Mike Jones on Cuz

[deanpet21]

Well then get ready to accept next season w/ Cousins at the helm.

I know b/c if Danny wants it he gets it.

 

[deanpet21]

again you dodged the question would you accept a losing season ? i say if we keep building the way we will

Yes, I already said this.

 

[Sharkinva]

So Dean, Im going to play devils advocate here.

Say we sign Cousins to the proposed deal.
It doesnt hinder us from signing any one we want to sign in Free Agency
And it doesnt really hinder us in future years as far as the cap goes because we roll into FA the next five years with upwards of $40M each year....

Whats the down side??

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I know b/c if Danny wants it he gets it.

Are you more upset w/ the perceived cap hit or the fact that Cousins will make tons of money that you believe he is not entitled to at this time?

 

[deanpet21]

So Dean, Im going to play devils advocate here.

Say we sign Cousins to the proposed deal.
It doesnt hinder us from signing any one we want to sign in Free Agency
And it doesnt really hinder us in future years as far as the cap goes because we roll into FA the next five years with upwards of $40M each year....

Whats the down side??

Im sure there is more freedom in FA if we do not extend KC long term. How can you predict the Fa number for the next 5 years?

 

[deanpet21]

Are you more upset w/ the perceived cap hit or the fact that Cousins will make tons of money that you believe he is not entitled to at this time?

Both. Do you really think KC deserves this type of contract? I just do feel he is a top 5 Qb in this league. I don't like overpaying for avg to good player.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Both. Do you really think KC deserves this type of contract? I just do feel he is a top 5 Qb in this league. I don't like overpaying for avg to good player.

Beyond the possibility of this severely hurting the cap (which I don't believe to be the case) I really don't care. It doesn't hurt me so why should I? And again - these big salaries are more a matter of timing than anything else. Nobody is stating that Cousins is in the top 5 in the league at this time. It is more a matter of the circumstances & the fact that he is up for renewal now. Other QBs will make more in the years ahead & his contract then will not be near the top.

 

[deanpet21]

Beyond the possibility of this severely hurting the cap (which I don't believe to be the case) I really don't care. It doesn't hurt me so why should I? And again - these big salaries are more a matter of timing than anything else. Nobody is stating that Cousins is in the top 5 in the league at this time. It is more a matter of the circumstances & the fact that he is up for renewal now. Other QBs will make more in the years ahead & his contract then will not be near the top.

I think it will hurt our cap in the future. Just my opinion. Why are they basing KC contract on Luck? Please answer that one. Luck is way more talented and has done more with less weapons plus he has won. So how did the KC camp come up with the 80M guarantee number? I was expecting in the 50's.

 

[Breed]

I thought Luck get his 87 successful or not. Isnt that what guaranteed means?

That's what I thought as well.

Maybe the 80 mill Jones is talking about is structured the same as Luck's 87 million is structured.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think it will hurt our cap in the future. Just my opinion. Why are they basing KC contract on Luck? Please answer that one. Luck is way more talented and has done more with less weapons plus he has won. So how did the KC camp come up with the 80M guarantee number? I was expecting in the 50's.

First of all you are getting worked up over something that has not even happened & basing this off of secondhand conversation. At least wait till they actually agree on something like this. For all we know this number could get negotiated down. Again - just because one side asks for something doesn't mean it is going to occur & why shouldn't Cousins team ask for a lot?

Beyond that you state that Luck has done more. Not in the last few seasons! His stats & wins have not been as good & he has been injured (something that never happens for Cousins). I would also state that he has had a better running game during this time.

Again - who cares what they are basing this on or what they are asking. None of it means anything until they ink a deal (or don't).

 

[Sharkinva]

Im sure there is more freedom in FA if we do not extend KC long term. How can you predict the Fa number for the next 5 years?

Because 1, the cap doesnt go down, it either stays flat or increases.

2. Once a contract is done, you can already account for what it will cost in future years.

3. As it stands right now, we have

$60M in cap space for 2017
$90M for 2018
$126M for 2019

So I feel safe in saying they will structure the deal so that we have at minimum $40M a year in free cap space going into the future and even if Kirk totally flops and we have to cut him after year two, it wont preclude us from signing other players.

Romo's deal was the last cap killer out there. The Giants spent $202M in real dollars last year.. .and yet they still have $23M in cap space this year. Even the one team that is over the cap. .Dallas, will be out of the Romo hole one way or another by 2018.

The big bad cap monster is dead. And it would take a deal almost twice what Kirk would likely get to put us into that situation.

 

[deanpet21]

Because 1, the cap doesnt go down, it either stays flat or increases.

2. Once a contract is done, you can already account for what it will cost in future years.

3. As it stands right now, we have

$60M in cap space for 2017
$90M for 2018
$126M for 2019

So I feel safe in saying they will structure the deal so that we have at minimum $40M a year in free cap space going into the future and even if Kirk totally flops and we have to cut him after year two, it wont preclude us from signing other players.

Romo's deal was the last cap killer out there. The Giants spent $202M in real dollars last year.. .and yet they still have $23M in cap space this year. Even the one team that is over the cap. .Dallas, will be out of the Romo hole one way or another by 2018.

The big bad cap monster is dead. And it would take a deal almost twice what Kirk would likely get to put us into that situation.

That is amazing that guar. 80M to a player doesn't hurt the over all cap. This is getting like baseball.

 

[j_y19]

So I've just read this entire thread. Dean, are you not all there? Shark, SoCal, Dad, and others have explained it to you clearly and succinctly multiple times. Contracts are written to have the guaranteed portion front end loaded. The latter years, where the real potential cap issues exists, all have outs. What is it you don't understand about this? The numbers are all funny money and mean nothing.. Rarely does a contract go to full term. Please do some homework before you start panicking.

As far as if we lose KC, I'll say it. We are doomed for the next few years if we lose KC. I mean like 4-6 wins doomed. And its not because KC is some elite QB, he is a good QB that is still developing. Its because we will have nothing at the most important position on the team. The one position that makes or breaks a team.

 

[deanpet21]

First of all you are getting worked up over something that has not even happened & basing this off of secondhand conversation. At least wait till they actually agree on something like this. For all we know this number could get negotiated down. Again - just because one side asks for something doesn't mean it is going to occur & why shouldn't Cousins team ask for a lot?

Beyond that you state that Luck has done more. Not in the last few seasons! His stats & wins have not been as good & he has been injured (something that never happens for Cousins). I would also state that he has had a better running game during this time.

Again - who cares what they are basing this on or what they are asking. None of it means anything until they ink a deal (or don't).

Agreed we don't know what the real numbers are yet. KC has two top 5 overall picks on his oline. Plus one of the best TE's in the league and a better overall WR core. This has something to do with his success. Luck has a better running game but doesn't have the weapons or oline that does.

Of Course the KC team is going to ask for a lot b/c they have all the leverage. But the Redskins leverage is possible draft picks from the 49ers. If the 49ers had the 15th overall pick in the draft this wouldn't mean much. If Kyle didn't go to SF then you wouldn't hear a peep from me. My point is the Redskins have a decent out if they feel that they are getting taken for a big ride.

I just cant believe you guys would turn down a 1 and 3 from the 49ers this year. Assuming KC demands are in the Luck range. I was onboard with the Shark proposed deal from yesterday.

 

[j_y19]

Agreed we don't know what the real numbers are yet. KC has two top 5 overall picks on his oline. Plus one of the best TE's in the league and a better overall WR core. This has something to do with his success. Luck has a better running game but doesn't have the weapons or oline that does.

Of Course the KC team is going to ask for a lot b/c they have all the leverage. But the Redskins leverage is possible draft picks from the 49ers. If the 49ers had the 15th overall pick in the draft this wouldn't mean much. If Kyle didn't go to SF then you wouldn't hear a peep from me. My point is the Redskins have a decent out if they feel that they are getting taken for a big ride.

I just cant believe you guys would turn down a 1 and 3 from the 49ers this year. Assuming KC demands are in the Luck range. I was onboard with the Shark proposed deal from yesterday.

Dean, SF is not going to give us a 1st and a 3rd and then give $100M+ to KC. That is not going to happen.

 

[Breed]

First of all you are getting worked up over something that has not even happened & basing this off of secondhand conversation. At least wait till they actually agree on something like this. For all we know this number could get negotiated down. Again - just because one side asks for something doesn't mean it is going to occur & why shouldn't Cousins team ask for a lot?

Beyond that you state that Luck has done more. Not in the last few seasons! His stats & wins have not been as good & he has been injured (something that never happens for Cousins). I would also state that he has had a better running game during this time.

Again - who cares what they are basing this on or what they are asking. None of it means anything until they ink a deal (or don't).

The Colts have given Luck very little to work with. Ty Hilton and I guess if you wanna include Jack Doyle. Their big move to upgrade the Colts last was acquiring Frank Gore and Andre Johnson. Gore is still there, but Johnson is gone.

Colts rushing 2015 - 396 rushes 1438 yards 3.6 ypc 6 TDs
Colts rushing 2016 - 409 rushes, 1628 yards 3.9 ypc 13 TDs

Andrew Luck is the best QB among the young guns in the NFL. Had he been the Redskins starting QB for the last 2 years as Kirk was. The Redskins win 12 games last year imo.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean, SF is not going to give us a 1st and a 3rd and then give $100M+ to KC. That is not going to happen.

jy you have your opinions and I have mine. Its very possible b/c Kyle is there and he has nothing to work with. As far as the contracts are concern, we don't know how it will be worked out until he signs the deal. I know the signing bonus part accounts for a huge portion of the contract. I still cant understand that this long term deal wont handcuff in this FA or next years FA.

 

[j_y19]

jy you have your opinions and I have mine. Its very possible b/c Kyle is there and he has nothing to work with. As far as the contracts are concern, we don't know how it will be worked out until he signs the deal. I know the signing bonus part accounts for a huge portion of the contract. I still cant understand that this long term deal wont handcuff in this FA or next years FA.

Absolutely true. The difference is that your opinion appears to be based on speculation, greed and panic and ours is based on history.

 

[deanpet21]

Absolutely true. The difference is that your opinion appears to be based on speculation, greed and panic and ours is based on history.

Greed? lol. I said from the get go that KC would want to be the highest paid QB NFL history. Then some posters on here said that from interviews that he wont screw the Redskins. He will sign a fair offer. Im just basing my opinion of that proposed 80m number.

 

[deanpet21]

You know what is truly amazing to me is that his own head coach said that KC has to work on reading coverage's in the off season but we will still pay him 80M g. lol. You would think he would have that down pat by now.