Job security for Bruce Allen?

[Stymietee]

Amid multiple reports that Washington is about to sign Scot McCloughin, the question has come up a time or two as to the future of Bruce Allen. Depending on how this plays out.......Allen maintaining final say or giving it up, Allen could very well end up with the most secure job outside of ownership. If he keeps the title of GM and with it final say over player personnel, then with it comes the very real possibility that his dismissal is a season or two away. Giving up that title leaves him with responsibilities such as cap specialist and special events coordinator. Sounds like a demotion? Well, not if consider real short term risks with the former vs. an elongated stint that carries very little risk in the latter.

 

[j_y19]

Sty, there are plenty of teams that have an owner, a President of Ops and a separate GM. You just need to look up 95 at the ravens as an example. Or at the team that McGlougan was has GM of. In fact, most teams have this set up in their executive staff.

Ravens have owner Biscotti, President Cass and GM Newsome.

 

[skinsdad62]

sty , wont be happy until allen is drug off in chains for whatever reason

he got what he wanted allen booted upstairs , and a real GM in charge, perhaps the best one around

but that isnt enough , god forbid anyone would have to acknowledge that snyder , allen finally got it and made the moves needed to unscrew this team

allen is out of player evaluation and is back in his element and we got the best talent man available

what power he carries and his job security is of no consequence as far as allen goes

 

[j_y19]

sty , wont be happy until allen is drug off in chains for whatever reason

he got what he wanted allen booted upstairs , and a real GM in charge, perhaps the best one around

but that isnt enough , god forbid anyone would have to acknowledge that snyder , allen finally got it and made the moves needed to unscrew this team

allen is out of player evaluation and is back in his element and we got the best talent man available

what power he carries and his job security is of no consequence as far as allen goes

It baffles me what his vendetta is with Allen, but I suspect it has something to do with the name thing.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty, there are plenty of teams that have an owner, a President of Ops and a separate GM. You just need to look up 95 at the ravens as an example. Or at the team that McGlougan was has GM of. In fact, most teams have this set up in their executive staff.

Ravens have owner Biscotti, President Cass and GM Newsome.

sty , wont be happy until allen is drug off in chains for whatever reason

he got what he wanted allen booted upstairs , and a real GM in charge, perhaps the best one around

but that isnt enough , god forbid anyone would have to acknowledge that snyder , allen finally got it and made the moves needed to unscrew this team

allen is out of player evaluation and is back in his element and we got the best talent man available

what power he carries and his job security is of no consequence as far as allen goes

It baffles me what his vendetta is with Allen, but I suspect it has something to do with the name thing.

Whether Bruce Allen decided to give up his power or was forced to is not at issue here. There are questions, that come as a result of this move whether either of you are willing to acknowledge them or not. The very first related to Allen has to be what happens to him now?

Before I proceed, it must be pointed out that almost to a person the consensus has been that he is a "yes" man for DS. A closer look tells us that he has virtually done nothing to advance the winning cause of this team except cede his powers so that others pay the price for failure, all the while keeping the titles that anywhere else would have put his head on the chopping block.

So, it's good ole' stymie that has an agenda against this guy huh? Seems to me that the bigger question is why don't you feel a need to stand against the very person who's enabled this farce to continue?

So, where does that leave us? Bruce going into a role that he's better suited for and a new hire that should have been made easily prior to both 3-13 and 4-12 campaigns. Something that I've been calling for years now. This and the persistent questions about Mr. "Yes" man....despite your protestations, means that with this hire there comes great joy to Washington Football fans and your best response to a question related to the chief source of your long suffering is not to keep the focus on completely assuring or ridding the team of the any remaining cancers but,............... let's attack the messenger!!! (I'll explain the cancer risks upon request)

BTW: the thread was more about his skillful manner in covering his ass than anything else. J_Y no disrespect, but the name is gonna change whether you like it or not. Personally, I don't and haven't spent a whole lot of time on it because it's just a matter of time. Maybe it's my position that irks you more than you're willing to admit. You don't seem to have an issue bringing it up from time to time. Feel better?

 

[j_y19]

Whether Bruce Allen decided to give up his power or was forced to is not at issue here. There are questions, that come as a result of this move whether either of you are willing to acknowledge them or not. The very first related to Allen has to be what happens to him now?

Before I proceed, it must be pointed out that almost to a person the consensus has been that he is a "yes" man for DS. A closer look tells us that he has virtually done nothing to advance the winning cause of this team except cede his powers so that others pay the price for failure, all the while keeping the titles that anywhere else would have put his head on the chopping block.

So, it's good ole' stymie that has an agenda against this guy huh? Seems to me that the bigger question is why don't you feel a need to stand against the very person who's enabled this farce to continue?

So, where does that leave us? Bruce going into a role that he's better suited for and a new hire that should have been made easily prior to both 3-13 and 4-12 campaigns. Something that I've been calling for years now. This and the persistent questions about Mr. "Yes" man....despite your protestations, means that with this hire there comes great joy to Washington Football fans and your best response to a question related to the chief source of your long suffering is not to keep the focus on completely assuring or ridding the team of the any remaining cancers but,............... let's attack the messenger!!! (I'll explain the cancer risks upon request)

BTW: the thread was more about his skillful manner in covering his ass than anything else. J_Y no disrespect, but the name is gonna change whether you like it or not. Personally, I don't and haven't spent a whole lot of time on it because it's just a matter of time. Maybe it's my position that irks you more than you're willing to admit. You don't seem to have an issue bringing it up from time to time. Feel better?

Is he a yes man? Potentially. Has he done no good with this team? I won't go that far. He has done very well in managing a difficult cap situation and handling contracts. I have no idea how he does in managing he non football ops of the franchise.

As for the name change, are you aware of my position? I would be surprised if you are since I rarely engage in those discussions. But I do know yours. It is a topic you are passionate about and I've seen you post negative remarks before about Allen and him being the front man for the franchise in keeping the name. Hence my suspicion. By no means did I say it was a fact.

 

[Stymietee]

Is he a yes man? Potentially. Has he done no good with this team? I won't go that far. He has done very well in managing a difficult cap situation and handling contracts. I have no idea how he does in managing he non football ops of the franchise.

As for the name change, are you aware of my position? I would be surprised if you are since I rarely engage in those discussions.

Well...yeah, I'll give you that, we are winning off of the field, but was it not he that was intimately responsible for creating that whole cap penalty set up? (yeah, yeah, I know that we were wronged by the league)

I'll go back and research your position on the name change just to refresh my memory, but in the meantime, remember that I was responding to your suspected charge relating to my motives.

Of course I've posted negative remarks about him....why not?.....the guy is a pretender to competency that has in large measure been responsible for the collective angst that happens nearly every Sunday during the NFL season

 

[j_y19]

Well...yeah, I'll give you that, we are winning off of the field, but was it not he that was intimately responsible for creating that whole cap penalty set up? (yeah, yeah, I know that we were wronged by the league)

I'll go back and research your position on the name change just to refresh my memory, but in the meantime, remember that I was responding to your suspected charge relating to my motives.

Of course I've posted negative remarks about him....why not?.....the guy is a pretender to competency that has in large measure been responsible for the collective angst that happens nearly every Sunday during the NFL season

You know, its interesting......I actually don't necessarily disagree with you. I just don't understand why he is your focus in some many of these topics. It just seems that you have some sort of personal issue with him. He is just one of many that have underperformed for this franchise over the last 15 years.

 

[Sharkinva]

You know, its interesting......I actually don't necessarily disagree with you. I just don't understand why he is your focus in some many of these topics. It just seems that you have some sort of personal issue with him. He is just one of many that have underperformed for this franchise over the last 15 years.

Sins of the father complex maybe?? Bruce was around and a Ball boy during the JKC era when last the name debate came up. And his father was an avid dont change the name guy. Bruce has the same stance.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty, I am guessing you celebrated or observed two significant events in native peoples history lately.

 

[Stymietee]

You know, its interesting......I actually don't necessarily disagree with you. I just don't understand why he is your focus in some many of these topics. It just seems that you have some sort of personal issue with him. He is just one of many that have underperformed for this franchise over the last 15 years.

I have no more of an issue with him than the press did as they grilled him during his presser. As has been noted, DS is not going anywhere, so to me, he's the next man up. So, here are questions for all of you who felt it necessary to point fingers at the effect and ignore the cause.

1. Beyond correcting his own fuck up relating to the salary cap penalty, what has he done leading up to the end of that presser that helped us win on the field?

2. Who was responsible for drafting RGIII? or hiring the Shanahans? (remember he could have insisted otherwise)

3. Who at almost every turn usurped his authority in favor of the security in not being responsible for failure.

4. Who told us after the 3-13 season that the buck stops with him and dysfunction stops beginning with his take-over of things? (see #3)

5. Who gave us Breeland, possibly Murphy and little else in an off-season that insisted on bolstering both our OL and safeties?

6. Who didn't stand up for his own job title? (GM)

7. What title carries the responsibility of evaluating the front offices, the team, HC, and coaching staff then in conjunction with his HC or in relief of him make the appropriate changes in order that winning happens on the field? Who's held that title since 2009?

These are but a few that quickly come to mind, but let me end on this note:

8. At the end of that 44-17 drubbing at the hands of the most hated rival here in DC, how many of you actually said/thought that it couldn't get worse........then realized how wrong you were after that 45 minute press conference?

Notice.....nothing about Daddy Allen, nor his other idiot son. Nothing about dragging him out in chains everything focused on him. Why? because cancer metastasizes and is never cured by removing it from where it has spread while never touching the source.

Go ahead.........ask me about that cancer!!

 

[TCB]

Falcons announced a similar org structure today with Pioli taking full control of football related stuff while reporting to Demitrof.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty, I am guessing you celebrated or observed two significant events in native peoples history lately.

It is as big an insult to celebrate NAHD as it is to celebrate BHM, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or any other that's been based on lies, disinformation, deceit, greed and character assassination. So, NO!

 

[Sportster 72]

It is as big an insult to celebrate NAHD as it is to celebrate BHM, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or any other that's been based on lies, disinformation, deceit, greed and character assassination. So, NO!

NAHD huh? I was referring to Wounded Knee and the 38 man mass hanging by Lincoln. I am glad you picked up the cause, even if you aren't sure what it is. A better cause would be to help with many of issues experienced on reservations today. But he'll, what do I know.

 

[Stymietee]

NAHD huh? I was referring to Wounded Knee and the 38 man mass hanging by Lincoln. I am glad you picked up the cause, even if you aren't sure what it is. A better cause would be to help with many of issues experienced on reservations today. But he'll, what do I know.

Who celebrates genocide? Careful, you might come up with an answer that is uncomfortable. Besides, everyone says the same thing about what a better cause should be, and yet, it's 2015 and all that's happening is that same talk.

 

[Sportster 72]

Who celebrates genocide? Careful, you might come up with an answer that is uncomfortable. Besides, everyone says the same thing about what a better cause should be, and yet, it's 2015 and all that's happening is that same talk.

Sty my friend you seem to only read what you want to hear or you try to twist what I say. My comment was "celebrate or observed." So shoot me for saying celebrate, poor choice of words and I caught myself and included "observed." Obviously no one celebrates genocide although Mr. Lincoln sure did support it.

See Sty I do do something about the matter. I believe most people others who are complaining are just focusing on the name and not the real plight of native peoples. If you are doing something to help American Indians I applaud you, if not then I would tend to think you are just another person playing political games. Of course political games is what led to those two events I mentioned.

Anyhow the clamour for a change quieted more and more with each loss. Hopefully the new GM can get everyone ticked off again.

 

[skinsdad62]

people see what they want to see is all i can say .

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Lol. Sounds like somebody here has a serious desire to play the part of a drama queen. Jeez - this team just made some major changes that almost everyone believes are positive yet somehow certain folks feel the need to turn at least some of this into a negative. All I can is whatever. Too funny.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am all in like I was when Gibbs came back and Shanahan was hired. I am excited to see what our new GM does and I hope it works.

 

[Stymietee]

people see what they want to see is all i can say .

Lol. Sounds like somebody here has a serious desire to play the part of a drama queen. Jeez - this team just made some major changes that almost everyone believes are positive yet somehow certain folks feel the need to turn at least some of this into a negative. All I can is whatever. Too funny.

I am all in like I was when Gibbs came back and Shanahan was hired. I am excited to see what our new GM does and I hope it works.

Dad the other side of that coin is that people chose NOT to see what pains them.

SoCal it is unhealthy to continue make assumptions about the future, especially the future of a football franchise that has in effect systematically insulted its' loyal fan base time after time. Yes there were 2 moves that by all accounts were positives. I personally have been calling for the Allen demotion for years, but that does not mean that.........well.........read Sportster's comment (above). Until this franchise proves itself I'm not all in for anything. After all, how many times can a fan base get excited about a program that constantly disappoints them? Skepticism being the natural offspring of failure.