Marvin on free agency

[cincygrad]

 

[Cincyfan78]

Nah, I'll be in Vegas tomorrow for the NCAA's. I'm flying out of CVG, so not going to waste my time with that. If I were flying out of Dayton, then hellz ya. LOL

 

[cincygrad]

Members of the SportsHoopla:

All acts of fisticuffs have been moved to CVG. They have more flight options (for now) for the traveler that would like to get a fight in before departure.

 

[kramer1]

Rey got served.

 

[futballiscool]

Teams low-ball players every day of the week. How is that hard for you to understand?

In the end, Joseph said the deal the Bengals made was financially a fair offer, and in some ways better than the Texans. He went with the Texans because of the chance to win. End of story. Sorry you can't seem to get that through your head.

Yes, had the bengals came in off the bat with a great number, maybe they could have signed JJ long-term and he never goes to the Texans. But, it's rare that negotiations go that way. 99% of the time, the team comes at a player from way down under, and the player is coming from way up top. You hope you can meet in the middle, but also knowing that they had Hall to fall back on if things didn't work out, the Bengals didn't feel the need to drastically overpay JJ. Oh well.

His money was well spent on players that impacted 3 positions instead of just his one.[/QUOTE]













But it wasn't an either/or situation. The Bengals has plenty of money to franchise Joseph and still spend on contract 2nd Tier guys like Lawson and Howard...

who was the last CB the caliber of Joseph (former 1st rd pick and probowl caliber) to hit FA without a yr of being franchise tagged..

they had more cap money than almost any team in the NFL and let a very good (great?) player at a premium position walk while he's still in his mid 20's. they ended up re-signing Whitworth (solid, but they already had him though his prime) and Hall (good, but inferior to Joseph imo, and now injured.)

The Joseph situation was inexcusable, to me.

 

[flamingrey]

Love how you can say you "know for sure" that he would have signed. Fact is, you don't know. Fact of the matter is, the Bengals could have potentially offered him fair money and JJ may have still wanted to test the market knowing he would be one of the top CB's out there. Banking on someone over-paying, or maybe a winning franchise, with a real shot of winning something, would come calling for him.

No one will know for sure. All we know are the facts, and they are: JJ said Bengals gave him fair offer(s). He chose Texans because he thought they were in a better position to win games/championships. The was in the interview he gave prior to the first matchup between the Texans and Bengals.

To "assume" he would have signed a year before if offered decent money is purely speculation at this point. For someone who always bitches about facts and stats...tell me where it is out there said by JJ or his agent, that he would have 100% re-signed with the bengals a year earlier if he wasn't "low-balled" as you claim. You can't.

Joseph says Bengals made “competitive offer,” but move was “no-brainer” | ProFootballTalk

7/30 Morning rundown: A draft class rarity and Joseph in Houston | Bengals Blog


Love how you want to bitch and moan against anyone who dares disagree with you. I'm not surprised, though. That's your M.O. on this board. Way to be original, and resort to lowly personal attacks when someone disagrees to infer that they are dumb, stupid, or a moron. I'm surprised you haven't resorted to the flat out name calling yet. Nicely done.

Actually I never said "know for sure". You just made that up. However, I did say if they Bengals really wanted him, they could've had him. Common sense suggests if someone is at the negotiating table, they are willing to sign. What that price is, nobody can know. But as I said, if the Bengals really wanted him, they could've had him.

Interestingly, now you're changing your story. Well it's not that interesting considering it is kind of expecting. Initially, it was, "he said the offer they made was fair, and in some ways, better than Houstons' deal. He wanted to test the market, and chose to go to a winning team." And now that you've actually looked up the "facts", it's "JJ said Bengals gave him fair offer(s)". So much for your "facts".

Btw, lol at you accusing me of speculating about the facts and then turning around and doing it yourself. Sorry to say, but that is pretty idiotic.

Your entire argument - especially your previous post - is baseless.

 

[flamingrey]

Teams low-ball players every day of the week. How is that hard for you to understand?

In the end, Joseph said the deal the Bengals made was financially a fair offer, and in some ways better than the Texans. He went with the Texans because of the chance to win. End of story. Sorry you can't seem to get that through your head.

Yes, had the bengals came in off the bat with a great number, maybe they could have signed JJ long-term and he never goes to the Texans. But, it's rare that negotiations go that way. 99% of the time, the team comes at a player from way down under, and the player is coming from way up top. You hope you can meet in the middle, but also knowing that they had Hall to fall back on if things didn't work out, the Bengals didn't feel the need to drastically overpay JJ. Oh well.

His money was well spent on players that impacted 3 positions instead of just his one.[/QUOTE]













But it wasn't an either/or situation. The Bengals has plenty of money to franchise Joseph and still spend on contract 2nd Tier guys like Lawson and Howard...

who was the last CB the caliber of Joseph (former 1st rd pick and probowl caliber) to hit FA without a yr of being franchise tagged..

they had more cap money than almost any team in the NFL and let a very good (great?) player at a premium position walk while he's still in his mid 20's. they ended up re-signing Whitworth (solid, but they already had him though his prime) and Hall (good, but inferior to Joseph imo, and now injured.)

The Joseph situation was inexcusable, to me.

You don't know what you're talking about. Even if they had franchised him, he still could've walked because it wasn't in the hands of the Bengals. Well at least according to some experts on this board.