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[DragonfromTO]

How about the kids who get huge signing bonuses than crap out of the game after 2 years?

The players play for “free” their first few years because that is the carrot for the teams to develop the players. Teams dump huge amounts of resources into signing amateurs and building facilities to get one decent player every couple of years.

Is Mark Appel giving his money back?

I think if Mark Appel had been on the open market at the time he was drafted he'd have gotten a lot more money than he ended up getting. Are we in agreement on that?

 

[DragonfromTO]

If Yu Darvish wanted to get 30 mil per year. He shouldn't have shit the bed for a good chunk of last season, and especially in the post-season.

If Arrieta wanted to get 200 mil (absurd, if really true) he shouldn't have struggled throughout his 20's. Before breaking out at 29, only to regress continually from 2015 in the two following seasons.

I don't understand why these guys feel that they're owed money that they didn't earn.

Most MLB players (truthfully Darvish is a little different) spend their early years providing more value for their teams than they're compensated for. That's why they feel like they're "owed" when those years are finished. Like I said, I don't know that I think it's a valid complaint but I understand their argument.

 

[The Q]

I think if Mark Appel had been on the open market at the time he was drafted he'd have gotten a lot more money than he ended up getting. Are we in agreement on that?

Yeah. Probably like 20-30 mil for sure.

 

[richig07]

Most MLB players (truthfully Darvish is a little different) spend their early years providing more value for their teams than they're compensated for. That's why they feel like they're "owed" when those years are finished. Like I said, I don't know that I think it's a valid complaint but I understand their argument.

Arrieta didn't breakout until he was 28-29 years old. Very different story as well.

Just because Arrieta did great things for the Cubs in 2015. Doesn't mean that an entirely different ball club should have to pay him based on that production in 2018.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Arrieta didn't breakout until he was 28-29 years old. Very different story as well.

Just because Arrieta did great things for the Cubs in 2015. Doesn't mean that an entirely different ball club should have to pay him based on that production in 2018.

He needs to wise up and fire Boras. I'd avoid him totally if I were any owner. He needs to be rational here. He turns 32 in a month. Unless he has a robot arm put in, he'll never get the insane demands that he wants.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Arrieta didn't breakout until he was 28-29 years old. Very different story as well.

Just because Arrieta did great things for the Cubs in 2015. Doesn't mean that an entirely different ball club should have to pay him based on that production in 2018.

The difference I'm talking about isn't really about when he "broke out" though. Arrieta was subject to the draft, was drafted and spent years in the minors here in North America. Darvish's path was nothing like that.

Arrieta didn't break out until he was 28 but he also never made more than league minimum until he was 29.

 

[calsnowskier]

Making league minimum for 6 years or so is still approx $3M. Similar to winning a small lottery.

He since had 1.5 years of epic performance, but has completely shit the bed since, and he expects some sucker team to pay him $100M+??

Gtfo.

 

[The Q]

Making league minimum for 6 years or so is still approx $3M. Similar to winning a small lottery.

He since had 1.5 years of epic performance, but has completely shit the bed since, and he expects some sucker team to pay him $100M+??

Gtfo.

His last 3 years have been worth 15.5 WAR.

He dropped off last year for sure. I think his ZIPS projection over 5 years is still pretty solid though.

Projecting the biggest free-agent deals: Paying for power and pitching

Yup. 5 years 131M.

I probably wouldnt' go quite that far. But 4/100 is reasonable.

 

[calsnowskier]

His last 3 years have been worth 15.5 WAR.

He dropped off last year for sure. I think his ZIPS projection over 5 years is still pretty solid though.

Projecting the biggest free-agent deals: Paying for power and pitching

Yup. 5 years 131M.

I probably wouldnt' go quite that far. But 4/100 is reasonable.

According to BBREF, he had 15 WAR in the last 3 seasons. Impressive.

According to BBREF, he had 5.2 WAR in the last 2 seasons. Much less impressive.

According to BBREF, he had 1.9 WAR last season. Decent, but nothing of note.

If YOU want to give him a 25M AAV deal, you go right ahead.

 

[The Q]

According to BBREF, he had 15 WAR in the last 3 seasons. Impressive.

According to BBREF, he had 5.2 WAR in the last 2 seasons. Much less impressive.

According to BBREF, he had 1.9 WAR last season. Decent, but nothing of note.

If YOU want to give him a 25M AAV deal, you go right ahead.

I'm not. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be crazy in theory.

The questions for me are about if he'd stay healthy.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Making league minimum for 6 years or so is still approx $3M. Similar to winning a small lottery.

He since had 1.5 years of epic performance, but has completely shit the bed since, and he expects some sucker team to pay him $100M+??

Gtfo.

That's not really the point here though. He was earning the absolute minimum that the team could pay him. Did that reflect what the team actually thought of his role and his value? Maybe, but that's a tough argument to make I think.

 

[calsnowskier]

That's not really the point here though. He was earning the absolute minimum that the team could pay him. Did that reflect what the team actually thought of his role and his value? Maybe, but that's a tough argument to make I think.

Again...

The first few years of a players MLB career are the carrot for the teams to get back some of their development investment. Some players make out like bandits during that period (most, even, as most never become productive players, but still cash the checks) while others are the reward for the team.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

"We're mad we're not being overpaid by our employer, and that there is statistical evidence to show that's not an irrational decision by GM's"

SILENCE! Do you know what it's like only having 1 Jet and 1 Yacht ? do you know the stress if causes knowing one could break down and it might take a little while to fix with no back-up.... You people are so selfish!

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This is just Boras'bullshit coming back to haunt his clients. The non-Boras clients are getting paid just fine.

 

[navamind]

Only $126M (minus incentives) for Darvish? Tragic.

 

[calsnowskier]

Only $126M (minus incentives) for Darvish? Tragic.

We should probably start a gofundme page for him. I don’t want him going hungery.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I don't know if anyone is offering Arrieta 6 years (and why would you?). Of all the free agents I think he winds up getting the shaft more than any other.

 

[DefCONNOne]

I think if Mark Appel had been on the open market at the time he was drafted he'd have gotten a lot more money than he ended up getting. Are we in agreement on that?

I think you avoided answering the question. Are we in agreement on that?