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Beltre/Sexson
Cano/Cruz

They absolutely can sign legit FA hitters when they're ready (next year). I worry more about signing starting pitchers, which we'll need more though.

This year is still about developing the young lineup for the years ahead and I just don't see Hanniger as having much value in those years. Get as much from him right now while he does have value.
Of those though, Cruz is the only one you can say Seattle “attracted”. Beltre and Cano were massively overpaid. Sexson was overpaid but he was at least worth it until his 3rd year.

Hindsight is massively 20/20 but wish he would’ve dealt Haniger after his all star season. He could’ve netted a top pitching prospect then.
 

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this is a bit funny...but the conclusion...to this thread...for me...is that ...the mariners need free agents...and if kelenic..is doing well
after 10..15 or 20..games...then they need to bring him..which ..would make ..a line up..of

1 haniger.....RF/DH
2 france.........2B/Dh/1B
3 seager..........3B.........L/L
4 lewis...............CF
5 torrens/murphy.............catch
6 white.............1B
7kelenic...........LF/cf......L/L.trammell....if he goes down...he will come back..at some point......
8 haggerty.................utility
9 crawford.....SS...L/L

i hate to say this...but moore is ....not .....cutting it...and haggerty is......so..this is the real story.......if france..is going to..2B..then..haniger..is going to DH
then.......they need a ..RF............or 2B.if france will DH.....or they need a DH...(marmo will not do here).....which....would leave haggerty..at utility

if i would trade guys it would be..marmo..and moore...but no team..wants them...at mlb..they need to go back to the minors
 

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if..Cal Raleigh29....... does well at tacoma..he could be a solution..at DH..but i would not count on that..this year
if Eric Filia72..would heat up..and hit 320..at tacoma...no doubt they would bring him......rf/Dh..almost..the very thing they could use...just right now
eric was not hitting well..in spring.....thing change though

 
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The interesting decision is should they work on an extension for Seager.
agreed, at the very least he has an option if they want it for next year but I bet an extension would actually save them money in 2022
 

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seager..14th best..or 14th..worst...at any rate...he is 14th..at 3b..in mlb..that is in ave..which is his worst...suit
14
KyleSeager
7
JoseRamirez
3B
CLE28101192841817151240.277.370.574.944
8
GioUrshela
3B
NYY26959264041672510.274.320.442.762
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JeimerCandelario
3B
DET3011111305028113200.270.336.369.705
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AsdrubalCabrera
3B
ARI2582142270212171600.268.390.427.817
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YoanMoncada
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CWS2797122640316133100.268.368.402.770
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NolanArenado
3B
STL2911313309152191900.265.325.496.821
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StarlinCastro
3B
WSH25953245011331900.253.270.337.607
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KyleSeager
3B

SEA
3111710299152282610.248.302.470.772

it fall off drastically...after seager..5th or 7th..cuz he is tied with 2 others in Hrs.at 3b..right now..............slg..is 8th.ops is...10th
 
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agreed, at the very least he has an option if they want it for next year but I bet an extension would actually save them money in 2022
cant hurt...14th..best or worst...reality..he will prob be good till...age 38...so..even an other..declining contract..would be ok
 

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as with haniger...i dont want to go searching...for a guy..at 3b...in free agent..i would rather...a minor league guy came along....and beat seager..out
at which point they still would not...dump him....prob...

no..seager..is a mariner
1 of 3 guys that ..jedi used to be the corner stones of the franchise
1 seager...........3B
2 haniger.......RF/dh
and
3 gonzales.....LHP
 

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cant hurt...14th..best or worst...reality..he will prob be good till...age 38...so..even an other..declining contract..would be ok
I don't see why Seagar couldn't be the Ryan Zimmerman/Nats type guy in Seattle.
 

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good and bad

mariners..bull pen..has improved...from last year...and is improving more..still..........good
mariners..pitching ..injuries ..are hurting them most...............................................................bad

torens...seem to hit a bit better ..than expected........................................................................good
murphy..is not hitting..like he can.....yet..........................................................................................bad

crawford and haggerty..are hitting well...........................................................................................good
José Marmolejos 26 and Dylan Moore 25are not...........................................................................bad

Kyle Lewis 1..is back..and starting to heat up.....................................................................................good
Mitch Haniger 17 and Ty France 23..are slumping............................................................................bad

Taylor Trammell 20...has been up to mlb..but needs ..to go back down and work on a few things.........more of the ..ok..good.
.but he is not at AA..where i thought..he would be..to ...start

kelenic..and Jake Fraley 28 IL-10........................................................................................are not ready .......yet............................................bad

fletcher..L/L....called..up..i like that....................................................................................................................................good
Casey Sadler..and Keynan Middleton o...............put on..on the 10-day injured list.........................................bad

well...lololol...next time it will be
the good bad..and ugly.........lol
 

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Of those though, Cruz is the only one you can say Seattle “attracted”. Beltre and Cano were massively overpaid. Sexson was overpaid but he was at least worth it until his 3rd year.

Hindsight is massively 20/20 but wish he would’ve dealt Haniger after his all star season. He could’ve netted a top pitching prospect then.
I miss Cruz, he was the perfect DH for us, but he got too old for our rebuild. He keeps chugging along though.
 

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I miss Cruz, he was the perfect DH for us, but he got too old for our rebuild. He keeps chugging along though.
Devils Advocate: If you obtain enough Cruz type players, you don't need a rebuild. You just add the youngsters to the mix and build a winner. I know that is a new concept for Mariners, but I have seen it work.
 

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Of those though, Cruz is the only one you can say Seattle “attracted”. Beltre and Cano were massively overpaid. Sexson was overpaid but he was at least worth it until his 3rd year.

Hindsight is massively 20/20 but wish he would’ve dealt Haniger after his all star season. He could’ve netted a top pitching prospect then.
Damn you beat me to it. Yes we can offer Corey Seager or whatever big free agent next year $400M and get him here, but that never works. Improve the lineup 1 through 9 and not add a Cano and only. And I will say this for the umpteenth time, Dipoto has not added one legit pro bat via free agency since he has been here and now we need him to add 2 maybe 3 in the same offseason. Maybe he can, but a lot working against him.
 

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agreed, at the very least he has an option if they want it for next year but I bet an extension would actually save them money in 2022
That is where I am at. Offer a 3 year extension of say 12 million with incentives that can get him back to 17 or 18. Unless they decide they want to enter Bryant sweepstakes but I don’t think they will.
 

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I miss Cruz, he was the perfect DH for us, but he got too old for our rebuild. He keeps chugging along though.
Cruz is the one that pisses me off. He could’ve been had for 7 million in whatever that year was (2014?) that they missed the playoffs. They said they wouldn’t touch guys linked to PEDS. Can’t do it in the year they needed him but gave him 14 million or whatever the next offseason. Getting too old I don’t think is the reason. Aging vets are vital to young teams especially in the bs era of analytics vs real world. But I think in their perfect world Vogelbach would be the full time DH and can’t pay that much money for a guy they were only hoping would play against lefties.
 

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Damn you beat me to it. Yes we can offer Corey Seager or whatever big free agent next year $400M and get him here, but that never works. Improve the lineup 1 through 9 and not add a Cano and only. And I will say this for the umpteenth time, Dipoto has not added one legit pro bat via free agency since he has been here and now we need him to add 2 maybe 3 in the same offseason. Maybe he can, but a lot working against him.
Exactly. And this is why other rebuilds have worked. I love what the Padres have done in terms of exploding their budget. It wasn’t all at once and the years are staggered. It is why I was a huge proponent of getting Snell. There is zero chance they will get an ace with his salary and years.

I like what Jerry has done in terms of what he has done for the farm system, but there still is the cheap ownership group. If Jerry’s grand master plan works to perfection and the assumption that the MLBPA will get its way with massively raising salaries for younger players they will be looking at a 200 million dollar budget for 2023 since all of their top players except possibly Marte will be on the club or dealt for guys who will be on the 26 man roster.

But would you rather them try for Corey or Kris Bryant?
 

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for seattle's defence they need ty france to be..the DH...fan graphs..puts him at 638..or something like that..even moore..is better.at 738

2022 mlb free agents spotrac
Trevor BauerSP31LAD$35,333,333-

these are the 2 best choices...in free agents
Corey SeagerSS28LRLAD$13,750,000$31,319,595
Trevor StorySS29RRCOL$18,500,000$32,396,271
or trading tampa bay..for Mike Brosseau 43orBrandon Lowe 8....why would they trade these guys
cuz they have ..this guy ..............to replace..the guy they trade

Wander Franco
Wander Franco5

#1 prospect in mlb
 

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prob is..neither..lowe or brosseau..are hitting ..well right now...lowe..is prob the one that they would trade for.......and could prob get
for not too much....and just right now....
and wander is ready....he hit a hr..last night.......at durham

lowe is a Left handed..hitter...the mariners could use that..as well...lowe normal..is 270..bat ave...i would expect..that eventually
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That is where I am at. Offer a 3 year extension of say 12 million with incentives that can get him back to 17 or 18. Unless they decide they want to enter Bryant sweepstakes but I don’t think they will.
Yea Ill have to see it to believe it in terms of giving any outside free agent significant money. Outside of Kikuchi they really havent paid anyone since Dipoto has been here outside of like Juan Nicasio if that counts.

They wont even give an extra year to Kolten Wong who btw has a .306/.397/.484 triple-slash and 140 wRC+ for the Brewers
 

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well.the defence( cuz france wont cut it at 2b)..and left handed bat..are the things to look for....so in free agents..that would make corey seager
the..guy
but my money..is on this trade im looking at right now........i usually..am surprised..when jedi trades for guys...but i would not be in this case...cuz

it fits
for tampa...........................you know..tampa...always wants.prospect...prospects...and more...prospects......which...the mariners...have a few
but not ..a lot they want to give up right now

if ..they could find the right prospects..to trade..then..maybe..for the mariners
 
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