Michael Porter Commits To Washington

[ericd7633]

I get what you're saying, and I think it's all a bit presumptuous. You have no idea what other teams will look like to call UW a potential frontrunner, having the best starting 5, or the best two. You haven't laid out any comparison for any of those designations for any other team in the Pac.

What if UCLA has Ball, and gets McCoy? What if Leaf is an absolute monster? What if AZ ends up with Ayton and Bamba? As far as the best starting 5, you don't even know what AZ will have, and how their guys will develop, let alone comparing UW to any other team. Same with frontrunners. You place a great deal on kids that haven't even suited up for them yet, combined with some freshmen that you think will develop (and a couple transfers?). I asked you to expand on your predictions by showing what you think other teams might have and you flat out said you don't know or didn't say.

Fultz and Porter are great recruits, but that's all they are right now. Those two, and UW have a ways to go before they can be frontrunners, let alone the best starting 5, or best two, imo. The Pac is too strong, to me, to put that declaration on two kids that haven't played a minute, a year in advance.

I said that calling that UW could be frontrunners in '17 is a bit presumptuous. That seems like a completely valid critique. You answered by saying you think they will have the best starting 5. I said that's just as difficult to predict, and you answered by saying they will be the best two. I replied that your predictions are not getting any more stable. There are just too many variables across the P12 landscape to make any of those claims, imo.

I've laid out why I think they will be there in 2017-2018. All those talented freshman will be experienced juniors, they'd have Fultz(in this hypothetical) and arguably the best incoming senior in high school this year. Throw in another top 50 recruit as well. Don't think it's a stretch in the least, and I couldn't really care if they do or not.

 

[CatsTopPac]

I've laid out why I think they will be there in 2017-2018. All those talented freshman will be experienced juniors, they'd have Fultz(in this hypothetical) and arguably the best incoming senior in high school this year. Throw in another top 50 recruit as well. Don't think it's a stretch in the least, and I couldn't really care if they do or not.

There are a few other schools that have a similar (at least) argument for being frontrunners, and have the potential to also have the best starting 5. There are also a few different pairings that could also be as good or better than yours. You address none of the above in comparison, given your comparative statements.

I keep asking you about them so that I can understand what you think they will have that you are saying will fall short of UW being there.

 

[ericd7633]

There are a few other schools that have a similar (at least) argument for being frontrunners, and have the potential to also have the best starting 5. There are also a few different pairings that could also be as good or better than yours. You address none of the above in comparison, given your comparative statements.

I keep asking you about them so that I can understand what you think they will have that you are saying will fall short of UW being there.

There is literally no combination that is better than Porter(#2 recruit) and Fultz(#5) in the recruiting rankings. Not like I'm exactly going out a limb suggesting that they'll be the best duo. Throw in another top 50 player, another 4 star recruit in 2017, along with the freshman this year that will be juniors, like I said they could be the front runners in the Pac 12.

Plus I never said other schools didn't have an argument. I just think Washington will have the best case by then. If you don't agree, I don't really care. You're also the same person who thought AZ was a 3/4 seed this past year.

 

[CatsTopPac]

There is literally no combination that is better than Porter(#2 recruit) and Fultz(#5) in the recruiting rankings. Not like I'm exactly going out a limb suggesting that they'll be the best duo. Throw in another top 50 player, another 4 star recruit in 2017, along with the freshman this year that will be juniors, like I said they could be the front runners in the Pac 12.

Plus I never said other schools didn't have an argument. I just think Washington will have the best case by then. If you don't agree, I don't really care. You're also the same person who thought AZ was a 3/4 seed this past year.

I said AZ was playing like a 3/4 seed in late Feb, back when the Coaches Poll, the AP, Pomroy, Sagarin, and BPI agreed. That's not crazy at all.

I never said you said other schools didn't have an argument. I'm just interested in what you don't see from them that you do in UW. You put forth some pretty lofty predictions and don't engage at all in any discussion about anyone else in the Pac that could very well be better.

And there are certainly combinations that are as good or better. I've listed some.

AZ- (1) Ayton and (3)Bamba or (5) Duval

UCLA (3) Ball (2016) and (5) Duval

And that's also not counting what other 5-star players can develop into, or how the rankings can shift. That's also not counting that other kids could have freshman and/or sophomore years that are better than Fultz or Porter, respectively.

As far as UW having the best starting 5, UCLA and AZ could/might very well have a starting 5 of all 5-stars with multiple top 10/5 recruits as starters, with others coming off the bench. UW doesn't even have 5 5-star recruits offered and committed by then. AZ has 5 5-star recruits on their squad this coming season, not counting the dozen they've offered next year. That all puts into question your theory that Fultz and Porter (and a top 50 kid, some 4 stars, a few freshmen who could develop, and a couple transfers) can lead UW to lead the Pac, with the best starting 5, and the best duo. I ask you about those other teams, and you have no comment.

Again, you saying all of this, to me, is similar as if you would have said that Cal, with (4) Brown and (7) Rabb, along with Wallace, Bird, and some others could have been the frontrunners, with the best starting 5, and best duo in the Pac this past year. They certainly were the highest ranked recruits, and on the same team with some other good pieces. But the Pac has a lot of other good talent, and solid coaches who can also recruit and develop talent. It's not a bad pick, Cal came in tied for 3rd with a 3 seed in the Pac tourney, but other schools had something to say about it.

Those two for UW are good recruits, and they should have UW back in the top half and pushing for '17, if they can get some other recruits, develop what they have, and Romar does a good job. But there is too much else happening in the Pac to go too much past that.

And you do care what I think or you wouldn't have responded.

 

[ericd7633]

I said AZ was playing like a 3/4 seed in late Feb, back when the Coaches Poll, the AP, Pomroy, Sagarin, and BPI agreed. That's not crazy at all.

I never said you said other schools didn't have an argument. I'm just interested in what you don't see from them that you do in UW. You put forth some pretty lofty predictions and don't engage at all in any discussion about anyone else in the Pac that could very well be better.

And there are certainly combinations that are as good or better. I've listed some.

AZ- (1) Ayton and (3)Bamba or (5) Duval

UCLA (3) Ball (2016) and (5) Duval

And that's also not counting what other 5-star players can develop into, or how the rankings can shift. That's also not counting that other kids could have freshman and/or sophomore years that are better than Fultz or Porter, respectively.

As far as UW having the best starting 5, UCLA and AZ could/might very well have a starting 5 of all 5-stars with multiple top 10/5 recruits as starters, with others coming off the bench. UW doesn't even have 5 5-star recruits offered and committed by then. AZ has 5 5-star recruits on their squad this coming season, not counting the dozen they've offered next year. That all puts into question your theory that Fultz and Porter (and a top 50 kid, some 4 stars, a few freshmen who could develop, and a couple transfers) can lead UW to lead the Pac, with the best starting 5, and the best duo. I ask you about those other teams, and you have no comment.

Again, you saying all of this, to me, is similar as if you would have said that Cal, with (4) Brown and (7) Rabb, along with Wallace, Bird, and some others could have been the frontrunners, with the best starting 5, and best duo in the Pac this past year. They certainly were the highest ranked recruits, and on the same team with some other good pieces. But the Pac has a lot of other good talent, and solid coaches who can also recruit and develop talent. It's not a bad pick, Cal came in tied for 3rd with a 3 seed in the Pac tourney, but other schools had something to say about it.

Those two for UW are good recruits, and they should have UW back in the top half and pushing for '17, if they can get some other recruits, develop what they have, and Romar does a good job. But there is too much else happening in the Pac to go too much past that.

And you do care what I think or you wouldn't have responded.

Not reading though all that bull shit. I don't care what you think because you're a fucking homer, and you're not going to change my mind.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Interesting. I guess he was a top 5 recruit in the class (3 I think). I'm no fan of left coast ball, but I'll have to tune in to a huskies game or two just to check him out.

I know it's no the same since Tark quit coaching UNLV!

 

[mcnabb7542]

Seattle puts out legit talent. Congrats to Washington. Romar seems to have a lottery pick more often than not.

To bad he can't translate that into wins on the hardwood before they leave. Talk about a guy that should've been fired years ago....

 

[jonvi]

I know it's no the same since Tark quit coaching UNLV!

I won our office pool when UNLV won their NC. I was the only one to pick them.

 

[DHoey]

Not reading though all that bull shit. I don't care what you think because you're a fucking homer, and you're not going to change my mind.

Arizona fans have always been sensitive about UW.

 

[mcnabb7542]

I won our office pool when UNLV won their NC. I was the only one to pick them.

That was one of the greatest sports stories how he took a school in the desert and turned into a national power house!

 

[ericd7633]

Arizona fans have always been sensitive about UW.

There are some AZ fans that are pretty cool...this douche is not one of them. Even his brethren think he's a dumbass.

 

[jonvi]

That was one of the greatest sports stories how he took a school in the desert and turned into a national power house!

Violations aside. @Peter Gozintite has been waiting for their return to glory for some time.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Violations aside. @Peter Gozintite has been waiting for their return to glory for some time.

You mean the personal vendetta the NC2A had against Tark!

 

[jonvi]

You mean the personal vendetta the NC2A had against Tark!

yeah ... that one.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Not reading though all that bull shit. I don't care what you think because you're a fucking homer, and you're not going to change my mind.

There are some AZ fans that are pretty cool...this douche is not one of them. Even his brethren think he's a dumbass.

I'm a fucking homer just for pointing out that its a bit presumptuous to crown UW with the best starting 5, best two players, and possible frontrunners of the Pac a year down the road, when you won't even enter into a discussion about any other Pac team that you think won't be as good? Sorry to offend your sensitivities with relevant information.

And other than DC, you'd be hard-pressed to find any other AZ fans that have a problem with me. Nothing against DC, but he never even posts on the AZ page. The "brethren" that you speak of, is one person.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Arizona fans have always been sensitive about UW.

Not always, for sure. Things got heated around a decade ago, and then again like 5-6 years ago, but that's pretty much it. I don't think it's any secret that Romar has largely underperformed with the talent he has had. Again, I was a pretty big believer in UW but Romar kept proving me wrong. I think what he did for UW has been amazing, but I think he is about as far as he's going to get. I'd like to see UW get someone in there that can take them to the next level of being a more consistent challenge at the top of the Pac, and consistently making pushes later into March. There is enough talent in the NW for it, but he's just not translating it as a team.

Not sure how sensitive that makes me. The majority of UW fans that I know feel the same way.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

You mean the personal vendetta the NC2A had against Tark!

And how our own AD couldnt stand that Tark had more control than he did, and intentionally tried to conspire with the NCAA to take Tark down. Everyone forgets the multi million dollar law suit Tark won against the NCAA.

 

[CatsTopPac]

To bad he can't translate that into wins on the hardwood before they leave. Talk about a guy that should've been fired years ago....

Shh, that's you being a sensitive homer douche apparently; at least when I bring up the same critique.

Like I mentioned above, I'd really like to see UW take the next step. I know it's tough because Romar is UW through and through. And what he has done for the program has been nothing short of tremendous. But you're right, he should have done more with what he's had. I think it's be great for the Pac if UW can get back to consistent conference and national contention. I can see UW and Oregon both providing such a great rivalry in basketball for the Pac. I think the national media would go nuts over it, and it would be a tremendous help for the Pac. I just think that UW has outgrown Romar.

 

[mcnabb7542]

And how our own AD couldnt stand that Tark had more control than he did, and intentionally tried to conspire with the NCAA to take Tark down. Everyone forgets the multi million dollar law suit Tark won against the NCAA.

 

[ericd7633]

I'm a fucking homer just for pointing out that its a bit presumptuous to crown UW with the best starting 5, best two players, and possible frontrunners of the Pac a year down the road, when you won't even enter into a discussion about any other Pac team that you think won't be as good? Sorry to offend your sensitivities with relevant information.

And other than DC, you'd be hard-pressed to find any other AZ fans that have a problem with me. Nothing against DC, but he never even posts on the AZ page. The "brethren" that you speak of, is one person.

I've had one other interaction with you this year, and you came off as a huge homer. You even prefaced it by saying, "this is probably a homer move". What the hell else am I supposed to think? You should apologize for your initial impression being that of a homer. Once again, I don't really give a shit what your opinion on this matter is. I have mine, and it's not going to change, and we'll see if it turns out to be correct or not. Last time we got into it, I believe it was me who turned out to be correct.