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[JonBlaze]

Even if they "fix" RG3, how much should the invest in him? He's shown no ability to last a full season. Yet I see him asking for big money if he plays well. Then what if he plays just....ok and Cousins shits the bed like he's shown he's very good at? Ugh. Why are we so cursed at this position....

 

[Sharkinva]

Even if they "fix" RG3, how much should the invest in him? He's shown no ability to last a full season. Yet I see him asking for big money if he plays well. Then what if he plays just....ok and Cousins shits the bed like he's shown he's very good at? Ugh. Why are we so cursed at this position....

The real risk here is not Cousins at all. Lets say he starts, does crappy and the team sucks again. Well we will be looking for a QB in 2016.

Flip side, lets say Griffin does average but the team as a whole finishes 7-9. We then eat the 16 million for Griffin next year and he is still only average. The only way to justify Griffin at this point is if he does above average to great. I think the front office is so dead set on proving to the world that the trade wasnt a mistake, that short of complete an utter failure by Griffin they will simply continue to drag this on no matter what the cost may be to the rest of the team.

 

[j_y19]

The real risk here is not Cousins at all. Lets say he starts, does crappy and the team sucks again. Well we will be looking for a QB in 2016.

Flip side, lets say Griffin does average but the team as a whole finishes 7-9. We then eat the 16 million for Griffin next year and he is still only average. The only way to justify Griffin at this point is if he does above average to great. I think the front office is so dead set on proving to the world that the trade wasnt a mistake, that short of complete an utter failure by Griffin they will simply continue to drag this on no matter what the cost may be to the rest of the team.

This is the worst scenario. Griffin does just well enough (or gets injured early for the year) to keep this fiasco going. They pay him his $16M and we go into next year with Griffin as a so-so oft injured QB. Hell, in this scenario, Gruden might quit. Not sure he could take another year of this crap. If this plays out, I sure as hell hope we draft a QB as his replacement next year. Wow, could you imagine the shit storm that would cause?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The real risk here is not Cousins at all. Lets say he starts, does crappy and the team sucks again. Well we will be looking for a QB in 2016.

Flip side, lets say Griffin does average but the team as a whole finishes 7-9. We then eat the 16 million for Griffin next year and he is still only average. The only way to justify Griffin at this point is if he does above average to great. I think the front office is so dead set on proving to the world that the trade wasnt a mistake, that short of complete an utter failure by Griffin they will simply continue to drag this on no matter what the cost may be to the rest of the team.

I suppose that is possible, but I don't see it with the current FO. If Snyder was completely calling the shots (like in the past) then I believe that they would have guaranteed RG3's salary for next season even if he is healthy. I truly believe that SM is considering his options in this area - as any good GM would do - & realizes that there are many ways this could unfold. A good GM won't wait until things happen - he will have multiple plans in place based on various scenarios.

The only way I see this becoming a real problem would be if Snyder reverted to his old ways which perhaps could potentially lead to a falling out with SM. If that happens - doubt it - & the Redskins appear to be going nowhere then Snyder could risk losing a huge chunk of his fan base for a while.

Oh well - no need to keep guessing on this on. Let's see what happens by mid-year & then see if we should be optimistic or continue on our annual bitchfest. Should be interesting over the next few months.

 

[j_y19]

I suppose that is possible, but I don't see it with the current FO. If Snyder was completely calling the shots (like in the past) then I believe that they would have guaranteed RG3's salary for next season even if he is healthy. I truly believe that SM is considering his options in this area - as any good GM would do - & realizes that there are many ways this could unfold. A good GM won't wait until things happen - he will have multiple plans in place based on various scenarios.

The only way I see this becoming a real problem would be if Snyder reverted to his old ways which perhaps could potentially lead to a falling out with SM. If that happens - doubt it - & the Redskins appear to be going nowhere then Snyder could risk losing a huge chunk of his fan base for a while.

Oh well - no need to keep guessing on this on. Let's see what happens by mid-year & then see if we should be optimistic or continue on our annual bitchfest. Should be interesting over the next few months.

Ah, but guessing and pontificating is all we do on this site. That's the main reason boards like this exist. So we can espouse our sane opinions while bashing the inane opinions of others!

 

[Sharkinva]

I suppose that is possible, but I don't see it with the current FO. If Snyder was completely calling the shots (like in the past) then I believe that they would have guaranteed RG3's salary for next season even if he is healthy. I truly believe that SM is considering his options in this area - as any good GM would do - & realizes that there are many ways this could unfold. A good GM won't wait until things happen - he will have multiple plans in place based on various scenarios.

The only way I see this becoming a real problem would be if Snyder reverted to his old ways which perhaps could potentially lead to a falling out with SM. If that happens - doubt it - & the Redskins appear to be going nowhere then Snyder could risk losing a huge chunk of his fan base for a while.

Oh well - no need to keep guessing on this on. Let's see what happens by mid-year & then see if we should be optimistic or continue on our annual bitchfest. Should be interesting over the next few months.

Actually the way the fifth year option works is this. If he is still on the roster at the open of the league year, the $16 million is guaranteed. If he is healthy and the team decides to cut him before the league year starts, then we owe him nothing. If on the other hand, he cant pass the league year physical due to an injury sustained this year, we are stuck with the $16 million even if we cut him before the league year starts. So basically the $16 mill is guaranteed unless we cut him before the start of the 2016 league year. And if he cant pass the physical, we eat it no matter what.

Also while i dont think Snyder is calling ALL the shots, I think the mandate to name RG3 the starter back in February came directly from him to both SM and JG. Company politics, even when a CEO has total control, some where in there the board of directors still has some sort of input. SM may be the CEO, but he still has to answer to Danny in some capacity. And a smart CEO picks his battles, else he finds himself at odds with upper management and the work force.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty.. I got to ask man... why are you so over protective of RG3?? Seriously man, the kid is a track star trying to play QB. If we were running a backyard ball option style offense, he did great at that. Only he isnt built to take the hits that this kind of game plan will bring on. He wasnt mismanaged, he isnt the victim here. The main reason it wasnt an open competition for the spot is because some one in the front office realized that an open comp could result in Griffin not starting. The reason why they are so damned pressed to get him on the field Saturday is because if Kirk or Colt managed to look good with the ones, it makes them look dumb forcing the RG3 starter agenda. And for as much as Gruden is preaching its not all about the QB, the teams actions are exactly the opposite.

All that to say, I hate to put it out there, but if Griffin and Cousins roles were reversed, would you be nearly as over protective of Cousins??

Let me answer your question with this one, why are you and others so overly protective of a dysfunctional organization? See what I did there? You call it being overly protective primarily because your focus is on the individual player, while I never loose focus of the bullshit that helped to create his dysfunction. Granted Griffin now needs to have some version of an IK Enemkpali life altering moment himself but in my opinion the same thing could have been accomplished by a solid punch to the ego by not starting him in the first place.

I know that you and others don't want to have to deal with the fact that he was mishandled from day one and that it was only recently (The hiring of SM and MC) some semblance of professionalism took place, but that too is part of the ownership and to some measure fan base dyfunction.

There is a messiah complex that has infected DC football nation! Remember the second coming of Joe Jackson Gibbs? Beyond that the hiring of this free agent or that one? Then came the once in a lifetime savior in the name Of RGIII himself, followed more recently with the hiring of SM. Guess what they all had/have in common? In every instance one guy was bought here to turn things around......one guy! Well at least SM knows that he alone won't be enough, my fear is that he'll not be given enough time to complete the job. You know how it works in DC, when one savior fails go to the next.

Make no mistake, I have not forgotten that you were practically the only voice proudly proclaiming that it was a mistake to draft him in the first, but the next voice after they actually made the deal, proclaiming that Bruce Allen must go and RGIII benched was mine. Interestingly, our reasons were/are amazingly similar!!

Maybe it's desperation, maybe delusion, but asking (hoping in the case of fans) a QB to do some things that he has never been properly trained to do is unrealistic. What is abundantly clear to me is, barring injury, Griffin will be the starting QB vs Miami on Sept. 3rd at FedEx, if current play is indicative this team is going to need all the support it can get from their twelfth man and not a crowd sitting in anticipation of the demise of one of their offensive leaders.

 

[Stymietee]

All that to say, I hate to put it out there, but if Griffin and Cousins roles were reversed, would you be nearly as over protective of Cousins??

Given the same set of circumstances that surrounded Griffin (high price paid, number one pick, lack of organizational professionalism, spotty team talent, and a player who came in talking shit (remember no pressure no diamonds...etc. etc.?) Who had no experience as a pocket passer, never read a playbook, had terrible footwork and could run and throw and little else by the name of K. Cousins...........ABSOLUTELY!!

Why?, because putting a new albeit poorly functioning steering wheel on a car that has no motor, doors, exhaust system, or chassis and expecting it to run smoothly makes no sense! !

 

[skinsdad62]

so far it seems to me that SM has been allowed to call the shots

 

[Stymietee]

I think Grudens job is on the line no matter what he does. And the only way he keeps it is either

1. Fix RG3 and the team does well.

2. RG3 is not in the lineup and the team does extremely well.

The third and only other way Gruden stays is if the Defense becomes pretty much lights out and the team does well. I think McCoy getting the starts last year was a case of severe frustration with the other two Qbs.

Gruden put himself at jeopardy when he convinced Snyder and Bruce that he could work with Griffin in order to get the job. That alone, was the publicly stated reason for his hire! Look for another episode of Snyderville..... "How to get paid for leaving"

 

[skinsdad62]

Gruden put himself at jeopardy when he convinced Snyder and Bruce that he could work with Griffin in order to get the job. That alone, was the publicly stated reason for his hire! Look for another episode of Snyderville..... "How to get paid for leaving"

name a coach looking for a job who wouldnt say "i can work with your qb "? come on

 

[Stymietee]

name a coach looking for a job who wouldnt say "i can work with your qb "? come on

List is too long to name them all, in a functioning professionlly run organization that question is not asked. More often than not they look for the best qualified candidate who has a resume' that they believe can win games, qualify for the post season and likely win SB's.

 

[Sharkinva]

List is too long to name them all, in a functioning professionlly run organization that question is not asked. More often than not they look for the best qualified candidate who has a resume' that they believe can win games, qualify for the post season and likely win SB's.

Last guy they brought in that fit this discription... they had to fire to placate the QB remember??

 

[Stymietee]

Last guy they brought in that fit this discription... they had to fire to placate the QB remember??

Same pathetically run organization!! BTW: He no longer fit that description when he was hired. Time had passed him and his small quick OL by. Remember this was his only offer of note before or since.

 

[Stymietee]

Let me answer your question with this one, why are you and others so overly protective of a dysfunctional organization? See what I did there? You call it being overly protective primarily because your focus is on the individual player, while I never loose focus of the bullshit that helped to create his dysfunction. Granted Griffin now needs to have some version of an IK Enemkpali life altering moment himself but in my opinion the same thing could have been accomplished by a solid punch to the ego by not starting him in the first place.

I know that you and others don't want to have to deal with the fact that he was mishandled from day one and that it was only recently (The hiring of SM and MC) some semblance of professionalism took place, but that too is part of the ownership and to some measure fan base dyfunction.

There is a messiah complex that has infected DC football nation! Remember the second coming of Joe Jackson Gibbs? Beyond that the hiring of this free agent or that one? Then came the once in a lifetime savior in the name Of RGIII himself, followed more recently with the hiring of SM. Guess what they all had/have in common? In every instance one guy was bought here to turn things around......one guy! Well at least SM knows that he alone won't be enough, my fear is that he'll not be given enough time to complete the job. You know how it works in DC, when one savior fails go to the next.

Make no mistake, I have not forgotten that you were practically the only voice proudly proclaiming that it was a mistake to draft him in the first, but the next voice after they actually made the deal, proclaiming that Bruce Allen must go and RGIII benched was mine. Interestingly, our reasons were/are amazingly similar!!

Maybe it's desperation, maybe delusion, but asking (hoping in the case of fans) a QB to do some things that he has never been properly trained to do is unrealistic. What is abundantly clear to me is, barring injury, Griffin will be the starting QB vs Miami on Sept. 3rd at FedEx, if current play is indicative this team is going to need all the support it can get from their twelfth man and not a crowd sitting in anticipation of the demise of one of their offensive leaders.

Sorry about the spelling error (s)

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Last guy they brought in that fit this discription... they had to fire to placate the QB remember??

Bingo. Still trying to figure out the hate for Shanny. He was the only coach to actually get production out of Griffin and when you see how poorly the coaches before him and the one after have done here under Snyder maybe, just maybe, it wasn't Shanny.

 

[j_y19]

Bingo. Still trying to figure out the hate for Shanny. He was the only coach to actually get production out of Griffin and when you see how poorly the coaches before him and the one after have done here under Snyder maybe, just maybe, it wasn't Shanny.

Shanahan is by no means innocent in his demise, but to say he can't coach anymore is also inaccurate. His scheme of smaller, nimble OL is probably outdated when it come to pass protection. Actually, Kyle probably deserves a lot of the credit. My bet is he will be a HC sooner rather than later. But as pointed out, we go through HCs like toilet paper. RG3 may well be on his 3rd HC this time next year. At some point, we need to realize that it may not be the coaching staff that is the problem.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shanahan is by no means innocent in his demise, but to say he can't coach anymore is also inaccurate. His scheme of smaller, nimble OL is probably outdated when it come to pass protection. Actually, Kyle probably deserves a lot of the credit. My bet is he will be a HC sooner rather than later. But as pointed out, we go through HCs like toilet paper. RG3 may well be on his 3rd HC this time next year. At some point, we need to realize that it may not be the coaching staff that is the problem.

I agree shanahan was not innocent in his firing. But he was not the villain some have made him out to be. And considering the fact that he and Kyle have been the only tandem to get GOOD production out of RG3, Im kind of wondering if he might secretly miss mean old mike just a little.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I agree shanahan was not innocent in his firing. But he was not the villain some have made him out to be. And considering the fact that he and Kyle have been the only tandem to get GOOD production out of RG3, Im kind of wondering if he might secretly miss mean old mike just a little.

Oh Griffin is too stubborn to admit it but it's the truth, he sucked since he got rid of them.

Sure hope Breed reads this. Every time I defend Shanny his eyes get as wide as a Little League strike zone and he just rips off some more hate.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think the only real thing you can bag shanny on is his draft picks and how he handled Rg3 after the injury