imo it's never a great idea to give a HC under pressure to win now a rookie QB...not really fair to either party. I've never been a big fan , but Shanny has never been a spread option guy so you have to know he didn't really want to throw him to the wolves.

Too many on this site wish that I spoke from hindsight on this matter. Unfortunately, for them it has been my position from the beginning that the team either build itself much like Seattle and SF were at the time in order to give Griffin a platform in which to play and learn. Failing that because MS was determined to recast the team using the formula smaller quicker OLmen, I took the position that if they were to draft Griffin, no matter the cost, knowing that he had zero experience in a pro-style offense, zero prior use of a play book and no experiences in reading defenses.........Bench him....... to give him time to learn. I said it then in the moment, not as an adjunct based on 20/20 hindsight.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Too many on this site wish that I spoke from hindsight on this matter. Unfortunately, for them it has been my position from the beginning that the team either build itself much like Seattle and SF were at the time in order to give Griffin a platform in which to play and learn. Failing that because MS was determined to recast the team using the formula smaller quicker OLmen, I took the position that if they were to draft Griffin, no matter the cost, knowing that he had zero experience in a pro-style offense, zero prior use of a play book and no experiences in reading defenses.........Bench him....... to give him time to learn. I said it then in the moment, not as an adjunct based on 20/20 hindsight.

Too many on this site wish that I spoke from hindsight on this matter. Unfortunately, for them it has been my position from the beginning that the team either build itself much like Seattle and SF were at the time in order to give Griffin a platform in which to play and learn. Failing that because MS was determined to recast the team using the formula smaller quicker OLmen, I took the position that if they were to draft Griffin, no matter the cost, knowing that he had zero experience in a pro-style offense, zero prior use of a play book and no experiences in reading defenses.........Bench him....... to give him time to learn. I said it then in the moment, not as an adjunct based on 20/20 hindsight.

I hear you...my comment on the 20/20 wasn't directed at you or anyone specifically...fwiw...as you said, having no exp in a pro style OFC, I thought he would struggle early and improve from there...it was just the opposite.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh Shanny wanted Griffin alright. He also knew, and warned Snyder and Allen, that it would take time. It should also be mentioned that had they known about the worst penalty in the history of the NFL, the $36 million cap hit, before making the deal they would have never made the deal. You can't give up that many picks and absorb that cap hit at the same time. And of course that cap hit prevented him from putting building blocks around Griffin.

So thanks Mr. Mara, thanks a lot. Oh and fuck you.

 

[skinsdad62]

agin i will say it , an HC with 2 horrific losing seasons isnt going to sit a number 2 overall draft pick for a year or 2 as he is shown the door for losing

it wasnt going to happen , and the went 10-6 with him and a playoff birth

the problem is Rg3's attitude , not some alleged mishandling of him . he needed to step up and show some dedication and maturity but he did neither . that is a character issue not a "sit down and learn " issue

i doubt we can win with RG3 at qb (super bowls ) because he isnt a leader . he is a superb athlete and he can make a play or 2 but no one is running through the proverbial wall for him because of his attitude and priorities

sorry but i am sick and tired of young men who wont accept their crap in an issue and others who excuse and coddle them . . RG3 has no one to blame for his plight but himself , period . it isnt "society " or the "coaches " or any other place you want to point the finger . . he needs to point the thumb right back at himself where it belongs and take steps to correct it .

that is what a leader of men does