Kirk Cousins' future with Redskins lies in play down stretch

[deanpet21]

Call me suspicious. This tweet comes at the exact same time that this writer came out with a major story about Cousins - how convenient especially when it is from a fledgling magazine/website.

There was also no context or further explanation for the comment from Cousins' dad. Did he mean that he wouldn't sign anywhere or just in DC? Was he perhaps leaning toward SF which is no longer really an option? I see that this writer is also using this to book time on other radio & TV shows - hmm.

I am not as concerned as you are with this quote. Time will tell, but I still believe that there is a very good chance that Cousins stays in DC.

I agree. Of course there is a good chance the KC stays here. I think the #1 reason is Gruden.

 

[Sharkinva]

That is crazy to think Trib was supposed to turn around the Bears with that offense in year 1. Plus he wasn't he a day 1 starter so the team knew he was the future not a play now type player You got to be kidding me.

You have no proof that we will take a step back. Of course I know KC is doing a good job this year b/c of all the injuries. You guys think he is Jesus Christ. Give me a game this year that he just dominated excluding NO. Turning down a fair offer to leave his coach and team for money is greed. Of course KC will get paid in Fa no one is debating that.

Spin away Dean.

Fact.. you dont draft a QB at #2 unless you believe said QB is an ELITE QB, not Franchise, not might be ok in 3-4 years... thats ELITE level.

Fact.. while he wasnt a day one starter, he was still drafted under the assumption that he was an elite prospect.

Fact... while i have no proof that we will take a step back without Cousins, I do know that with RG3 and Colt McCoy, our offense was much less productive. Which bitch slaps your idea that any one could come in and do what Cousins has done in this offense.

Fact... a fair offer has never been made, so why assume that Bruce will make one now. And as Kirk will get a fair offer from more than just Washington, it aint about the money, it would be a fuck you Bruce, You had your chance and I simply dont want to work for you. But I realize saying he was greedy would make you feel better than admitting Bruce drove out a franchise QB and you cheered him on in the effort.

 

[skinsdad62]

you gotta to be kidding me. You bring up Week 1. He was bad in Week 1. If he played like a franchise QB we would of won that game. You still think KC won 10 games but he hasn't. just b/c you critique Kc you are labeled a hater. that is a joke. I just commented on what the reporters reported in the offseason. How would I have access behind close doors?

I already told you that im ok with him getting a long term deal so how does that translate to you that im a hater? doesn't make sense.

totally dodged the issue again

 

[Mitziman]

Spin away Dean.

Fact.. you dont draft a QB at #2 unless you believe said QB is an ELITE QB, not Franchise, not might be ok in 3-4 years... thats ELITE level.

Fact.. while he wasnt a day one starter, he was still drafted under the assumption that he was an elite prospect.

Fact... while i have no proof that we will take a step back without Cousins, I do know that with RG3 and Colt McCoy, our offense was much less productive. Which bitch slaps your idea that any one could come in and do what Cousins has done in this offense.

Fact... a fair offer has never been made, so why assume that Bruce will make one now. And as Kirk will get a fair offer from more than just Washington, it aint about the money, it would be a fuck you Bruce, You had your chance and I simply dont want to work for you. But I realize saying he was greedy would make you feel better than admitting Bruce drove out a franchise QB and you cheered him on in the effort.

C'mon now Shark. I agree with your RG3 assessment, but Colt is not "Fact".

Under Jay Gruden these are Colt's numbers as a Redskin:

70.5% Completion...98 for 139
1,185 yards
5 TD 3 INT
8.5 YPA
99.5 QBR

 

[j_y19]

Dean you excel at trying to drive the narrative. But reality is, Gruden is his supervisor. Plenty of folks have worked for a manager they liked, but left a crappy company. You keep trying to steer things in a fashion where if he leaves, its all about money. The reality is, Kirk is going to get paid, and paid well. Unless he throws 5 INTs per game over the next five games, he is going to make alot of money. He will basically have his choice of a few teams. The amount of money wont be that different and if he leaves for some place that did offer him more than the Redskins, it wont simply be because they offered more money. I know that fits into your view of him as a greedy QB who isnt really worth the money. But that simply isnt the case. He is going to do whats best for him, not just from a dollars stand point, but from a where do I see my career going stand point.

KC is going to make close to $200M over the life of his career. More than he will ever be able to spend. An additional $5M is chump change. He is not going to make a career decision over some team making an offer that is a few million higher. Any one that believes that is either naive or is trying to drive a narrative, as you point out.

 

[Sharkinva]

C'mon now Shark. I agree with your RG3 assessment, but Colt is not "Fact".

Under Jay Gruden these are Colt's numbers as a Redskin:

70.5% Completion...98 for 139
1,185 yards
5 TD 3 INT
8.5 YPA
99.5 QBR

So Mitz.. are you pimping that Dean Logic that the team would be in the same or better position with Colt McCoy as the starter?? I will admit Colt had better stats as a starter, but I do believe the line of logic has been the TEAM would be better without Cousins.

If any one, and I do mean anyone in the Front office or coaching staff thought this, they would have ditched Kirk faster than a girl friend who said she was pregnant, then turned out just needing to fart.

 

[Mitziman]

So Mitz.. are you pimping that Dean Logic that the team would be in the same or better position with Colt McCoy as the starter?? I will admit Colt had better stats as a starter, but I do believe the line of logic has been the TEAM would be better without Cousins.

If any one, and I do mean anyone in the Front office or coaching staff thought this, they would have ditched Kirk faster than a girl friend who said she was pregnant, then turned out just needing to fart.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just disagreeing with the statement of said fact that the offense was "much less productive" with Colt as our QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just disagreeing with the statement of said fact that the offense was "much less productive" with Colt as our QB.

But it WAS lees productive. Despite Colts stats, how many of those games did we win?? IN fact how many of those games did we score more than 20 points in a game??


Let me rephrase the question though.

In your opinion is Kirk a franchise QB
In your opinion is Kirk easily replaced??

 

[Mitziman]

But it WAS lees productive. Despite Colts stats, how many of those games did we win?? IN fact how many of those games did we score more than 20 points in a game??

I watched every game, like I'm sure you did. It wasn't because of the QB play that the Redskins team lost, or failed to score enough points.

 

[Sharkinva]

I watched every game, like I'm sure you did. It wasn't because of the QB play that the Redskins team lost, or failed to score enough points.

Slightly disagree. But reality is, Kirk IS a better QB than McCoy. Or do you disagree??

And again I will ask,

Is Kirk a Franchise QB
And do you think we could easily replace him?

 

[Rowdy]

its already been proven as soon as defense get a good read on colt and the team hes playing with those stats go to shit. Not the case with Kirk

 

[Mitziman]

Slightly disagree. But reality is, Kirk IS a better QB than McCoy. Or do you disagree??

And again I will ask,

Is Kirk a Franchise QB
And do you think we could easily replace him?

I do not disagree, KC is a much better NFL QB than McCoy
Yes, KC with the teaching of Jay Gruden has become a franchise QB
No, KC would not be easily replaced. But, not impossible with Gruden as our HC.

 

[deanpet21]

Spin away Dean.

Fact.. you dont draft a QB at #2 unless you believe said QB is an ELITE QB, not Franchise, not might be ok in 3-4 years... thats ELITE level.

Fact.. while he wasnt a day one starter, he was still drafted under the assumption that he was an elite prospect.

Fact... while i have no proof that we will take a step back without Cousins, I do know that with RG3 and Colt McCoy, our offense was much less productive. Which bitch slaps your idea that any one could come in and do what Cousins has done in this offense.

Fact... a fair offer has never been made, so why assume that Bruce will make one now. And as Kirk will get a fair offer from more than just Washington, it aint about the money, it would be a fuck you Bruce, You had your chance and I simply dont want to work for you. But I realize saying he was greedy would make you feel better than admitting Bruce drove out a franchise QB and you cheered him on in the effort.

OF course they did but the Bears don't have the team that we do. You always compare apples to oranges. KC should get a fair offer b/c he has performed with all of these injuries. Upper mgt wanted to see KC win against good teams. Both sides wanted the tag last year and you refuse to admit that. If you think he is good as gone b/c of what happened with him and Bruce in the past that is your theory. Lets see what happened in these last 5 games. IF he can carry the team to 10 wins and make the playoffs than Dan will give him the key to his fortune. I hope he does it. Its crunch time now. We cant afford to lose anymore games. YOu don't think Dan and Bruce want to see KC carry this team to the post season? OF course they do.

 

[deanpet21]

totally dodged the issue again

you dodged my question.

 

[Sharkinva]

OF course they did but the Bears don't have the team that we do. You always compare apples to oranges. KC should get a fair offer b/c he has performed with all of these injuries. Upper mgt wanted to see KC win against good teams. Both sides wanted the tag last year and you refuse to admit that. If you think he is good as gone b/c of what happened with him and Bruce in the past that is your theory. Lets see what happened in these last 5 games. IF he can carry the team to 10 wins and make the playoffs than Dan will give him the key to his fortune. I hope he does it. Its crunch time now. We cant afford to lose anymore games. YOu don't think Dan and Bruce want to see KC carry this team to the post season? OF course they do.

News flash bucky.. Dan and Bruce bet on him to fail. He HAS carried this team despite a ground game, and wit a defense that plays solid 24 out of every 30 minutes. If they need the next five games to be convinced, as Joe Gibbs pointed out, they will never really be convinced. We are currently 5-6 and even if we win out, we likely wont make the playoffs. I know you will use this as point one as to why Cousins should be let to walk if he wont take another Bruce Allen special offer.

Cousins is a Franchise QB. If you havent figured that out by now either you never will, or you just dont want to.

 

[gkekoa]

C'mon now Shark. I agree with your RG3 assessment, but Colt is not "Fact".

Under Jay Gruden these are Colt's numbers as a Redskin:

70.5% Completion...98 for 139
1,185 yards
5 TD 3 INT
8.5 YPA
99.5 QBR

In his four four starts with Gruden, he has led the team to a 1-3 record while scoring only 20, 27, 0, and 13 points.

 

[Stymietee]

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Running out of options, the Redskins will need to deploy the non-exclusive franchise tag on quarterback Kirk Cousins this offseason unless a long-term deal can be reached.

Why? Because nothing else will make sense.

As the Redskins season nears the final quarter, and thoughts about the franchise’s future come closer into view, the organization must again revisit what to do with Cousins.

For two straight years, the team used the franchise tag to retain Cousins. In 2016, it cost $20 million. In 2017, it cost $24 million.

In 2018, that figure jumps to a staggering $34 million.

The $10 million increase is significant, but compared to the other options facing the team, it’s the right path.

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Again, the Redskins should make every effort to get a long-term contract signed with Cousins, but history suggests that will be tough to complete.

Assuming a deal doesn’t get done by the late February deadline to use a tag, Washington must go with the non-exclusive franchise option.

Some will argue for the less expensive transition tag. Yes, that carries a lower price tag of nearly $29 million. That $5 million savings, however, amounts to about three percent of the projected salary cap.

Here's the quick math: This season, Cousins amounts to about 14 percent of the team's $167 million salary cap. Assume the 2018 NFL salary cap comes in around $168 million. The transition tag would eat up about 17 percent of that, the franchise tag would amount to 20 percent.

That (relatively) minor savings does not warrant losing a franchise passer, and odds are, if the Redskins use the transition tag, Cousins will leave.

The transition tag basically grants Cousins the opportunity to pursue free agency. He can talk to any NFL team he chooses, and sign an offer sheet.

The Redskins would have the chance to match any offer sheet, but two problems could arise. First, a team could front-load a contract in a manner that Washington would be unable or unwilling to match. Second, if Cousins signs elsewhere, the Redskins get no compensation.

By using the non-exclusive tag, Cousins can request permission to negotiate with other NFL teams. Should the Redskins grant permission, and a deal get reached between the QB and another franchise, then the two sides must work out compensation.

That compensation discussion begins with two first round picks. Losing a franchise passer like Cousins would never be easy, but getting a sizable package of draft picks in return would lessen the blow.

Remember, too, it’s entirely possible Cousins will not enter into talks about a multi-year contract with the Redskins. That was the route Cousins and his representatives chose during the 2017 offseason.

The quarterback still maintains all the leverage, and throughout this process has talked about his desire to get 'market value' for his services.

For Bruce Allen and the Washington brass, the priority should be simple: Sign Cousins long-term. If that doesn’t happen, give him the non-exclusive tag and see what happens.

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Yes, spending the extra $5 million guaranteed to go from the transition tag to the franchise tag could hinder the Redskins ability to bring back or sign new free agents. Of course. But it's also the only track to guarantee Cousins stays with the team, or if he leaves, the team gets compensation.

Not all free agent decisions are hits either. For example, Terrelle Pryor will cost the Redskins $6 million this season, and nobody would argue that value was comparable to losing Cousins. Plus, the salary cap will increase again next season, further driving down the overall percentage that Cousins will contribute to the entire Redskins salary base.

Also, under Allen, the Redskins rarely even use their full salary cap allotment. In 2017, the Redskins came in nearly $3 million under the cap. In 2016, the Redskins were $14 million under the cap, astonishing for a playoff contender.

The absolute worst case scenario would be to again pay Cousins for a one-year deal, and lose him to free agency in 2019. Unfortunately for Redskins fans, that worst case scenario remains very much in play.

Don't for a second think that just because the 49ers might have located their quarterback of the future in Jimmy Garoppolo that there will be less interest in Cousins on the open market. There are never enough quarterbacks in the NFL, and Cousins play in 2017 suggests he belongs in the conversation among the league's best passers. Plenty of teams will open up the bank vault for a shot at the Redskins passing yards record holder.

Working out a long-term deal with Cousins should be the goal in Washington this offseason, but the non-exclusive franchise tag should absolutely be the contingency plan

good to see the press catch up to what this board is saying for years

Good piece!!

 

[Mitziman]

In his four four starts with Gruden, he has led the team to a 1-3 record while scoring only 20, 27, 0, and 13 points.

In KC's first 5 starts with Gruden, he led the team to a 1-4 record.

 

[deanpet21]

News flash bucky.. Dan and Bruce bet on him to fail. He HAS carried this team despite a ground game, and wit a defense that plays solid 24 out of every 30 minutes. If they need the next five games to be convinced, as Joe Gibbs pointed out, they will never really be convinced. We are currently 5-6 and even if we win out, we likely wont make the playoffs. I know you will use this as point one as to why Cousins should be let to walk if he wont take another Bruce Allen special offer.

Cousins is a Franchise QB. If you havent figured that out by now either you never will, or you just dont want to.

Ladies and Gentleman its MR. Conspiracy Theory

 

[j_y19]

Ladies and Gentleman its MR. Conspiracy Theory

Apparently he isn't the only one:

The disrespect the Redskins have for Kirk Cousins continues