gohusk
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He never had great speed and he's definitely lost a step. He can do well with a really good pass rush.
If he doesn't get a good jam or has help over the top he's toast.
He never had great speed and he's definitely lost a step. He can do well with a really good pass rush.
Like I said in another post (game thread, I think), at some point we should give a little credit to Spagnolo's halftime adjustments and the Chiefs defense as well. The were able to at least control the run game better.Fans ignore this. They just see they averaged 6+ ypc so assume it's a given they get the first down.
You are correct. And the majority of their runs went for 0-2 yards. do that and you leave JG needing to pass. Not a good situation for him.
It is mostly on a drive where they could have nearly run the clock out. 1st down - 5 yards. Then they pas and pass again when nearly anyone could tell you that you run the ball on 2nd and 10 in that situation. Even a 2 yard gain keeps the clock running and you have 3rd and 3.why do you ignore the majority of their runs were for 0-2 yards (or less)?
I mean, if he doesn't overthrow Sanders on one pass play at the end, the whole narrative is reversed. JG is a Super Bowl MVP, Shanahan is a young genius, Andy Reid can't win the big games, etc. Sports are funny that wayIF reports are true, Belichick did all he could to keep Jimmy G and move on from Brady. That would have to count for something.
Jimmy is pretty good, but Kaepernick played a lot better in the Super Bowl. People build narratives on Super Bowl performance, so maybe Jimmy's behind Kaepernick as a Niner QB until he can get back to the Super Bowl and play better.
Mike Person is a great story. He gives you all that he can, but it just doesn't seem like he's all that talented. Otherwise he wouldn't bounce around the league like he has.
In the defense of the Niners D, I think that things were tilted in favor of the offense in this game. For example, I don't think there was a single holding call the entire game. Obviously, it's even, so I can't complain, but I just think that the Niners D shouldn't be judged too harshly. The 4th quarter blown lead had a lot more to do with the Niners offense not coming through.
"Top QB in the NFL" you said. Just last week, you're sucking his dick because his team's in the Super Bowl- despite horrible playoff numbers. In the end, there's not enough data to say if Jimmy G. is a better QB for SF than Colin Kaepernick. It did take a while for analysts to claim Kaepernick was a good QB though (and even longer to admit that he might've been overrated). Similarly, both guys had capable supporting casts on offense and a strong defense though.
[/QUOTE]Held KC to 10 points in the first half. Picked KC off twice, sometimes scoring points off the turnover, almost recovered a fumble from Mahomes too. Defenses get tired as games go on. But Jimmy G. was not good; his picks looked Favre-esque in how reckless the throws were. Blaming the HC for stupid throws of the QB is more than a little unfair. I know you want to defend sunk cost, but a Trent Dilfer-like QB generally isn't going to be the hero. Jimmy G. didn't put his team in a situation to win. Putting all the blame on Shanahan is also disingenuous; the QB can call timeouts too.
I mean, if he doesn't overthrow Sanders on one pass play at the end, the whole narrative is reversed. JG is a Super Bowl MVP, Shanahan is a young genius, Andy Reid can't win the big games, etc. Sports are funny that way
And one of the worst in clutch situations and picks.He didn't have horrible playoffs numbers. He just didn't have much to do before the Super Bowl. He played well, just with limited passing opportunities. A year and a half ago I said he could be a top QB in the NFL. He showed that potential this season, where, as you pointed out last week, he was top 10 in passing yards, completion percentage and TDs.
Said like a true Baltimore fan? And every pick matters. Because it's a lost opportunity.The SF defense didn't score their points. The offense did. Jimmy G was very good for 3 quarters. He was 18/21 for something like 180 yards at one point. The only pick he threw that mattered was his first, and they recovered from that fine.
Blaming Jimmy G's shortcomings on Mahomes being good, is a pretty piss-poor excuse.The SF defense played well for 3 quarters, but they blew it much more than Garoppolo did in the fourth. It's a little disingenuous to make excuses for them but not for Garoppolo. Jimmy G didn't lose them this game. He didn't put the team on his back and win it for them at the end either. He was a good QB who had his team in position to win. Unfortunately for them, Mahomes was on the other side and did what he seems to always do.
Unless it comes out that Garoppolo is not allowed to change plays or call time-outs, then Shanahan only deserves a limited amount of blame. This offense was described as "balanced" or even run-heavy, so having a QB not screw up is the chief mission.As I said, in order of responsibility for KC's win: Mahomes, SF D, Shanahan, Jimmy G.
Uh huh. As if I'm the only person calling out Garoppolo for sub-par play or comparing him to Trent Dilfer. Professional analysts are doing it.The fact that you still claim Garoppolo is "dilfer like" disqualifies your opinion as worth anything. Dilfer was a subpar-bad QB. Garoppolo is a good-very good QB. To pretend they're of equal value is one of the stupidest things you've ever said, which is saying a lot.
As a Colts fan, I'd still trade Brissett for JG in a heartbeat.And one of the worst in clutch situations and picks.
Said like a true Baltimore fan? And every pick matters. Because it's a lost opportunity.
Blaming Jimmy G's shortcomings on Mahomes being good, is a pretty piss-poor excuse.
Unless it comes out that Garoppolo is not allowed to change plays or call time-outs, then Shanahan only deserves a limited amount of blame. This offense was described as "balanced" or even run-heavy, so having a QB not screw up is the chief mission.
Uh huh. As if I'm the only person calling out Garoppolo for sub-par play or comparing him to Trent Dilfer. Professional analysts are doing it.
History will note that SF was probably not a powerhouse team. They had a padded regular season, though won in the playoffs early on. Some QBs have the ability to put their team on their back and win in big situations. I'd expect a "Top-12" kinda guy to be able to do that.
Yeah, well, you and every Colts fan, probably. I can think of few situations more sucky than having your big, dumb, ugly, facial hair-challenged QB announce his retirement 1 week before the start of the regular season.As a Colts fan, I'd still trade Brissett for JG in a heartbeat.
Next year is going to be interesting. The niners were shot out of a cannon this year. They will not be taking anyone by surprise next year. I like what Shanahan is doing as a coach. Most of their big plays come off misdirection schemes. That can work in small doses, but good teams eventually catch on. The biggest problem for the niners going forward is the division is only getting better.
-Rams have a very talented team and coach. I think Goff is the same as JG. He can be good when there is no pressure but struggles otherwise.
-Seattle was right there the entire time and their team had injuries all over the place.
-The Cards are only going to get better. They gave the niners all they could handle in both games last year.
Also, the Cards and Sehawks have a ton of cap space while the niners and rams have next to none.
The niners will be the favorite to win the NFC west next year, but it wouldn't surprise me if they finished 2nd, 3rd or even last.
Gonna be a fun ride.
He didn't have horrible playoffs numbers. He just didn't have much to do before the Super Bowl. He played well, just with limited passing opportunities. A year and a half ago I said he could be a top QB in the NFL. He showed that potential this season, where, as you pointed out last week, he was top 10 in passing yards, completion percentage and TDs.
That really isn't true.
49ers vs. Chiefs - Play-By-Play - February 2, 2020 - ESPN
1st series after the Niners had a 20-10 lead to start the 4th quarter.
Run, short pass to Kittle(incomplete), run, pass, penalty, pass, pass, punt. He started with runs and safe passes.
Chiefs get the ball and score in 2:40 seconds. It's now a 3 point game with 6 minutes left.
Next drive is perhaps the one you can criticize but I think hindsight is in play here. Niners series. Run, short pass(incomplete), short pass(incomplete).
Chiefs get the ball again and march down and score in 2:26.
Now time matters and they can't just run the ball. They have to score a TD.
So that one series you could, perhaps, argue that they should have run on 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 5. But throwing the Kittle has been their bread and butter all season. JG simply couldn't hit him.
What people sometimes forget is that teams react to what the other team is doing. The Chiefs were loading up the line and challenging the Niners to throw.
I think it is a huge assumption to believe that the Niners would be able to kill an entire quarter running the ball.
The niners will be the favorite to win the NFC west next year, but it wouldn't surprise me if they finished 2nd, 3rd or even last.
Gonna be a fun ride.
In your own analysis they ran the ball three times in those two drives and passed it six it really should have been the other way around. Shanahan got pass happy in the 4th quarter when he didn't have to.
Yeah, you certainly can build a narrative on a SB performance...Joe Namath did...but generally speaking would be their playoff performances overall. Jimmy G, is still a very young QB from an experience standpoint. You'd like to think there is some growth yet to be tapped there.
D...I still feel the same way about the SF DEF...very good, not great. They did better than yeomen's work against Mahomes and the KC OFC for 3 Qtrs.
They didn't win the Super Bowl, so people won't think of them as great. If their offense would've helped them in the 4th quarter and the Niners win, there could be talk of them being great, as they would've finished off an impressive playoff run. They did look shaky down the stretch of the regular season, however.
I'm trying to think of defenses that didn't win the Super Bowl, but are considered great. I consider those Eagles defenses with Reggie White great, but I'm not sure how much recognition they get. Maybe the Dome Patrol Saints. Purple People Eater Vikings.
And one of the worst in clutch situations and picks.
Said like a true Baltimore fan? And every pick matters. Because it's a lost opportunity.
Blaming Jimmy G's shortcomings on Mahomes being good, is a pretty piss-poor excuse.
Unless it comes out that Garoppolo is not allowed to change plays or call time-outs, then Shanahan only deserves a limited amount of blame. This offense was described as "balanced" or even run-heavy, so having a QB not screw up is the chief mission.
Uh huh. As if I'm the only person calling out Garoppolo for sub-par play or comparing him to Trent Dilfer. Professional analysts are doing it.
History will note that SF was probably not a powerhouse team. They had a padded regular season, though won in the playoffs early on. Some QBs have the ability to put their team on their back and win in big situations. I'd expect a "Top-12" kinda guy to be able to do that.