So 7th to 13th in your example is considered competitive? This is a team that has no competition rivalry wise in Oregon, Idaho, Alaska and obviously WA. They market to all these places plus Vancouver BC. They have their own network. They should be Top 5 every non rebuild year (and I laugh at that term). No excuses other than what fans make for them.I don’t understand where this the Mariners don’t spend comes from? Their last competitive window from 2015-2019 they were anywhere from 8-13th in payroll in all of baseball. I’ve always thought they would spend money they were just poor at where they put their money. Before that from 2001-2010 they anywhere from 7th-13th in payroll.