MLB offseason thread

[Bodega]

Verlander to the Giants? Well, we saw how well the 2023 CYYoung winner worked out last year, let’s get an even older version of a Cy Young winner from 2022. That oughta work

 

[chappee11]

Posted in the NL West thread, but it looks quiet, so I'll add it here:

Report: Giants reach 1-year, $15 million deal with 9-time All-Star Justin Verlander

The three-time Cy Young winner will turn 42 in February.

www.yahoo.com

The hot stove has turned frigid. Can you throw another log on that thing to get it going? Pitchers and catchers is only like 6 weeks away and there are a LOT of big names still out there.

 

[chappee11]

There has been talk about this transaction in the Giants' forum.
We aren't expecting much from the team this year but are excited to have even an aging Verlander join the rotation.

Not sure how much he has left in the tank at this stage. It’s reminiscent of when the Giants signed Randy Johnson at the end of his amazing career. If he’s healthy, at least you know he’s in the right ballpark to get the best results. Not a bad roll of the dice on a 1 year deal. If he’s going, you might be able to flip him for a prospect at the deadline, too. Very low risk move.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Not sure how much he has left in the tank at this stage. It’s reminiscent of when the Giants signed Randy Johnson at the end of his amazing career. If he’s healthy, at least you know he’s in the right ballpark to get the best results. Not a bad roll of the dice on a 1 year deal. If he’s going, you might be able to flip him for a prospect at the deadline, too. Very low risk move.

right, the thing about these signings is that there is a chance they have a resurgence for some length of time... if he does, then they will be seen as geniuses... if he doesnt, well, he wasnt expected to do much anyway...

but even his not much... he should still eat innnings every game he actually pitches...

 

[calsnowskier]

right, the thing about these signings is that there is a chance they have a resurgence for some length of time... if he does, then they will be seen as geniuses... if he doesnt, well, he wasnt expected to do much anyway...

but even his not much... he should still eat innnings every game he actually pitches...

Imho, if he gets 15 starts and/or eats 100 innings, it will be a successful sign. Exposing all the Giants young pitchers to him alone almost makes the contract worth it. But he also puts asses in seats and MIGHT be able to be flipped for SOMETHING at the deadline.

If he never pitches for us (gets hurt in ST), all it will have cost us is 15M, and I don’t give a shit about MLB owners having to dole out cash. That doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Imho, if he gets 15 starts and/or eats 100 innings, it will be a successful sign. Exposing all the Giants young pitchers to him alone almost makes the contract worth it. But he also puts asses in seats and MIGHT be able to be flipped for SOMETHING at the deadline.

If he never pitches for us (gets hurt in ST), all it will have cost us is 15M, and I don’t give a shit about MLB owners having to dole out cash. That doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

i agree... its similar to the yankees signing goldy and bellanger... just Verlander is someone fans will want to see...

 

[Bodega]

Imho, if he gets 15 starts and/or eats 100 innings, it will be a successful sign. Exposing all the Giants young pitchers to him alone almost makes the contract worth it. But he also puts asses in seats and MIGHT be able to be flipped for SOMETHING at the deadline.

If he never pitches for us (gets hurt in ST), all it will have cost us is 15M, and I don’t give a shit about MLB owners having to dole out cash. That doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

A million bucks a start? Glad it’s not my money

 

[calsnowskier]

A million bucks a start? Glad it’s not my money

Exactly. It isn’t our money. The Johnsons are making money hand over fist with the cove site, so I am not crying for them. And it isn’t like the price of a beer at the games will go up based on this signing.

 

[Bodega]

Exactly. It isn’t our money. The Johnsons are making money hand over fist with the cove site, so I am not crying for them. And it isn’t like the price of a beer at the games will go up based on this signing.

Some of you have said that Verlander brings more to the team than just his pitching and I agree with that. He’s a guy who has been there and can pass on a lot of his knowledge to the younger pitchers. He’s will bring his presence to the team and his credibility……….I wish he could play 1st base though

 

[chappee11]

Thought this was interesting:

“The Padres, Twins, Cardinals, Braves, Brewers and Marlins have yet to sign a free agent to a fully guaranteed big league deal. Several others — Mariners ($3.5MM), Rockies ($9.75MM), Rays ($8.5MM), Pirates ($8MM) — have spent under $10MM in total. That’s one full third of the teams in MLB whose combined free agent expenditures total $29.75MM — or just barely more than Max Fried will earn annually with the Yankees.”

So few MLB teams even seem to be trying to compete anymore. It’s really bizarre.

 

[msgkings322]

Thought this was interesting:

“The Padres, Twins, Cardinals, Braves, Brewers and Marlins have yet to sign a free agent to a fully guaranteed big league deal. Several others — Mariners ($3.5MM), Rockies ($9.75MM), Rays ($8.5MM), Pirates ($8MM) — have spent under $10MM in total. That’s one full third of the teams in MLB whose combined free agent expenditures total $29.75MM — or just barely more than Max Fried will earn annually with the Yankees.”

So few MLB teams even seem to be trying to compete anymore. It’s really bizarre.

The Dodgers effect

 

[LHG]

The Dodgers effect

That was my initial thought as well but I do wonder how much of this is the network deals that went south with so many teams too with the company whose name I cannot remember at the moment.

It could also be teams seeing how big name free agents got cheaper close to spring training so they are waiting for the bargain bin to open up. Could be a lot of factors why this is happening.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think the Dodgers and their super team, while scooping up all the cream each year is PART of it. But I also think that teams will essentially get their money no matter what, so why bother spending money?

 

[LHG]

Looks like Padres are out of the running on Sasaki. Its down to the Dodgers and Blue Jays.

Padres Sign Two Dominican Prospects, May Be Out On Sasaki

The Padres are finalizing deals with a pair of Dominican prospects and could be out of the Roki Sasaki race. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[chappee11]

I think the Dodgers and their super team, while scooping up all the cream each year is PART of it. But I also think that teams will essentially get their money no matter what, so why bother spending money?

The big spenders this Winter are the Mets, Dodgers and Yankees. And(what do you know?), those were 3 of the last 4 teams standing this year.

 

[calsnowskier]

The big spenders this Winter are the Mets, Dodgers and Yankees. And(what do you know?), those were 3 of the last 4 teams standing this year.

It comes from having an ownership group that WANTS to win. And being able to utilize non-baseball incentives to attract players. The three teams you mentioned can offer marketing opportunities to players that the Pirates can’t compete with. Those three teams also have owners that WANT to win, so squeezing every dollar out to get max efficiency is not really the main point.

I am a believer that just about any team CAN be a stud organization, but only a few make the DECISION to do it (or have the personnel to be able to do it).

 

[LHG]

It would seem the Blue Jays still feel like they have a chance at landing Sasaki.

Blue Jays Acquire Myles Straw, International Bonus Pool Space From Guardians

The Blue Jays acquired Myles Straw, cash, and international bonus pool space from the Guardians. Cleveland gets a PTBNL or cash. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[calsnowskier]

It would seem the Blue Jays still feel like they have a chance at landing Sasaki.

Blue Jays Acquire Myles Straw, International Bonus Pool Space From Guardians

The Blue Jays acquired Myles Straw, cash, and international bonus pool space from the Guardians. Cleveland gets a PTBNL or cash. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[LHG]

Is anyone really surprised?

 

[chappee11]

Is anyone really surprised?

LOL. It’s funny that there was even a real dialogue about this. I guess SD was a dark horse, but he was always going to the Dodgers. Toronto was great as a “pretend” destination. Nobody really wants to play there.