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[deanpet21]

Redskins coach Jay Gruden is adamant he won't be benching Robert Griffin III.

RGIII will start Saturday's game against the Ravens after suffering a concussion last week. Kirk Cousins will be the first man off the bench, suggesting he has a leg up on Colt McCoy for No. 2 duties. Although Griffin has never looked like a fit for Gruden's offense, he's still the only one of Washington's quarterbacks with anything resembling upside. That being said, one of Cousins and McCoy — and quite possibly both — will likely make starts this season.
Related: Colt McCoy, Kirk Cousins

Source: Washington Post


So I guess Saturday night doesn't matter? How can he say that??

 

[Sleepy T]

Of course it matters.. But who is really calling the shots here Dean.

I think Jones' comments in his mailbag is how things will play out. Gruden is going to give RG the best chance to prove his doubters (Gruden, SM, fans, media) wrong and his believers (Dan, George, and a few others) right. This will probably go up to the midpoint in the season, maybe less. He will start and play the majority of those games barring injury. If he hasnt shown any real progress he will he benched for financial reasons and moral (fan) reasons. The fans are sick and tired of the shit. If the man stinks it up, it will show in the stands and in the media. Snyder won't have a choice but fold. swallow his pompous ass pride, and chalk it up as a major bust.

 

[Stymietee]

I can't wait for the responses from KC's supporters when they read the line that says that of the three only Griffin has anything resembling an upside!!

 

[deanpet21]

VT, If Rg3 throws 3 picks Saturday night Gruden is still not going to bench him?

 

[countryroads316]

I have a feeling RG3 will look pretty solid Saturday night with Williams back and not having that bum Willie Smith in there

 

[deanpet21]

I understand that country. IF Rg3 plays well its all good until week 1 but if he bombs then there will be a lot of questions to be answered.

 

[skinsdad62]

dean , really 3 picks in a preseason game gets you benched ? wake up its just preseason

when are you going to learn you wont garner much in the preseason ? 5 yrs from now , 10 ?

you are knocking rust of your game , working on things you dont do well looking at players ,

the regular season is when things go full speed with the defense giving everything it has in the playbook .

geez just give it a rest will you ? Rg3 was handed the job . you know it, i know it , hell , the freaking sportshoopla janitor knows it now just freaking deal with it

the answers arent coming in baltimore saturday night . he will start and this franchise needs him to start so they can put this thing out to pasture

 

[Sharkinva]

VT, If Rg3 throws 3 picks Saturday night Gruden is still not going to bench him?

Right now Bob could go 0-8 with 7 INTs and he will be the day one starter. Unless he gets injured, no other QB will see the field this season.

 

[j_y19]

Right now Bob could go 0-8 with 7 INTs and he will be the day one starter. Unless he gets injured, no other QB will see the field this season.

Agree he will be game 1 starter. Disagree that no other QB will see the field. If he shows no improvement, at some point the team will want to protect that $16M investment for the next year. If/when they come to the conclusion that he cannot evolve, they will bench him.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agree he will be game 1 starter. Disagree that no other QB will see the field. If he shows no improvement, at some point the team will want to protect that $16M investment for the next year. If/when they come to the conclusion that he cannot evolve, they will bench him.

The $16 million is only at risk if he gets injured. If he stays healthy but doesnt become what they want, they can always cut him. But I dont think that would happen if he stayed healthy. My gut tells me he starts the entire season, if we finish poorly it will be Gruden that goes.

 

[j_y19]

The $16 million is only at risk if he gets injured. If he stays healthy but doesnt become what they want, they can always cut him. But I dont think that would happen if he stayed healthy. My gut tells me he starts the entire season, if we finish poorly it will be Gruden that goes.

Understood. but if his play makes it clear he isn't going to cut it, then they won't risk playing him, exposing him to injury and being on the hook for that cap hit next year. As bad as he can be, what will cripple this team next year is owing$16m to a player who doesn't play. I personally beleive that leash is short. 4-8 games. If by mid season, his play hasn't shown improvement, he will be benched.
Let's be real. What are the chances he plays an entire year without injury?

 

[Sharkinva]

Understood. but if his play makes it clear he isn't going to cut it, then they won't risk playing him, exposing him to injury and being on the hook for that cap hit next year. As bad as he can be, what will cripple this team next year is owing$16m to a player who doesn't play. I personally beleive that leash is short. 4-8 games. If by mid season, his play hasn't shown improvement, he will be benched.
Let's be real. What are the chances he plays an entire year without injury?

See here is the thing. I think the front office is so infatuated with his potential "upside" and the idea of having him as a franchise QB, that aside from injury he wont be benched. I think the option was picked up with the intention of him having the next year ( and the next coach if need be) to prove that 2012 was not the aberration but the norm. There is no doubt in the minds of some that Griffin is the victim here and he just needs the right coach and the right players around him. So I think the only leash there is would be injury. Aside from that Gruden has been mandated to make it work no matter the cost.

 

[Stymietee]

Understood. but if his play makes it clear he isn't going to cut it, then they won't risk playing him, exposing him to injury and being on the hook for that cap hit next year. As bad as he can be, what will cripple this team next year is owing$16m to a player who doesn't play. I personally beleive that leash is short. 4-8 games. If by mid season, his play hasn't shown improvement, he will be benched.
Let's be real. What are the chances he plays an entire year without injury?

I don't believe that this is an either/or thing. Isn't it possible that such a small subjective hurdle as "shows improvement" has already been attained? By most accounts his footwork, field vision, and other mechanics are better right?.......improvement shown! Oh, BTW; Every QB makes what could be considered a bad choice/ play on a great number of their plays, scoring ones excepted. You could break down film on every one of them and interject, woulda, shoulda, coulda. Let's give this QB'ing trio the same amount of time that seemingly others are getting in a clean noticeable pocket to truly see what they can do.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't believe that this is an either/or thing. Isn't it possible that such a small subjective hurdle as "shows improvement" has already been attained? By most accounts his footwork, field vision, and other mechanics are better right?.......improvement shown! Oh, BTW; Every QB makes what could be considered a bad choice/ play on a great number of their plays, scoring ones excepted. You could break down film on every one of them and interject, woulda, shoulda, coulda. Let's give this QB'ing trio the same amount of time that seemingly others are getting in a clean noticeable pocket to truly see what they can do.

Sty.. I got to ask man... why are you so over protective of RG3?? Seriously man, the kid is a track star trying to play QB. If we were running a backyard ball option style offense, he did great at that. Only he isnt built to take the hits that this kind of game plan will bring on. He wasnt mismanaged, he isnt the victim here. The main reason it wasnt an open competition for the spot is because some one in the front office realized that an open comp could result in Griffin not starting. The reason why they are so damned pressed to get him on the field Saturday is because if Kirk or Colt managed to look good with the ones, it makes them look dumb forcing the RG3 starter agenda. And for as much as Gruden is preaching its not all about the QB, the teams actions are exactly the opposite.

All that to say, I hate to put it out there, but if Griffin and Cousins roles were reversed, would you be nearly as over protective of Cousins??

 

[j_y19]

See here is the thing. I think the front office is so infatuated with his potential "upside" and the idea of having him as a franchise QB, that aside from injury he wont be benched. I think the option was picked up with the intention of him having the next year ( and the next coach if need be) to prove that 2012 was not the aberration but the norm. There is no doubt in the minds of some that Griffin is the victim here and he just needs the right coach and the right players around him. So I think the only leash there is would be injury. Aside from that Gruden has been mandated to make it work no matter the cost.

I sure hope you are wrong, but if you are right, then Gruden will not be here next year. That will make the score RG3 2, HCs 0.

 

[Sharkinva]

I sure hope you are wrong, but if you are right, then Gruden will not be here next year. That will make the score RG3 2, HCs 0.

At the end of the season I see 4 possible outcomes.

1. Griffin has improved and the team has improved dramatically. Both Griffin and Gruden are both still here.

2. Griffin gets injured, The team improves without him. Gruden keeps his job and the team rolls on with out RG3

3. Griffin stays healthy, the team doesnt Improve. Gruden gets fired and Griffin stays.

4. Griffin gets hurt, the team still struggles with Kirk/Colt. Gruden gets fired and Griffin gets a new coach and another chance.

Right now, from all that is being said and done, I think the desired outcome no matter what is for the team to keep Griffin and they are going to do what ever it takes to make it work even if it means another coaching blood bath.

 

[JonBlaze]

This is the same staff and organization that green lit starting Colt McCoy last year. Clearly it's just about keeping RG3 happy at all costs. Geez

 

[Sharkinva]

This is the same staff and organization that green lit starting Colt McCoy last year. Clearly it's just about keeping RG3 happy at all costs. Geez

JB.... when there are credible reporters coming out and saying things like Gruden has been mandated to start Griffin and make it work. When the coach says things like Kirk and Colt have done some great things, then follows that up with Griffin has done some good things, you just havent seen them. And again when credible reporters come out and say that yes the coach wishes he could simply move on from Griffin.....

Exactly how else are you supposed to see this other than its all about trying to make Griffin a success even if its at the expense of the rest of the team actually developing??

 

[JonBlaze]

I hear ya man and normally I'd be all on board. But them starting McCoy last year always just stands out to be and it made zero sense. Everything else says otherwise of course. Then there's the fact that if Gruden continues to roll out RG3 he puts his own job on the line. It's just wacky.

I'm ready to move on from all of these QBs.

 

[Sharkinva]

I hear ya man and normally I'd be all on board. But them starting McCoy last year always just stands out to be and it made zero sense. Everything else says otherwise of course. Then there's the fact that if Gruden continues to roll out RG3 he puts his own job on the line. It's just wacky.

I'm ready to move on from all of these QBs.

I think Grudens job is on the line no matter what he does. And the only way he keeps it is either

1. Fix RG3 and the team does well.

2. RG3 is not in the lineup and the team does extremely well.

The third and only other way Gruden stays is if the Defense becomes pretty much lights out and the team does well. I think McCoy getting the starts last year was a case of severe frustration with the other two Qbs.