Kurt Warner Not All RG3's Fault vs Detroit

[j_y19]

You have to give KC a shot jy19. Last year was his learning curve. Every young QB deserves a learning curve. Just b/c he is a 4th round pick he is not entitled to a learning curve.?

I agree, I'm just not ready to anoint him as better. Only that we don't know the Cousins full story yet. He may very well flop.

 

[deanpet21]

Well that's Dgfan, Shark, jy19 and myself who think KC is the better option. Who else? I know skinsdad disagrees. I should put up a poll. lol

 

[deanpet21]

Of course KC could flop but give him the chance. If he does flop you still have RG3 under contract for next year for stupid money.

 

[j_y19]

Well that's Dgfan, Shark, jy19 and myself who think KC is the better option. Who else? I know skinsdad disagrees. I should put up a poll. lol

No, I never said he was the better option, only that I don't know and would like to find out. IMO, Griffin is toast.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Because my whole point is that Thursday night showed me that Griffins problems of the past are still his problems and I'm of the belief they are insurmountable. I never said all of his hits were his fault. I continually pointed out one, the first, as an example of one that he contributed to only. But it's an example that proves, to me, that he hasn't advanced.

We are going in circles now so let's move on. We'll just disagree on that first play, a play that was first and foremost the fault of the guy I didn't want with the first pick. But that's another story.

 

[deanpet21]

so if Rg3 is toast then KC has to be the other option. Right?

 

[j_y19]

I'm advocating that, yes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah I think the worst option is Colt. We know where that train goes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Well that's Dgfan, Shark, jy19 and myself who think KC is the better option. Who else? I know skinsdad disagrees. I should put up a poll. lol

To be clear I think Kirk is the better option if the goal is to win 7 games this year instead of 5. That does not mean I think he should be the starter in the opener because this year is not about winning another 2 games in a lost season. The purpose of this year is to start the rebuild and that includes learning if Robert Griffin III has a future as this team's starter.

Give the guy a chance, that's not asking too much. He had no chance on Thursday.

 

[Breed]

And I'm sure not trying to convince you that he's the answer as I doubt it too.

Then why do you keep saying he's the best chance the Skins have to land a legit NFL caliber QB?

 

[Breed]

dp

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I have my doubts that it's Griffin. But of the 3 he has the best chance of being a really good QB down the road IMO. That does not mean I think he is their best option to win Game 1. 2 totally different things. And it does not mean I think Griffin will actually become that guy, just pretty sure he still has the most upside. IMO Kirk Cousins will be just an average starter at best. And as I keep saying you don't win consistently in this league with average starters at QB. So if my team has a guy who has a chance, even a very slim chance, to be really good I want to roll with that guy as long as I can to try to find out.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Here's Cooleys breakdown.


Excerpt

Why does it sometimes look like coaches are giving Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy a different offense to run than the one Griffin is using?

“This is the same offense,” Cooley said. “If you think that, you are wrong. You are so skewed, and so wrong. That is a fool’s trap; that is a trap for fools to believe that this is a different offense. They are notrunning a different offense, when you look through what these plays are. They’re just operated differently, simple as that.”

Why did Robert Griffin III not get as many chances to throw on the move?

“Detroit has a four-down scheme in which they play their defensive ends as wide-nine techniques,” Cooley said. “They’re not susceptible to boot easily…especially their starters. So if you want to get Robert killed, boot him into that look. You say you want to protect him? Don’t boot him. … That’s a way to get him killed, is to boot him. And if I remember correctly, he’s not the best boot quarterback. He’s more susceptible to taking hits and making decisions that you don’t love on the run. That’s just where he’s at.”

Wouldn’t any quarterback have gotten annihilated behind that offensive line?

“I’m going to tell you that it wasn’t great offensive line play, but it wasn’t like you’re going to have to get killed if you’re behind that offensive line,” Cooley said. “And when you ask the question, does this coaching staff have this [film]? Do the other players see this? Yes. And you can talk all you want, you can have whatever hype you want. But when you show up every week and play and put it on film, the people that understand the game see what you’re doing. So they doknow. Everyone knows what’s going on here.”

 

[Breed]

Here is another stat. With basically the same pass attempts, KC turned the ball over 9 times (all INTs). RG3 turned the ball over 10 times (combination of INTs and fumbles). Neither are good.

Cousins had 2 fumbles to go along with those 9 INTs, he was leading the league in turnovers during his 5 game starting stint and like most of his INTs. The fumbles were killer as he lost both deep in Redskin territory. One came against NYG, and the other against Tenn.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes Breed that was his learning curve. Rg3 got his why not KC.

 

[j_y19]

Cousins had 2 fumbles to go along with those 9 INTs, he was leading the league in turnovers during his 5 game starting stint and like most of his INTs. The fumbles were killer as he lost both deep in Redskin territory. One came against NYG, and the other against Tenn.

You're right. The stat sheet I was looking at didn't show those. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Stymietee]

Here's Cooleys breakdown.


Excerpt

Why does it sometimes look like coaches are giving Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy a different offense to run than the one Griffin is using?

“This is the same offense,” Cooley said. “If you think that, you are wrong. You are so skewed, and so wrong. That is a fool’s trap; that is a trap for fools to believe that this is a different offense. They are notrunning a different offense, when you look through what these plays are. They’re just operated differently, simple as that.”

Why did Robert Griffin III not get as many chances to throw on the move?

“Detroit has a four-down scheme in which they play their defensive ends as wide-nine techniques,” Cooley said. “They’re not susceptible to boot easily…especially their starters. So if you want to get Robert killed, boot him into that look. You say you want to protect him? Don’t boot him. … That’s a way to get him killed, is to boot him. And if I remember correctly, he’s not the best boot quarterback. He’s more susceptible to taking hits and making decisions that you don’t love on the run. That’s just where he’s at.”

Wouldn’t any quarterback have gotten annihilated behind that offensive line?

“I’m going to tell you that it wasn’t great offensive line play, but it wasn’t like you’re going to have to get killed if you’re behind that offensive line,” Cooley said. “And when you ask the question, does this coaching staff have this [film]? Do the other players see this? Yes. And you can talk all you want, you can have whatever hype you want. But when you show up every week and play and put it on film, the people that understand the game see what you’re doing. So they doknow. Everyone knows what’s going on here.”

Maybe it sounded better than the text version, for example, his justification for not using roll outs or throwing on the move was because “Detroit has a four-down scheme in which they play their defensive ends as wide-nine techniques,” Cooley said. “They’re not susceptible to boot easily…especially their starters. So if you want to get Robert killed, boot him into that look. You say you want to protect him? Don’t boot him. … That’s a way to get him killed, is to boot him.
However that's exactly what was done when KC entered the game, and he didn't get killed, remember? I guess Detroit went to a different scheme defensively when KC got in! Damn Cooley, do better some people actually rely on your nonsense!

 

[j_y19]

Maybe it sounded better than the text version, for example, his justification for not using roll outs or throwing on the move was because “Detroit has a four-down scheme in which they play their defensive ends as wide-nine techniques,” Cooley said. “They’re not susceptible to boot easily…especially their starters. So if you want to get Robert killed, boot him into that look. You say you want to protect him? Don’t boot him. … That’s a way to get him killed, is to boot him.
However that's exactly what was done when KC entered the game, and he didn't get killed, remember? I guess Detroit went to a different scheme defensively when KC got in! Damn Cooley, do better some people actually rely on your nonsense!

Or their second team didn't execute as well.

 

[Stymietee]

Or their second team didn't execute as well.

OK I'll give you that, but you've got to admit that these were either backups or future construction workers that KC faced.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm gonna need a little help on this, because it could very well be my imagination. I have been watching other preseason games, for example the current one featuring GB vs. Pittsburg and as I view them, even when there are sacks other teams seem to at least have a pocket that collapses rather than the no pocket at all that our team has shown. The real trick that my mind is playing on me comes when other teams pass the ball there seems to be time to go through progressions for their QB's, and I'm not talking about 2 or 3 seconds. I've actually been timing them Aaron Rogers just got sacked for a safety, but it took 4-5 seconds before they got to him.........Somebody help me out, please!