Miami Heat was ringless prior to the brawl in Detroit… Coincidence? Nope.

[HurricaneDij39]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

It was on that weekend in November of 2004 that David Stern decided he no longer wanted teams to win through physicality and team play, and that his preference from that point on was soft, star-oriented rosters.

The fact that the average NBA fan today considers Draymond Green as “tough” only further illustrates the point.

 

[CitySushi]

What is this rambling nonsense even about. And you still managed to bring up Draymond, lol. Dude you have a complex or something going on.

David Stern cracked down on the physical play because the brawl was bad for the league, FINANCIALLY. Stern was about maximizing the brand and you could do so if the players were actively attacking each other or even worse, paying fans. Right or wrong, he made the decision solely based upon future revenue. The game is what it is today because Stern was a master at marketing and positioning the NBA.

He didn't decide he didn't want teams to play physical anymore. He didn't want negative viewership to impact revenue. The lack of physical play became a byproduct of that decision.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

What is this rambling nonsense even about. And you still managed to bring up Draymond, lol. Dude you have a complex or something going on.

David Stern cracked down on the physical play because the brawl was bad for the league, FINANCIALLY. Stern was about maximizing the brand and you could do so if the players were actively attacking each other or even worse, paying fans. Right or wrong, he made the decision solely based upon future revenue. The game is what it is today because Stern was a master at marketing and positioning the NBA.

He didn't decide he didn't want teams to play physical anymore. He didn't want negative viewership to impact revenue. The lack of physical play became a byproduct of that decision.

Excuses excuses.

League the last 15 years has been soft as tissue paper.

Mere reminder that prior to the incident the Pacers were a model franchise for reloading. They tore down an aging roster that made the finals in 2000 and proceeded to win 61 games in 2004.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

And for those POSters that think market always mattered:

The second game of ESPN’s doubleheader the Friday night of the brawl was…

KINGS VERSUS GRIZZLIES!!!

Stern simply wasn’t going to have that any longer.

 

[msgkings322]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

It was on that weekend in November of 2004 that David Stern decided he no longer wanted teams to win through physicality and team play, and that his preference from that point on was soft, star-oriented rosters.

The fact that the average NBA fan today considers Draymond Green as “tough” only further illustrates the point.

Metta picking a team that didn't even beat the teams in their own era.

 

[msgkings322]

What is this rambling nonsense even about. And you still managed to bring up Draymond, lol. Dude you have a complex or something going on.

David Stern cracked down on the physical play because the brawl was bad for the league, FINANCIALLY. Stern was about maximizing the brand and you could do so if the players were actively attacking each other or even worse, paying fans. Right or wrong, he made the decision solely based upon future revenue. The game is what it is today because Stern was a master at marketing and positioning the NBA.

He didn't decide he didn't want teams to play physical anymore. He didn't want negative viewership to impact revenue. The lack of physical play became a byproduct of that decision.

Forget it, Jake. It's Canetown.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Forget it, Jake. It's Canetown.

Indeed it is.

Stern had picked out an isolated incident to promote his money-leeching agenda.

Not only was the league suffering for Jordan withdrawal (he was gone from the Wizards also at that point), but Shaq and Kobe had also broken up that previous summer.

No one benefited more in the years ahead than the glamour franchise in Miami.

 

[logic]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

It was on that weekend in November of 2004 that David Stern decided he no longer wanted teams to win through physicality and team play, and that his preference from that point on was soft, star-oriented rosters.

The fact that the average NBA fan today considers Draymond Green as “tough” only further illustrates the point.

What a crock. Pistons were in the 2005 Finals with what, physicality and team play. And who did they play? The Spurs, who had the most mild stars ever and highlighted team play. Overall, rules have been changed to promote offense, but pointing at this incident is just you.

 

[CitySushi]

Indeed it is.

Stern had picked out an isolated incident to promote his money-leeching agenda.

Not only was the league suffering for Jordan withdrawal (he was gone from the Wizards also at that point), but Shaq and Kobe had also broken up that previous summer.

No one benefited more in the years ahead than the glamour franchise in Miami.

Who needs lube when you have that constant stream of tears to work with.

 

[Wamu]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

It was on that weekend in November of 2004 that David Stern decided he no longer wanted teams to win through physicality and team play, and that his preference from that point on was soft, star-oriented rosters.

The fact that the average NBA fan today considers Draymond Green as “tough” only further illustrates the point.

"the 2004 Pacers team beat any team in any era."


Except for the '04 Pistons that beat them 4-2 in the ECF right?

Do you ever think before you post homeristic nonsense?


And as far as being tough. That malace at the palace. Didn't Ron Artest run into the stands to fight a fan instead of getting into with Ben Wallace?

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Who needs lube when you have that constant stream of tears to work with.

Tears go both ways, dude. So many are bothered by this post because they know it true.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

"the 2004 Pacers team beat any team in any era."


Except for the '04 Pistons that beat them 4-2 in the ECF right?

Do you ever think before you post homeristic nonsense?


And as far as being tough. That malace at the palace. Didn't Ron Artest run into the stands to fight a fan instead of getting into with Ben Wallace?

It’s a given that Artest had and still does have a level of crazy. He might not even believe his own tweet. The idea though is the Pacers was a model franchise back then overshadowed by the brawl.

 

[msgkings322]

It’s a given that Artest had and still does have a level of crazy. He might not even believe his own tweet. The idea though is the Pacers was a model franchise back then overshadowed by the brawl.

A model for mediocrity with occasional spurts of success nowhere near title contention. Congrats!

 

[Wamu]

It’s a given that Artest had and still does have a level of crazy. He might not even believe his own tweet. The idea though is the Pacers was a model franchise back then overshadowed by the brawl.

Artest went the 100% bitch-route and ran into the stands to fight a fan instead of Ben Wallace.

And you're complete outta your mind for starting this stupid thread. Blaming Stern, really? You even went outta your way to bring Draymond up.

You're one helluva character.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Indiana was ringless prior to the brawl in Detroit too.

And after.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

It was on that weekend in November of 2004 that David Stern decided he no longer wanted teams to win through physicality and team play, and that his preference from that point on was soft, star-oriented rosters.

The fact that the average NBA fan today considers Draymond Green as “tough” only further illustrates the point.

An insane person would say that.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Indiana was ringless prior to the brawl in Detroit too.

And after.

 

[Shanemansj13]

First off, Metta is crazy. Secondly, we are talking about a team that couldn’t win their conference in their era let alone a NBA title and they got baptized by Lebron for years.

 

[bksballer89]

Shoot, they had never even beaten the Pacers in a playoff series prior to that incident…

They played 1 series prior. A 42-40 Heat team with a rookie D-Wade took the big bad Pacers 6 games

 

[bksballer89]

KINGS VERSUS GRIZZLIES!!!

2 very good teams. Kings won 55 games the season prior and Griz won 50 games