Mock Draft Chat

[Hall]

I always forget why some players are worth more than the amount of seasons they played.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I always forget why some players are worth more than the amount of seasons they played.

Longevity is a factor of course

 

[Hall]

Longevity is a factor of course

Yea but Ruth and Johnson played full careers.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yea but Ruth and Johnson played full careers.

You really can't put a price on Ruth.

I wouldn't have a problem with Walter being $20 but Ruth $22 could legitimately be too low, that's how great he was imo

 

[Nosferatu]

I always forget why some players are worth more than the amount of seasons they played.

If you'd like to go over all players who's careers began prior to 1933 and assign them a dollar value please feel free, i'm actually serious, we would use it.

 

[Hall]

Yea I'm aware his numbers are great but I don't think anyone takes them without any sort of context.

 

[Hall]

If you'd like to go over all players who's careers began prior to 1933 and assign them a dollar value please feel free, i'm actually serious, we would use it.

I've offered to do it based upon season WAR before or some other metric but never got a response really. While I dont neccesarily feel that is completely fait either. I could at least just use it for pre 33 players and give them a generated All Star value.

Baseball reference uses 5+ as All Star Level. We'd probably generate more numbers than there are spots but we are counting everyone that Could have been an all star then obviously the newswrites/m fans all star mistakes still to this day.

 

[femurov]

If we're going to use ASGs as a cap number, we shouldn't use players before 1933.

 

[femurov]

@Ritzarmy made a suggestion in the wrong thread...

Same draft we just did, only with Basketball and Hockey.

 

[Hall]

@Ritzarmy made a suggestion in the wrong thread...

Same draft we just did, only with Basketball and Hockey.

I don't see the point in doing a combo draft and having h2h votes separately.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I've offered to do it based upon season WAR before or some other metric but never got a response really. While I dont neccesarily feel that is completely fait either. I could at least just use it for pre 33 players and give them a generated All Star value.

Baseball reference uses 5+ as All Star Level. We'd probably generate more numbers than there are spots but we are counting everyone that Could have been an all star then obviously the newswrites/m fans all star mistakes still to this day.

The problem is WAR is not a great stat and using one stat we have tried for different drafts but it’s just easier to set a price, of course not all with be valued great, most too high and some too low. If you used # of seasons or really just a single metric we would have the same issue. We would have to generate a sheet of all players pre-1933 and set a price for each then anytime we have a cap draft we go by that sheet or something idk

 

[Shanemansj13]

If we're going to use ASGs as a cap number, we shouldn't use players before 1933.

Fine with me, just took it from a previous draft. We can change whatever

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't see the point in doing a combo draft and having h2h votes separately.

So you want rankings again? That is always tough to rank

 

[Hall]

So you want rankings again? That is always tough to rank

I mean its fine doing the both together I guess. It's not so much that I want rankings it's just that balance teams would have a yougher time winning a h2h series especially in NBA and NHL (we already did the teammates nba) where I am sure more people like Basketball than Hockey.

 

[Hall]

The problem is WAR is not a great stat and using one stat we have tried for different drafts but it’s just easier to set a price, of course not all with be valued great, most too high and some too low. If you used # of seasons or really just a single metric we would have the same issue. We would have to generate a sheet of all players pre-1933 and set a price for each then anytime we have a cap draft we go by that sheet or something idk

Why do you believe WAR is not a great stat?

I don't believe its perfect but there is a large correlation to perception of great players and the WAR numbers.

It also encompasses offense defense and baserunning and pitching so its not a single stat but a culmination of many.

I dont like it in things like the MVP discussion because WAR is context neutral. But it has its merits in the big picture.

 

[Nosferatu]

I don't see the point in doing a combo draft and having h2h votes separately.

Agreed

 

[Nosferatu]

where I am sure more people like Basketball than Hockey.

Those people are

 

[Shanemansj13]

Why do you believe WAR is not a great stat?

I don't believe its perfect but there is a large correlation to perception of great players and the WAR numbers.

It also encompasses offense defense and baserunning and pitching so its not a single stat but a culmination of many.

I dont like it in things like the MVP discussion because WAR is context neutral. But it has its merits in the big picture.

I just would rather not base value specifically on WAR. I think if want to do a cap draft excluding pre 1933 is just the easy way to go. If you do want to include them we can find a different way of valuing these players

 

[Shanemansj13]

Those people are

So we are doing a Figure Skating draft? I would rather those drafts be separated then hahaha

 

[Hall]

Well could also do the WAR season evaluation across the whole history and disregard ASG apperances.

Creates a new drafting environment one you arent inherently already used too.