Kurt Warner Not All RG3's Fault vs Detroit

[Breed]

Yes Breed that was his learning curve. Rg3 got his why not KC.

I'm not a Griffin supporter in any shape, form, or fashion. I believe Cousins is better suited to run the offense Gruden wants to run and had there been an open QB competition. Cousins wins hands down. That doesn't change the fact that as a starter Cousins won less games than Griffin did last year, came up with some of the worst TOs, at the worst times or just flat-out choked in crunch-time more than any QB I can remember in quite some time. And he's 1-8 as a starter with his only win coming WAY back in 2012.

That said, I still think he'd be a better option than Griffin and if nothing else. Letting Cousins start for a decent amount of games will tell us if he's a potential legit QB. Or that the Skins QB of the present and future is not on the roster at this time and its time to cut bait with the current QBs..

 

[skinsdad62]

i dont think our future qb is on the roster . so dean i dont have a dog in this fight . i will go back and say KC had his chance and he didnt take it . learning curve my ass he had played some nfl games but that doesnt mean i think Rg3 is the end all be all . so because i dont swoon to your analysis doesnt mean i favor another

 

[skinsdad62]

Keim: The coaches spend hours and hours in meetings with players and analyze, and over-analyze, game and practice tape. They know what players can do well - and what they can't do. They aren't perfect by any means, but they're paid to win and the better Griffin does, the more chance they have of job security. But there's this ridiculous notion floating around that Gruden is somehow sabotaging Griffin (not saying this is what you mean, but it is something I heard too often Friday). Griffin ran two bootlegs in the preseason opener (had been told in the past he was just average running this play; being mobile does not mean you do well all the time on the move) and they've used a lot of play-action. They did so twice Thursday, but the problem in that game was constant bad down-and-distance situations. I would do more zone read; if he even just gains five yards it can help (it's what Nick Foles used to do in Philly). What Griffin throws well are the quick passes and deep play-action (should be a bigger part of the game plan this year; would like to have seen more last season). The Redskins also likely will use more screens this year, too. Griffin had no chance on a number of throws the other night - even on quick passes. And on other ones he again failed to help himself, whether by not throwing to open targets or by moving into pressure.

here is what kiem says about play calls and conspiracies

 

[skinsdad62]

What happened on the play when Brandon Scherff got pushed back into Griffin?




“The protection is three-step drop out of shotgun,” Cooley said. “Robert takes the ball, plants, and he’s maybe got Ryan Grant [open], but Scherff’s bulled directly into him. It’s a simple matter of sliding and finding a window to throw the football. Now Scherff does get bulled back, but Scherff stays in front of him on a three-man drop protection. You have to be able to slide as a quarterback to distribute. You can’t just let pressure come into your lap. It’s a simple movement of two steps right, throw ball. If he throws the ball, we don’t even notice Scherff got bulled back into the backfield. …

here is what cooley has to say . it has validity however i am not a fan of mr divisive now but this is one of 2 plays i can say Rg3 blew it

 

[skinsdad62]

What happened on the first-down pass (a “read rail” route) that was batted down?




“Note from outside the organization, and this is a direct quote. … ‘I have never seen read rail get batted down,’ ” Cooley said. “You just find a window to throw the football. … He did see the right read, he did make a throw. The quarterback has a responsibility to find a window to distribute the football. … It’s batted, so you’re not going to downgrade him. You would like to see him move and slide to find that window. It’s a big window.”

here is another he pins on 3.

 

[skinsdad62]

What happened on Griffin’s second-to-last play, when he was sacked?




“That’s again [left tackle] Willie Smith giving up a little bit of pressure,” Cooley said, “but Robert not drifting or finding any [space], directly tucking his shoulder and trying to zip around Willie Smith and the guy getting blocked by Smith. And you think ‘Man, just drift back to the right a little bit and give yourself an opportunity to distribute to the checkdown.’ I think this is the moment in the game where more of a panic took over. And he wasgetting hit a bunch. I mean, I can understand that it will. I would just say there’s a little bit of a lack of feel for surroundings. There was room to manipulate the pocket in another way, back and drifting to the right a little bit.”

again her hits Rg3 for pocket presence and again the pictures back that up

 

[j_y19]

What happened on Griffin’s second-to-last play, when he was sacked?

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“That’s again [left tackle] Willie Smith giving up a little bit of pressure,” Cooley said, “but Robert not drifting or finding any [space], directly tucking his shoulder and trying to zip around Willie Smith and the guy getting blocked by Smith. And you think ‘Man, just drift back to the right a little bit and give yourself an opportunity to distribute to the checkdown.’ I think this is the moment in the game where more of a panic took over. And he wasgetting hit a bunch. I mean, I can understand that it will. I would just say there’s a little bit of a lack of feel for surroundings. There was room to manipulate the pocket in another way, back and drifting to the right a little bit.”

again her hits Rg3 for pocket presence and again the pictures back that up

Also, take a look at the open receivers. He steps right and he sees a wide open grant on the sideline and a wide open check down over the middle.

 

[skinsdad62]

What happened on Griffin’s last play, when he attempted to run and instead fumbled?




“Two of the three [checkdowns] were open,” Cooley said. “And Chris Thompson, directly in his vision, over the ball, was. Now that’s not going to get you a first down, but everyone as a quarterback knows you move on to another play. You punt, and you try to play offense again. … When you’re throwing these checkdowns, it has to be in this immediate timing. If you’re watching [Matthew] Stafford, you saw him hit a checkdown: immediatetiming. … This is where I have a little bit of an issue, because his instinct wasn’t to look to checkdown at all; it was to escape with his feet. And he fumbled.”

Cooley also defended some of Griffin’s choices, said one of the sacks came on a blown assignment, and said Andre Roberts should have caught that sideline pass for a first down. But the analyst didn’t leave room for alternate interpretations of what happened.

so right now we have 4 that ended up on him according to cooley who is biased i think

 

[skinsdad62]

Cooley’s Analysis Very Flawed

here is the counter to what cooley said . i remember that cat sportster would swear by cooley's analysis and now look ?

cooley is being divisive here i think first with his 3 out of 4 execs want him back and now with his analysis of Rg3 . how does he get a rapport with Rg3 after this ?

i said cooley had a few valid points but i think bullock take is more balanced

in the end if Rg3 was playing qb at a professional level we wouldnt be here

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I think both analysis have value, but I do agree Cooley has had some iffy behavior lately.

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins Rewind: Robert Griffin III vs. Lions – Preseason 2015

here are all the pass plays and in about half Rg3 had something to do with it . he was missing open wrs and stepping into pressure .

and the terms "flustered , rattled or shell shocked " shouldnt be in the conversation

its time for Rg3 to put up or shut up

yes the o/line didnt get it done but we have seen this before and it needs to get fixed or simply put he is done as a viable pro qb and he is the next vince young

 

[Breed]

The Redskins also likely will use more screens this year, too.

Sounds like code to me which really means for as long as Griffin is starting. He will be coddled and rarely if ever asked to go above and beyond basic elementary QBing 101.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sounds like code to me which really means for as long as Griffin is starting. He will be coddled and rarely if ever asked to go above and beyond basic elementary QBing 101.

i dont think he can at this point

 

[skinsdad62]

It may be August, but the Redskins are already flirting with a quarterback controversy

again this guy is a notorious hater but this is what i have seen so far , crap

 

[Sportster 72]

One thing that has been consistent about you dad since I first came online is you misquote people on a daily basis. That cat Sportster doesn't believe everything Cooley says. BUT I will say this he know a whole lot more that Chris West who[s resume is this - "I have been a Redskins fan since 1971. I love football & watch all that I can. I usually watch every NFL game eventually from start to finish. I am a 53 year old father of 2 young children. HTTR!" Now that is funny as shit, you used a football fan to argue that a professional football player doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

Ya'll have a ball. LOL

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Was that really necessary? We are here to share our opinions.

 

[skinsdad62]

One thing that has been consistent about you dad since I first came online is you misquote people on a daily basis. That cat Sportster doesn't believe everything Cooley says. BUT I will say this he know a whole lot more that Chris West who[s resume is this - "I have been a Redskins fan since 1971. I love football & watch all that I can. I usually watch every NFL game eventually from start to finish. I am a 53 year old father of 2 young children. HTTR!" Now that is funny as shit, you used a football fan to argue that a professional football player doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

Ya'll have a ball. LOL

well i am 53 years old and have 7 kids i have watched the skins since i was in a high chair (according to my mother )

i didnt misquote anyone . you said you bought into cooley's version over a guy named chris west and said several times that cooley knows more then any of us

i say that cooley has an agenda and showed it again this week and with his BS 3 out of 4 execs want me .

now we can go back and look at your posts sportster if you would like and i bet you either said things like that outright , or implied them and used his analysis to back up a position you held. i swear by john kiem and mark bullock but that doesnt mean i buy their message hook line and sinker

now are " swear by " and "believe everything " really the same thing ? i dont think so

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

What happened on the play when Brandon Scherff got pushed back into Griffin?

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“The protection is three-step drop out of shotgun,” Cooley said. “Robert takes the ball, plants, and he’s maybe got Ryan Grant [open], but Scherff’s bulled directly into him. It’s a simple matter of sliding and finding a window to throw the football. Now Scherff does get bulled back, but Scherff stays in front of him on a three-man drop protection. You have to be able to slide as a quarterback to distribute. You can’t just let pressure come into your lap. It’s a simple movement of two steps right, throw ball. If he throws the ball, we don’t even notice Scherff got bulled back into the backfield. …

here is what cooley has to say . it has validity however i am not a fan of mr divisive now but this is one of 2 plays i can say Rg3 blew it

This is the part I'm struggling with. If you play the video you will see that the defender to the right of Griffin makes a spin move just after this shot. If Griffin does in fact take 2 steps to the right as Cooley suggests he is stepping right into that other defender, something he is accused of doing too often.

As for the last play as I said before it was 3rd and 16. Passing up 3 open receivers, each for 4 yard gains on 3rd and 16, is not that big of a deal. But to listen to Cooley it was a grave mistake. Now fumbling untouched, now that was a bonehead play for sure.

And I agree with you on the 2nd to last play, he should have drifted right

 

[j_y19]

This is the part I'm struggling with. If you play the video you will see that the defender to the right of Griffin makes a spin move just after this shot. If Griffin does in fact take 2 steps to the right as Cooley suggests he is stepping right into that other defender, something he is accused of doing too often.

As for the last play as I said before it was 3rd and 16. Passing up 3 open receivers, each for 4 yard gains on 3rd and 16, is not that big of a deal. But to listen to Cooley it was a grave mistake. Now fumbling untouched, now that was a bonehead play for sure.

And I agree with you on the 2nd to last play, he should have drifted right

DGF, I think you read too mUch into the analysis of a single play and don't get that Cooley, and many others, say it's a grave mistake in that its the same pattern of mistakes that he has made the last 2 years. That play in isolation is not grave. The fall back on the same poor tendencies when pressured is grave. Contrary to the rave reviews he has been getting duRing preseason, when live ammo is fired, he reverts. That is a serious concern.

 

[j_y19]

well i am 53 years old and have 7 kids i have watched the skins since i was in a high chair (according to my mother )

i didnt misquote anyone . you said you bought into cooley's version over a guy named chris west and said several times that cooley knows more then any of us

i say that cooley has an agenda and showed it again this week and with his BS 3 out of 4 execs want me .

now we can go back and look at your posts sportster if you would like and i bet you either said things like that outright , or implied them and used his analysis to back up a position you held. i swear by john kiem and mark bullock but that doesnt mean i buy their message hook line and sinker

now are " swear by " and "believe everything " really the same thing ? i dont think so

What do you think Cooleys agenda is and why? Just curious as I also find him usually insightful but do find him a bit hyper critical of RG3. But if you listen to Brian Mitchell and doc walker, they are just as tough on Robert (Mitchell may be even tougher). It's funny that these ex players all bash him hard, what do they know or see that we don't? It's even more interesting in that all 3 work for Snyder and still openly bash him. When you have 3 ex NFL players saying he sucks and they have access to info, people, and the locker room that most don't, that tells me something.