look at these cuts

[JDM]

That has been said a million times when dealing with the Redskins. And usually it turns out to be wrong. Sure we can bring in some one cheaper. But better is always debatable. And history has shown that more often than not the guy we bring in performs worse that the guy he replaced. And Im sorry, but replacing 4 out of the 5 starters on the O-line is a gutting. I have seen many people screaming that Rak isnt worth getting paid, Hall should not be resigned, Riley is worth no more than 3-4 million a year. I freely admit that this team is lacking talent in alot of areas. But the concept of fire every one and start from scratch will likely make us no better than the Raiders at this point. A smart man realizes his team has some weaknesses, but doesnt create more just for the sake of saying Im changing things. Sure, bring in new talent, but you dont replace a guy until you are relatively sure his replacement is actually better. Otherwise you end up over paying guys like Josh Wilson.

A gutting that needs to happen.

 

[Sharkinva]

A gutting that needs to happen.

Agreed... to a point. How ever if you are not pressed for the cap space, it makes no sense cutting these guys before camp. If we needed the cap space, you call it a business decision. Since we are not hurting, it would be nothing more than a statement move. I expect all these guys save for maybe carriker to be on roster going into OTA's and possibly training camp.

 

[JDM]

Maybe a statement is what you need.

 

[Sharkinva]

Maybe a statement is what you need.

Again I can agree to that. But you dont cut of your nose to spite your face. You hold them until camp, if they get beat out great. If not you are no worse off than you were with a top ten rushing line. You cut them to prove a point and end up having no choice but to sign guys and hope they can start and do better.

 

[JDM]

But there's a significant difference in money to spend by waiting until camp.

 

[Sharkinva]

But there's a significant difference in money to spend by waiting until camp.

Not really. These guys are already under contract. And keeping them wont negatively affect the rule of 51 during the off season. We carry them to camp, Bowen and Carriker dont have roster bonuses due, so that doesnt hurt at all. Chester and Montgomery do have roster bonuses, but unless they are set to kick in earlier than the first day of the season, again no harm there. None of them will earn the workout bonus unless they are on roster during the season. So again, no real harm in actually making the statement of no ones job is safe. I just think you make that statement in a better way by bringing in guys to compete. Not signing new guys who you basically hand the job to.

 

[Krusheasy]

But there's a significant difference in money to spend by waiting until camp.

the timing of the decision is the difficult part.

I'm a Carriker fanboy and would like to see him given an opportunity to come into camp and prove he has rehabbed and ready to contribute. He was playing the best of his career before the injury and I hope he can return to that.

But, if you wait and give Carriker an opportunity in camp you throw away any opportunity of signing a top tier FA at that position.

 

[Sharkinva]

the timing of the decision is the difficult part.

I'm a Carriker fanboy and would like to see him given an opportunity to come into camp and prove he has rehabbed and ready to contribute. He was playing the best of his career before the injury and I hope he can return to that.

But, if you wait and give Carriker an opportunity in camp you throw away any opportunity of signing a top tier FA at that position.

And I would have to ask, why do you think this is the case?? Carriker is already on the books. We could sign a top flight 3-4 DE and still have him on the books. A straight out cut of Carriker would give us an extra $3 million in cap space granted. But I dont see us signing a stud DE for $3 million. If we get to the point where we need the cap space to make other moves, I can see it happening. But carriker is a Haslett guy, I think Has will make a push to give him a shot in camp. And if he isnt ready, I think June 1st has his name all over it.

 

[j_y19]

And I would have to ask, why do you think this is the case?? Carriker is already on the books. We could sign a top flight 3-4 DE and still have him on the books. A straight out cut of Carriker would give us an extra $3 million in cap space granted. But I dont see us signing a stud DE for $3 million. If we get to the point where we need the cap space to make other moves, I can see it happening. But carriker is a Haslett guy, I think Has will make a push to give him a shot in camp. And if he isnt ready, I think June 1st has his name all over it.

We don't need to sign a stud DE. We sign Baker and he plays NT and we move Cofield to DE. Baker signs for a fraction of the money we save by cutting Carriker and Bowen.

 

[skinsdad62]

GK... any time some one makes a statement like "This guy should be cut outright and we could easily find some one better for less" to a degree this is a statement based on emotion or how one feels about a player. Simply put, for every player under contract that you cut, you need to find a replacement. Im not saying that these guys shouldnt be cut, or in the end wont or might not get cut.

What I am saying is, the team would be smarter to not make rash decisions on any of these guys (aside from maybe carriker) without having not only a plan, but an actual player in place to replace them. We are not in a position where we have GOT to offload contracts in the next two weeks in order to get under the cap. So there really is no need to rush things. the contracts in question wont Skew the rule of 51 cap figures in any way shape or form. And the only thing accomplished by cutting them now aside from the cap space that we arent desperate for, is basically a feel good move in saying, we are going to bring in different players to play these positions. But lets face it, if we dont cut Polumbus, but we sign say Roger Saffold, it serves the same purpose to say... Polumbus likely isnt starting and needs to earn his spot on the roster.

ok shark i get it , i just dont get where anyone advocates that ?

 

[skinsdad62]

And I would have to ask, why do you think this is the case?? Carriker is already on the books. We could sign a top flight 3-4 DE and still have him on the books. A straight out cut of Carriker would give us an extra $3 million in cap space granted. But I dont see us signing a stud DE for $3 million. If we get to the point where we need the cap space to make other moves, I can see it happening. But carriker is a Haslett guy, I think Has will make a push to give him a shot in camp. And if he isnt ready, I think June 1st has his name all over it.

we dont need a stud DE at 3 mil shark . we need someone who can at least get on the field

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... its February. OTAs dont start for another three months minimum. Training camp is another six months away. Aside from Carriker Im not seeing as to where these guys might not be able to give it a go. If we were pressed for the cap space, cut away. And if going into training camp with any of these guys means we cant resign Rak or Riley, hell I will make the phone call myself. But barring that, or to make some kind of pointless statement, there really is no need to rush it and start cutting these guys without at least having some sort of replacement already lined up has been most of my point. The other part being that more often than not when we start screaming player X is over paid and we could easily replace them... we usually end up doing the monkey and a football dance.