Martinez and Abdullah both on Heisman Watch List

[BigRedMoe]

Not bleak by any means. Just that for the sake of mental health, expectations need to be more realistic.

How did you figure out I'm bat shit crazy?

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

I agree that there are things to fix. But at least we have stability and consistency in the program. Things aren't bleak.

I might debate the consistency. Maybe year to year in W/L record but game to game even half to half I have no idea what to expect.

The team that held Michigan to 166 yards should never have allowed Wisconsin to score 70 points on them.

 

[BigRedMoe]

I might debate the consistency. Maybe year to year in W/L record but game to game even half to half I have no idea what to expect.

The team that held Michigan to 166 yards should never have allowed Wisconsin to score 70 points on them.

I see what you're saying as far as inconsistency in play and wholeheartedly agree with you.
When I mentioned consistency I was speaking more to the state of the program, i.e.- Ws and Ls (Husker standard is 9+), national perception is Top 20, talent of recruits is that of a Top 20 program, etc.

 

[blkflagmafia]

The ability of this program to get back to a championship winning level rests entirely in the hands of Bo Pelini's ego in 'multiple' ways.

Whether they be conference or national championships.

I know where this is going we had a similar debate on CBS. Bo stubbornness in certain areas have hurt this team..

 

[blkflagmafia]

Don't mean to piss in anyone's cheerios, but there is a lot to fix in this program guise.

Same things we trusted to be fixed following the 2010 and 2011 seasons. They will win the typical 9-10 games to remain a step above mediocre, but until they fix what has become an unflattering identity they will not win conference or national championships.

 

[edwardwscollins]

Yay. Maybe they'll both win the September Heisman. That will make the actual winner of the Heisman that much more significant.

 

[jedburks]

I see what you're saying as far as inconsistency in play and wholeheartedly agree with you.
When I mentioned consistency I was speaking more to the state of the program, i.e.- Ws and Ls (Husker standard is 9+), national perception is Top 20, talent of recruits is that of a Top 20 program, etc.

When are certain Husker fans going to stop with this nonsense? 9 wins was a standard when we only played 11-12 games. Never losing more than 3 games. Now we play 13-14 games and lose 4 every year. At a place like Nebraska if you play more games then the standard should be raised!!!!

 

[tometom]

I don't think 9 wins is a horrible standard. Isn't the stat: only like 4 teams have 9+ wins over the past 5 years.

My biggest problem with the streak is the way Bo loses. Blowout losses from a defensive coach isn't acceptable. Losing to an inferior team isn't acceptable. turnovers and penalties galore. If in every loss we were within 7-10 points and kept our mistakes down, I could say we were beat by a better team, but when it's a game you know you could have or should have won, that's what frustrates me the most.

 

[BigRedMoe]

I don't think 9 wins is a horrible standard. Isn't the stat: only like 4 teams have 9+ wins over the past 5 years.

My biggest problem with the streak is the way Bo loses. Blowout losses from a defensive coach isn't acceptable. Losing to an inferior team isn't acceptable. turnovers and penalties galore. If in every loss we were within 7-10 points and kept our mistakes down, I could say we were beat by a better team, but when it's a game you know you could have or should have won, that's what frustrates me the most.

I agree, Jed, the standards should be raised. But 9 wins as a minimum is still an acceptable standard to me.... as long is it doesn't turn into the limit or the norm. Bo needs 11+ either this season or next season or the perception will change. And FFS, no more blowout Ls.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yeah, TO never had less than 9 wins, but had a lot of 10, 11, or even 12's in there with one or two less games.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Yeah, TO never had less than 9 wins, but had a lot of 10, 11, or even 12's in there with one or two less games.

And he didn't have the massive ass kickings (well he did have a few at the hands of Oklahoma). He also had tons of skeptics in the first 6 years... so many that he considered taking the Colorado job. I think Bo needs continued support and a couple more years and he could put something special together. Question is, can we be patient?

 

[BigRedMoe]

Yeah, TO never had less than 9 wins, but had a lot of 10, 11, or even 12's in there with one or two less games.

He never had more than 10 wins until 1982 (his 10th season), but he also never had more than 3 losses.

 

[tometom]

looking at next year's schedule, I think 9 wins is a good benchmark.
The stretch of Northwestern, @Michigan, Michigan State, @Penn State should all be very tight games. I'd have no problem losing to 3 of those teams as long as it's only by 7 points, which would leave us at 9-3.

Now don't get me wrong, I want our team to win them all, but that stretch has the best chance of hurting us next year.

 

[Red_Alert]

He never had more than 10 wins until 1982 (his 10th season), but he also never had more than 3 losses.

Right. And has been pointed out, those were maximum 12 game seasons (including the bowl), not 13 or 14 like now.

Either way, nothing says TO wouldn't have had some 4 loss seasons had he had the extra games, so it's hard to speculate. TO inherited a NC quality program, where Bo inherited one in ruins. TO had to scrap what he was doing both offensively and defensively at different times. Offensively in the late 70's/early 80's, and defensively in the late 80's/early 90's. It took a couple of years for dividends, but both paid off huge.

I can say TO's teams back then were more physical against it's competition than Bo's NU teams are against theirs. TO's players were also pretty well disciplined in the penalty and turnover depts. TO had some sort of award finalists on his teams near every year.

CFB was a completely different landscape back then though. Time will tell if Bo has what it takes to properly evaluate what could be done better, and actually make a change.

Offensively we all knew TO was going a new direction because Turner Gill didn't fit the mold. Revamping the defense was way more subtle, and it took 2-3 years for them to get all the pieces into place.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Right. And has been pointed out, those were maximum 12 game seasons (including the bowl), not 13 or 14 like now.

Either way, nothing says TO wouldn't have had some 4 loss seasons had he had the extra games, so it's hard to speculate. TO inherited a NC quality program, where Bo inherited one in ruins. TO had to scrap what he was doing both offensively and defensively at different times. Offensively in the late 70's/early 80's, and defensively in the late 80's/early 90's. It took a couple of years for dividends, but both paid off huge.

I can say TO's teams back then were more physical against it's competition than Bo's NU teams are against theirs. TO's players were also pretty well disciplined in the penalty and turnover depts. TO had some sort of award finalists on his teams near every year.

CFB was a completely different landscape back then though. Time will tell if Bo has what it takes to properly evaluate what could be done better, and actually make a change.

Offensively we all knew TO was going a new direction because Turner Gill didn't fit the mold. Revamping the defense was way more subtle, and it took 2-3 years for them to get all the pieces into place.

Good stuff there.

The lack of discipline might be the thing that bothers me the most about Bo's squads.