Kaepernick looking for $18 million per year

[MHSL82]

I actually respect athletes more when they don't have the cameras around for every good thing they do. To me that is just a player trying to paint themselves in a better picture than they actually are. Guys who just go do great things with no expectation of good publicity show they actually care about what they are doing and would do it regardless of whether they were famous or not.

Him taking pictures of his shoes is not that big of a deal to me. We all have things that we like. Heck when I got my new Xbox One first thing I did was take a picture of it and send it to some friends.

Kaepernick is not ok because of this. You're just as bad as Kaepernick. (Sarcasm)

 

[MHSL82]

Those talking about endorsement deals and how those will make up the difference and that is where the big bucks are for athletes might want to do a little research. Peyton is the top earner for the NFL in that category and he makes $13-15 million a year. So the big bucks for these top athletes comes from salary in the NFL not endorsements. You can't count on Wilson just thinking if I take a lower salary in the NFL I will make up for it in endorsements. You have to think Wilson will be lucky to get what Drew Brees gets in endorsements and that won't even happen for a few years but that is around $8 million a year. Heck right now Wilson makes under $3 million a year in endorsements so again you can't count on that side of it to help Wilson want to take less in his overall salary.

Everybody hopes that their player will take less than market value. The truth is it rarely rarely happens. There have been some very nice guys in the NFL who cared a great deal about winning like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees yet they are still two of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean those are two of the nicest guys in the NFL that most everybody loves unless you hate that they win so much. They give of their time and money to many charities across the country. Yet when it comes to contract time they still expect to be paid within market value.

To those who want to point towards Tom Brady and what he did you have to remember 1) Almost the whole deal was guaranteed which is the number if athletes really took the time to look that mattered in a contract. 2) His wife made $45 million last year so Tom taking a few million off from his is not going to bankrupt him and his family.

I think that if one could separate money from message, you'd get smaller deals by some every once in a while (but the norm by and large would be to max out). Maybe Brees would take less if taking less didn't mean that he's lesser than Brady, Manning, etc. Probably not, but what the contract "means" means something in all this. Heck, that's the reason why Cutler got his money - it was a message that this McCown thing is past and we really like you (maybe Cutler heard about them preferring McCown and moving on and got butt hurt?) - makeup and message. (Of course, the contract isn't going to be guaranteed more than they are willing, but the total will be a message.)

 

[WizardHawk]

Not really. Peyton makes more in endorsements than salary. I don't think another NFL player comes that close. The high end after peyton is maybe $15 mil, probably a little less.

That is true, but Wilson is shaping up as the next Peyton in terms of league marketing. He isn't Peyton on the field by any means, but many feel he is the next guy who will cash in big in endorsements. First read that in Forbes.

Seahawks QB Russell Wilson Is A Super Bowl Champion And A Future $100 Million Man - Forbes

He already is a bigger household name than you likely think. He had the second most jerseys sold last year behind Peyton and many of them were outside of our local market. The league pays attention to that stuff.

Too early to know if he can keep on building it, but his stock is already high and continuing to grow. He is tracking to make a lot more outside of football than in it.

 

[RegentDenali]

Per Jason La Canfora at CBSsports:

Colin Kaepernick won't be signing any contract for $18 million a season. Not for $18.5 million per year, either. The idea he would be happy to land a deal in the range of what Tony Romo or Jay Cutler is earning is a complete and total misnomer. Ain't happenin'.

So I'll let you in on a little secret: The 49ers already know this. Unequivocally. Their negotiations with their young franchise quarterback are still in their infancy, but they are quite aware there aren't any bargain deals to be had here. Far from it. Talks with Kaepernick, if they truly get off the ground, will begin at $20 million a year.

As I first reported back in January, Kaepernick is perfectly willing to gamble on himself, a la Joe Flacco, and will play out his rookie contract if need be (he is signed through 2014). He won't be doing any "bridge contracts" or "band-aid deals," and I can tell you that an extension in the range of the Romos and Cutlers and Staffords simply is not happening.

 

[cdumler7]

That is true, but Wilson is shaping up as the next Peyton in terms of league marketing. He isn't Peyton on the field by any means, but many feel he is the next guy who will cash in big in endorsements. First read that in Forbes.

Seahawks QB Russell Wilson Is A Super Bowl Champion And A Future $100 Million Man - Forbes

He already is a bigger household name than you likely think. He had the second most jerseys sold last year behind Peyton and many of them were outside of our local market. The league pays attention to that stuff.

Too early to know if he can keep on building it, but his stock is already high and continuing to grow. He is tracking to make a lot more outside of football than in it.

You realize a ton of that article is talking about his contract in the NFL not stuff off the field right? That $100 million man is just his contract for the NFL alone. Yes he is marketable and will make plenty that way but right now he is closer to a Drew Brees than a Peyton Manning. He has a long way to go to get to that point. Peyton took 15 years to get to that point. Brees is at the $7 million a year mark right now in endorsements. Wilson should be pretty happy to get that. So again his $100 million comes from his contract not endorsements.

 

[WizardHawk]

You realize a ton of that article is talking about his contract in the NFL not stuff off the field right? That $100 million man is just his contract for the NFL alone. Yes he is marketable and will make plenty that way but right now he is closer to a Drew Brees than a Peyton Manning. He has a long way to go to get to that point. Peyton took 15 years to get to that point. Brees is at the $7 million a year mark right now in endorsements. Wilson should be pretty happy to get that. So again his $100 million comes from his contract not endorsements.

First of all, no shit. Yes I can read. I didn't post that link to say anything about the expected $100m plus it was talking about, but rather the part I talked about which was his potential stock for marketing. I don't expect him to make over $5m this year in endorsements, but won't rule it out. The point was his future is tracking way up for not only his earning potential as a SB winning starting QB, but also in that arena.

Part of the reason Peyton makes so much in that capacity is he is a likable guy and a great face for not only the NFL, but any brand willing to use him. He was that before he actually won a SB. Wilson has that kind of impact as well. Brands are going to easily accept his demeanor and likability as much as his recognition for what he does on the field. He already has contracts with Nike and a few others and will be seeing a lot more of it now that he has broken through nationally.

I don't expect him to give up a lot of money to stay in Seattle, but I also don't expect him to be the same kind of douchewaffle Kaepernick is going to be either. I think he will try to get a deal done to stay here next off season and won't push it to get the max dollar in FA. Kaep has no loyalty to his team at all and is going to force them to wholesale dump their desires for SB wins to keep him.

 

[JDM]

That is true, but Wilson is shaping up as the next Peyton in terms of league marketing. He isn't Peyton on the field by any means, but many feel he is the next guy who will cash in big in endorsements. First read that in Forbes.

Seahawks QB Russell Wilson Is A Super Bowl Champion And A Future $100 Million Man - Forbes

He already is a bigger household name than you likely think. He had the second most jerseys sold last year behind Peyton and many of them were outside of our local market. The league pays attention to that stuff.

Too early to know if he can keep on building it, but his stock is already high and continuing to grow. He is tracking to make a lot more outside of football than in it.

There is very little chance he comes close to Peyton in endorsements any time soon. There is little to no chance that he makes more in endorsements before his career is up than he does salary. If he makes half of his salary in endorsement deals over his career he will be extremely lucky. Your expectations aren't reasonable in any way.

 

[cdumler7]

First of all, no shit. Yes I can read. I didn't post that link to say anything about the expected $100m plus it was talking about, but rather the part I talked about which was his potential stock for marketing. I don't expect him to make over $5m this year in endorsements, but won't rule it out. The point was his future is tracking way up for not only his earning potential as a SB winning starting QB, but also in that arena.

Part of the reason Peyton makes so much in that capacity is he is a likable guy and a great face for not only the NFL, but any brand willing to use him. He was that before he actually won a SB. Wilson has that kind of impact as well. Brands are going to easily accept his demeanor and likability as much as his recognition for what he does on the field. He already has contracts with Nike and a few others and will be seeing a lot more of it now that he has broken through nationally.

I don't expect him to give up a lot of money to stay in Seattle, but I also don't expect him to be the same kind of douchewaffle Kaepernick is going to be either. I think he will try to get a deal done to stay here next off season and won't push it to get the max dollar in FA. Kaep has no loyalty to his team at all and is going to force them to wholesale dump their desires for SB wins to keep him.

You are the one who said his endorsements would far outweigh his contract so you saying no shit was definitely uncalled for because until I pointed that none of the top guys make more in endorsements you actually believed that to be true. I figured I should explain that little detail so you can stop living in ignorance

 

[WizardHawk]

You are the one who said his endorsements would far outweigh his contract so you saying no shit was definitely uncalled for because until I pointed that none of the top guys make more in endorsements you actually believed that to be true. I figured I should explain that little detail so you can stop living in ignorance

Um no, I guess reading isn't your bag. There is someone making more than their salary and I said in my opinion he is tracking to reach those levels. The fact that you and JDM don't agree doesn't make it untrue. Sorry.

Next time try understanding the written word before you make a fool of yourself again.

 

[Logicallylethal]

In my opinion...Kaepernick deserves a contract somewhere in the Eli Manning range (7 years 106 mil) which averages out to about 15 mil a year...and that's being kind considering Eli has two rings

However...bad gms throwing out stupid contracts (Flacco, Romo, Cutler) set a precedent for agents as negotiation leverage and because of that Kaepernick is going to get at least 18

But think about it...

Who are the REAL top quarterbacks in the game? Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, etc.

Rodgers = 22 mil
Brees = 20 mil
Peyton = 19 mil
Rivers = 15 mil
Ben = 12.75 mil
Brady = 11.5 mil

Those should be the bench marks for qb negotiation. Not Flacco 20 mil, Cutler 18 mil or Romo 18 mil.

But that's the thing that sucks...all it takes is one or two dumb gms to throw 20 mil at a QB that doesn't deserve it and it drives up the price for everyone else

 

[Logicallylethal]

As for Russell's potential contract there's going to be a lot of factors that play into how much he'll make

1) What will the cap be when he gets extended (will it be at 140, 150 or even higher)
2) How much will guys like Kaepernick and Cam get in their contract extensions (QBs more similar to Russell than a Joe Flacco or Jay Cutler)
3) What is Russell's mind set and priorities for his career (does he want to cash in or does he prioritize winning...or something somewhere in the middle)


It's hard to predict a final number without knowing all three factors but let's assume Kap and Cam get 18 a year.

If Russell wanted to...he could point to his numbers (100 + qb rating) and superbowl ring and say hey whatever they get I deserve more. And in this scenario he gets 22-23 mil a year

However...most of us Seahawk fans believe (or hope) that Russell values winning over simply getting the most money possible. And in this scenario Russell maybe takes 19-20 mil instead of 22-23 mil. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to take 17-18 mil.

Cause when you think about it...what is 2-3 mil a year to someone who is going to make upwards of 100 mil in their first big contract? Also...what is more important...2-3 mil a year or your legacy in the nfl? If Russell takes the extra 2-3 mil maybe we can't afford to resign Russell Okung. And now Russell is slightly richer but no longer has his left tackle to protect him.

 

[cdumler7]

Um no, I guess reading isn't your bag. There is someone making more than their salary and I said in my opinion he is tracking to reach those levels. The fact that you and JDM don't agree doesn't make it untrue. Sorry.

Next time try understanding the written word before you make a fool of yourself again.

So I call you on your shit and instead of owning up to it you call me an idiot. Hmmm. I guess whatever helps you sleep at night. These are your exact words though...

"Top flight athletes make far more money than their team contracts. He is already becoming a hot commodity and his stock is only rising. He will make a fortune off of advertising and it will far surpass his salary with the team."

You I guess could be considered half right. There are some top flight athletes that make more but they are not football players. Guys like Tiger Woods and Lebron James do make a ton more in endorsements but again NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. When I said none of the top guys make more than their contracts I'm sorry but I don't count Russell Wilson among that group yet. Yes I understand he makes more in endorsements right now but that really isn't hard considering the pennies on the dollar that he is making for his production. Won't be long until that just isn't the case. Again I don't consider Russell Wilson among that group yet of top guys at his position. I would put him probably top 10 right now but to me the top guys are top 5. Give him another year or two and maybe he can reach that group. So maybe you should work on your reading skills before you accuse me since I did say NONE OF THE TOP GUYS MAKE MORE IN ENDORSEMENTS. You see that key word there of "TOP."

So again you are the one that started with idiotic comments saying his endorsements would far outweigh what he would make with the team. Well unless something crazy happens over the 15 years with NFL players just skyrocketing in endorsement deals it just isn't going to happen. Peyton has been a house hold name for 15 years, has a ton of companies after him, and is one of the most likable players in the game yet still doesn't make that much.

 

[JDM]

In my opinion...Kaepernick deserves a contract somewhere in the Eli Manning range (7 years 106 mil) which averages out to about 15 mil a year...and that's being kind considering Eli has two rings

However...bad gms throwing out stupid contracts (Flacco, Romo, Cutler) set a precedent for agents as negotiation leverage and because of that Kaepernick is going to get at least 18

But think about it...

Who are the REAL top quarterbacks in the game? Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, etc.

Rodgers = 22 mil
Brees = 20 mil
Peyton = 19 mil
Rivers = 15 mil
Ben = 12.75 mil
Brady = 11.5 mil

Those should be the bench marks for qb negotiation. Not Flacco 20 mil, Cutler 18 mil or Romo 18 mil.

But that's the thing that sucks...all it takes is one or two dumb gms to throw 20 mil at a QB that doesn't deserve it and it drives up the price for everyone else

Ben?


Brady doesn't count because his deal is severely discounted. Not many people are married to a super model wife that makes more than they do, and he's already made his money, so asking a young guy who's made a couple million to live up to that discount is just not reasonable.

 

[cdumler7]

I would also say Rivers signed his contract back in 2009 so at the time his contract was top 5 for the position where now it looks like a discount. Kind of how it works in the NFL. Players sign contracts that at the time are top 5 but by the time the contract is up they are middle of the pack. Same thing with Big Ben in he signed his in 2008 when the contract would have been top 5 in the NFL. So if a guy is considered a franchise guy then today's number is closer to $18-25 million than what those guys signed for.


Also like JDM said Brady is the exception not the rule for most players. Don't know many other guys in the NFL that have a wife making $45 million a year.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Man it seems like just yesterday seahawks fans didnt exist. The one good thing about lions fans is that they stick through thick and thin, and the lions always suck.

 

[WizardHawk]

As for Russell's potential contract there's going to be a lot of factors that play into how much he'll make

1) What will the cap be when he gets extended (will it be at 140, 150 or even higher)
2) How much will guys like Kaepernick and Cam get in their contract extensions (QBs more similar to Russell than a Joe Flacco or Jay Cutler)
3) What is Russell's mind set and priorities for his career (does he want to cash in or does he prioritize winning...or something somewhere in the middle)


It's hard to predict a final number without knowing all three factors but let's assume Kap and Cam get 18 a year.

If Russell wanted to...he could point to his numbers (100 + qb rating) and superbowl ring and say hey whatever they get I deserve more. And in this scenario he gets 22-23 mil a year

However...most of us Seahawk fans believe (or hope) that Russell values winning over simply getting the most money possible. And in this scenario Russell maybe takes 19-20 mil instead of 22-23 mil. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to take 17-18 mil.

Cause when you think about it...what is 2-3 mil a year to someone who is going to make upwards of 100 mil in their first big contract? Also...what is more important...2-3 mil a year or your legacy in the nfl? If Russell takes the extra 2-3 mil maybe we can't afford to resign Russell Okung. And now Russell is slightly richer but no longer has his left tackle to protect him.

A lot will hinge on this next season for Wilson. If he continues to play well and keeps developing and the team makes another deep playoff run he will be able to command whatever he wants. The market will be set by the Kaepernick deal so those hoping he manages to get SF to pay him $22m so it breaks their bank and they have to reduce their depth accordingly might want to reconsider their view if you don't want to see Seattle going down the same route.

I think we also all agree Wilson isn't going to play this out like Kaepernick. I can't see him publicly pushing the organization. I do think he will get a payday, but we do not know what his priorities will be and how high it ends up being.

For years we all wished we would find that franchise QB so we didn't have to suffer watching more idiots out there throwing pick after pick. Now that we got what we wished for we get the other side of that in less depth and more rookies on the field because of the cap hit.

I will still be surprised if he ends up with more than $20m even if Kaepernick goes that high or more.

So I call you on your shit and instead of owning up to it you call me an idiot. Hmmm. I guess whatever helps you sleep at night. These are your exact words though...

"Top flight athletes make far more money than their team contracts. He is already becoming a hot commodity and his stock is only rising. He will make a fortune off of advertising and it will far surpass his salary with the team."

You I guess could be considered half right. There are some top flight athletes that make more but they are not football players. Guys like Tiger Woods and Lebron James do make a ton more in endorsements but again NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. When I said none of the top guys make more than their contracts I'm sorry but I don't count Russell Wilson among that group yet. Yes I understand he makes more in endorsements right now but that really isn't hard considering the pennies on the dollar that he is making for his production. Won't be long until that just isn't the case. Again I don't consider Russell Wilson among that group yet of top guys at his position. I would put him probably top 10 right now but to me the top guys are top 5. Give him another year or two and maybe he can reach that group. So maybe you should work on your reading skills before you accuse me since I did say NONE OF THE TOP GUYS MAKE MORE IN ENDORSEMENTS. You see that key word there of "TOP."

So again you are the one that started with idiotic comments saying his endorsements would far outweigh what he would make with the team. Well unless something crazy happens over the 15 years with NFL players just skyrocketing in endorsement deals it just isn't going to happen. Peyton has been a house hold name for 15 years, has a ton of companies after him, and is one of the most likable players in the game yet still doesn't make that much.

Right, so I'm supposed to apologize to you for having a different view of things. You aren't dating Angel are you? Sounds eerily familiar.

I do believe he can make a fair amount more off the field than on it. Don't agree? Great, but have to own up to something else? Are you really that fucking retarded?

It does amuse me that people like you and JDM insist on telling everyone what is, and is not possible despite all of the times the impossible actually happens. Kind of like those who flat out insulted any Seahawk fan that dared to believe they were going to destroy the Broncos. Remember them? They were called idiots and far worse. Let's see your preseason predictions and every other prediction you have ever made and see how accurate you really are. It's pretty easy to sit behind a computer screen and always state the status quo is the law of the land and make up excuses when something outside the lines actually does happen.

The difference between those who engage in that and I are I'm not saying Wilson's marketing expectations are a lock, I said I see it going that way. I have an opinion where you and your ilk offer up nothing but the pretense of facts that simply aren't.

Now, long before this latest rant of yours I clarified my position and said I see Wilson continuing to track forward and showed at least one link to an article that discussed that very thing. Of course you only keyed on the parts in it that discussed his earning potential with the league, not the rest of it. You and your ilk are good at that sort of distraction to avoid the parts you don't like kind of arguments. I gave you all of the tools to see what my OPINION was long before that rant so that's why I question your reading comprehension. If you'd like for me to give you the more see-spot-run version I'll see what I can do.

It just came out in the news up here yesterday that Wilson is number one in jersey sales between April first of LAST year through now. That means his stock with fans has actually been on the uptick even before he became a SB winning QB. Don't you think it is going to go up sharply from there? If he has already passed up Peyton in league gear marketing why is it such a stretch to see him passing up the Brees/Rodgers/Eli/Etc tier of marketing money? Of course there is no guarantee he continues to track at that pace. Maybe another young QB has a crazy year and casts a shadow over him. Maybe he gets injured and drops back. Who knows, but right now he is red hot and on every talk show in the nation. His stock is high and growing higher.

So now your argument is Peyton is the final word in earning potential in marketing and he only barely made more than his salary so Wilson cannot possibly do more. That sir is another opinion, not a fact. You and JDM can claim otherwise and that won't make it true. Peyton is the last of the great endorsers from the last era. This is the new age of media and I see Wilson having a lot of potential to surpass those before him because of it. We already know you don't agree so why not just say so instead of creating bullshit? We differ in opinion, not fact. You can debate opinions, but you can't disprove them. You can only disprove facts. I have not given you any fact that is wrong, or at least that you have shown to be so.

 

[BoBlake]

Man it seems like just yesterday seahawks fans didnt exist. The one good thing about lions fans is that they stick through thick and thin, and the lions always suck.

Really, I haven't heard from many lions fans all year. I live in Chicago now (pretty close to Detroit) and I don't even know a Lions fan. I thought they were like Unicorns.

 

[cdumler7]

You keep missing simple things in your argument. First off Peyton does NOT make more in endorsements than he does in his NFL contract. Peyton last year made $12 million in endorsements where his contract had him making $18 million. So once again none of the top guys (again not including Wilson in that category just yet) make more in endorsements than they do in their NFL contracts. Heck Tom Brady who took a very team friendly deal doesn't make more as he makes only $7 million in endorsements. Heck Peyton is the only guy that makes over $10 million in endorsements that plays in the NFL. So to get to that level is very hard. You have to be the most marketable plus top guy at your position to get to that level. Not saying Wilson can't get to that level just saying it is rare.


Now yes things can change where NFL players could start making more in endorsements but 40 years of history show NFL players just do not get those top tier endorsement deals. Partly I think that is because they have such a short shelf life for a career. This is why most guys until they have been in the league for 10+ years don't really see much when it comes to endorsements. What good is it to sign somebody to an endorsement if in 5 years they begin to be forgotten. This is why a guy like Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan can make so much in endorsements in they have some staying power because of the likely hood they will be around for years.


So again when only 1 guy is making over $10 million in endorsements it is not impossible for another guy to get there but stats say it is unlikely. Wilson has a nice start with winning the Super Bowl at such a young age but we have seen guys do that before to only fade away so we shall see what happens.


I'm not one of those people that says it is impossible just very unlikely. Plus you have to think by the time Wilson signs his next contract most likely at best he would be up to Drew Brees type Endorsement money. So if Wilson is thinking long term to actually buy a franchise someday he will be thinking about how much money he will need to make that dream come true.


Also yes I did read the whole article and yes about his marketability. I understand that. It is why even though some Seahawk fans can be so annoying that I still like the guy. He has that ability. Again though the article does point towards Super Bowl winning quarterbacks then getting 9-figure incomes when their contract comes up. Considering the last Super Bowl winner Joe Flacco got a 6-year $120 million contract and most consider Wilson better that has to be the starting point for negotiations.

 

[WizardHawk]

First of all, Peyton also owns a few businesses and presumably if money is that important to Wilson he might do something similar. It is more than just endorsements they can earn off the field. I believe Peyton owns some pizza franchises or something? I think that $12m/yr doesn't include that.

Second, I said I think Wilson has more potential. That is just my opinion. An opinion that clearly you don't agree with. Can't we just leave it at that?

As for how long until he gets past those Brees/Rodgers/etc money, I think it could be in the next year or so. Peyton's light is fading and there is zero doubt on that. Not that he is being dropped today by any of his companies, but you know they are all looking to who's next. Those second tier guys you mention are second tier for a reason. None of them are younger emerging players building up. They are what they are. So who else is coming in to be that face of the NFL? Kaepernick? Netwon? Maybe Luck? Wilson is cashing in already because it's sexy to be in Seattle right now with what's happening on the field AND he is a damn good guy. He is something companies can and will latch onto because of both of those. And they already are.

Now both of us have shared those opinions and unless you'd like to find something I actually said that is false I see no reason to keep on with another 10 pages over it. Especially since this is a thread about Kaepernick and his stupid antics over his salary desires. I read somewhere today that he is scoffing at the idea of 18m and is looking more like 20+. There is still plenty of meat in this story to hold up this thread. What impact it might have on Wilson and what Wilson's motivation will be when his talks open up next year should probably be in a different place.

 

[cdumler7]

So then back to the original question. Kaepernick seeking $18-20 million honestly shouldn't surprise anybody. If you look at the guys who are considered "Franchise" quarterbacks (pretty much I define that as a guy you could see starting for you team for the next 5-10 years) that have gotten deals the last 2 years they have all pretty much been in that $18-24 million range. So it all comes down to do the 49ers see Kaepernick being that guy moving forward? If so then well that is not just the base line of what it takes to keep a guy now a days. Just like 4-5 years ago around $15 million was that target price for anybody with that title. My guess is in 4-5 years $18-24 million will seem like a bargain for a franchise quarterback.